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Posted: 1/20/2019 3:38:03 PM EDT
These were some M193 that were in a sealed bag I bought about a decade ago. Most of them were good and the rest had mild corrosion that cleaned up in the tumbler.
The bullets in the pics below are ones I segregated. Thanks. 
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Posted: 1/20/2019 3:44:59 PM EDT
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Throw them in the tumbler and try them out
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Posted: 1/20/2019 3:48:26 PM EDT
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Throw them in the tumbler and try them out |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 3:51:57 PM EDT
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Soak them overnight in dawn dish washing liquid and Lemi-Brite.
then re-tumble. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 4:00:52 PM EDT
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Soak them overnight in dawn dish washing liquid and Lemi-Brite. then re-tumble. I can try that. Hope it works, because the corrosion is pretty bad. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 5:58:05 PM EDT
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Being that these are just M193 bullets, there a lot of quick aggressive dip type copper solvents that you could use to pre-clean the bullet via just short term soaking, then wet tumble them in the end to make sure that the quick cleaning copper solvent have been removed from the bullets before they are loaded.
The quick copper solvent may end up making the copper jackets on the bullets a touch more brittle, but since they are just FMC bullets, not going to cause a problem with there performance. As for storing the bullet long term again, once cleaned/solvent nutrualized, then dry tumble them with Nu shine in the media, which will lightly wax coat the bullet so the do not tarnish as quickly again. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 6:42:52 PM EDT
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Ketchup/Catsup, whatever... is often used to clean copper cooking pots. It's worth trying on a bullet or two to see if it works.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 7:18:34 PM EDT
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Ketchup/Catsup, whatever... is often used to clean copper cooking pots. It's worth trying on a bullet or two to see if it works. Thanks for the suggestion |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 7:24:40 PM EDT
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Been soaking them in Dawn for a couple of hours already.
So far, I don't notice any of the corission coming off. I'll let it continue overnight and throughout the day tomorrow. After work, I'll rinse them off and throw them in the dry tumbler again. I'll let it tumble in the Walnut Media for 3-4 hours and see what happens. I'll report back tomorrow. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 7:59:06 PM EDT
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I dropped a bunch I had like that into my pin tumbler and the came out great!
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Posted: 1/20/2019 8:04:58 PM EDT
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Actually I decided to try something different.
I rinsed off the bullets because I don't think the Dawn by itself is going to do much. I don't have lemi bright. I'm now soaking the bullets in white vinegar with salt. https://youtu.be/KJwgikMyi1Y I'm actually seeing results already. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 9:01:17 PM EDT
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Holy Shit. They are 75-80% clean after soaking for 30 minutes.
 The remaining oxidation is now green colored. I'm going to let them soak for another hour. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 9:18:25 PM EDT
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yes vinegar. I used to soak penny’s as a kid
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Posted: 1/20/2019 9:24:49 PM EDT
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I was going to say lemi shine but no, throw that shit away.
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Posted: 1/20/2019 9:27:12 PM EDT
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yes vinegar. I used to soak penny’s as a kid I've read that you could use vinegar and baking soda too. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 9:27:55 PM EDT
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I was going to say lemi shine but no, throw that shit away. The bullets are cleaning up nicely. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 10:59:52 PM EDT
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This is after 1 hour in the tumbler. The vinegar/salt soak took the overwhelming vast majority of the corrosion off nicely ..but it also took the shine off too. At least I feel better about using them now. |
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Posted: 1/20/2019 11:03:52 PM EDT
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Before
After
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Posted: 1/20/2019 11:25:23 PM EDT
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I’m sure with the right stuff in the tumbler, those bullets could be shiny again. Either way, they will make great plinking bullets.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 12:16:45 AM EDT
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Lemi shine works great, it's just citric acid.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 7:20:03 AM EDT
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Send them to me for proper disposal.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:38:38 AM EDT
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Good job ! Now you can toss them in the tumbler to finish cleaning and shine 'em up a little.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 12:24:33 PM EDT
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Apple vinegar is the solvent found in ketchup. I read that moonshiners used it to clean their stills.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 1:15:58 PM EDT
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Good job ! Now you can toss them in the tumbler to finish cleaning and shine 'em up a little. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 1:43:07 PM EDT
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I wonder if the jacket has been compromised in any way that could possibly lead to a separation when fired?
