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Posted: 5/19/2020 10:19:30 AM EDT
This was my dad’s WW2 “prize”. German Nazi occupation production 6.35mm (.25 ACP) pocket pistol, 1944.
 Oddly enough, he recovered it in Okinawa where he served in the Navy Seabees in WW2. It was a backup pistol carried by a Japanese officer.  |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 12:39:16 AM EDT
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That officer might have spent some time in Europe pre war.
Nice pocket pistol! |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 2:44:57 PM EDT
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A prewar stint in Germany wouldn't have helped him acquire a pistol that was reportedly produced in 1944.
But there are a number of routes by which this late war German pistol could have made it into a Japanese officer's hands. There were some Japanese submarines that made trips to German territory throughout the war, with the last trip being in March 1944. It could have been acquired during that last trip. There were also a fair number of German submarines that made trips to Japanese territory, including several that based themselves out of Japanese naval bases for operations in the Pacific/Indian Ocean. A small number of these vessels were even seized and operated by the Japanese after the German capitulation. The pistol could have belonged to a crewmember of one of these German ships that made its way to Japanese territory in 1944/1945, and come into Japanese hands through trade or capture. And there was a small amount of personnel transit between Germany and Japan throughout the war, by diplomatic couriers, embassy staff transfers, military attaches, etc. It could have been brought from Germany to Japan by one of these in 1944/1945. |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 3:04:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RogueJSK: A prewar stint in Germany wouldn't have helped him acquire a pistol that was reportedly produced in 1944. But there are a number of routes by which this late war German pistol could have made it into a Japanese officer's hands. There were some Japanese submariner that made trips to German territory throughout the war, with the last trip being in March 1944. It could have been acquired during that last trip. There were also a fair number of German submarines, surface raiders, and supply ships that made trips to Japanese territory, including several that based themselves out of Japanese naval bases for operations in the Pacific/Indian Ocean. A small number of these vessels were even seized and operated by the Japanese after the German capitulation. The pistol could have belonged to a crewmember of one of these German vessels that made its way to Japanese territory in 1944/1945, and come into Japanese hands through trade or capture. And there was a small amount of personnel transit between Germany and Japan throughout the war, by diplomatic couriers, embassy staff transfers, military attaches, etc. It could have been brought from Germany to Japan by one of these in 1944/1945. Good food for thought. Thank you. It’s definitely CZ Nazi occupation production recovered on Okinawa shortly after they went ashore. My dad thought it was such an oddity he held on to it all these years. Glad he did. The Japanese officer obviously had some sort of German Nazi connection. My dad is 93 and still with us. Very vivid memory of the Kamakazi attacks on his transport ship and Zero attacks on their construction crews clearing roads through jungle and building airfields, the occasional sniper activity near the edges of their work perimeter. They would crawl under their bulldozers during the air attacks, sleep under them at night. So much for being a non-combatant. He did carry an M1 Carbine with him on the ‘dozer. Sorry for the digression. I did fire it a couple times with modern .25 ACP FMJ. Accuracy was horrible at 7 yards. No sights, just a groove down the center of the slide. These things are purely for last resort point-blank use. Push it into the body and fire sort of thing.  |
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Posted: 5/20/2020 8:19:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2020 12:15:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is mine. They are essentially Baby Brownings. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333347/C031AD89-C068-4D77-B502-6BCF8301FDFD_jpe-1425649.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/333347/B688F62A-E0CE-4CE1-80BE-D87114616173_jpe-1425656.JPG Yours appears to be in better condition, fewer casting/forging flaws. Nazi weapons got pretty shoddy doward the end. |
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Posted: 5/22/2020 3:25:13 PM EDT
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Yours look to be more like pitting that flaws in the metal. Most of these came to the US as bring backs. No telling how many hands our pistols passed through before we got them. Mine functions well with factory ammo. Frankly, it would seem to be pretty useless as a side arm. However, a large number of firearm deaths in the US are from .25 pistols. Hoodie gets shot and then ignores it because he's tough. Five days later they rush him to the hospital where he dies from sepsis.
"Shot of Friday, and dead on Thursday," is a saying with validity. |
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Posted: 6/12/2020 6:15:22 PM EDT
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Mine is 43 dated.
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