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Posted: 1/21/2019 4:05:51 PM EDT
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Ketchup/Catsup, whatever... is often used to clean copper cooking pots. It's worth trying on a bullet or two to see if it works. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 4:07:40 PM EDT
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Been soaking them in Dawn for a couple of hours already. So far, I don't notice any of the corission coming off. FWIW the corrosion doesn't "come off." Corrosion is a chemical reaction and the acid simply reverses the corrosion reaction. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 8:59:16 PM EDT
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FWIW the corrosion doesn't "come off." Corrosion is a chemical reaction and the acid simply reverses the corrosion reaction.
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Posted: 1/21/2019 9:50:26 PM EDT
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Wet tumbling with pins would have been another route.
I personally don't like non-typical chemistry with reloading, particularly things that have an affect on copper based alloys. Leads to questions like: I wonder what that chemical does to brass? Or to Gunpowder? Or my barrel? I'm sure they were rinsed when done, but things have a way of sticking in pores and crevices. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:10:00 PM EDT
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Soap is basic. To reverse the corrosion you will need an acidic compound. FWIW the corrosion doesn't "come off." Corrosion is a chemical reaction and the acid simply reverses the corrosion reaction. That being said, if you do a quick Google Search, you will get many hits on the " removing" of corrosion. https://www.google.com/search?q=removing+corrosion&oq=removing+corrosion&aqs=chrome..69i57.6932j0j7&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 Coming off is just another way of saying removing.. Removing, reversing, cleaning, coming off etc.....Semantics. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:28:53 PM EDT
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Ketchup will be slightly acidic. If that is what you are looking for, vinegar would be simpler and cleaner to use. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 10:46:46 PM EDT
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If you like what you used that's great but lemi shine is bar none the best for brass casings and copper bullet jackets. I don't know how the costs compare but.......
Motor ETA: I should say chemically bar none. Wet tumbler with the little SS pins would probably be best overall. |
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Posted: 1/21/2019 11:27:14 PM EDT
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner!!!! It's SO NICE to see wisdom injected into threads like this. Thank you so much kind sir! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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FWIW the corrosion doesn't "come off." Corrosion is a chemical reaction and the acid simply reverses the corrosion reaction. Yes you are chemically changing it and removing it from the base metal it once was. Or as with wet tumbler with stainless steel pins you are actually removing it with abrasion. Motor |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 12:22:35 AM EDT
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I don't know where you are going with this but to suggest in some way that you can turn corroded material back into its former form is ridiculous. |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 3:20:43 AM EDT
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Now that the corrosion is off, if you want to put some shine back on them, tumble them in walnut shell.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 4:45:26 AM EDT
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OK, not to get too technical here but in any chemical reaction, products and reactants typically exist in the same space and they come to some sort of equilibrium. At that point, the rate at which the reactants come together to make products AND the rate at which the "products" react to form "reactants" are the same... if you add something to the mix, you can push or pull the equilibrium to a different "position" favoring products or reactants (depends on what you add and how much of it you add)... So if you oxidize copper, you get copper oxide(s)... it you reduce copper oxide you get elemental copper and an oxidizer... it isn't always that "clean" but sometimes it is... think of the silver polishing solutions that you just dip black sterling silver into and watch it turn back to a beautiful silver color in seconds right before your eyes... you could think of it like "reverse" oxidation because that is basically what it is!... Rust on iron based metal is just one example. Motor |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 10:07:41 AM EDT
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The original statement wasn't so specific. In my opinion it was too broad and easily misunderstood. This may apply to specific materials but certainly not all. Rust on iron based metal is just one example. Motor Cheers! - R - |
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Posted: 1/22/2019 11:23:38 AM EDT
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Time to end this thread as it is off topic and OP has clean bullets he can use.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 11:23:53 AM EDT
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