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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2021 5:54:47 PM EDT
[#1]
7.62 guns still fucked up?
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2021 7:03:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JK-919: 7.62 guns still fucked up? Mine runs good. I haven’t had a single FTE. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 1/28/2021 9:28:01 PM EDT
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Cz still doesnt have a fix, Hbi spring and cleaning the ejector channel have done wonders in getting mine to run reliably. (My ejector channel had lots of metal shavings that prevented the plunger from compressing correctly and thus would bind). Only 200 rounds in after cleaning the ejector channel but all have been trouble free both suppressed and unsuppressed.
The difference in ejection was night and day after cleaning the channel as well. I know sweet5ltr has had really good success with his gun and these same changes. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2021 10:03:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Sweet5ltr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tfdarchos: Cz still doesnt have a fix, Hbi spring and cleaning the ejector channel have done wonders in getting mine to run reliably. (My ejector channel had lots of metal shavings that prevented the plunger from compressing correctly and thus would bind). Only 200 rounds in after cleaning the ejector channel but all have been trouble free both suppressed and unsuppressed. The difference in ejection was night and day after cleaning the channel as well. I know sweet5ltr has had really good success with his gun and these same changes. You're absolutely correct. I've ran over 1,200 rounds after this with (0) FTE's in my 11" Bren 2S. If the ejector is binding due to debris in the channel, it will FTE - regardless if the (must have IMHO) HBI recoil spring & gas port service is done. This is a QC issue that likely involves hundreds of Bren 2 bolts in 7.62x39, but of course, no one at CZ-USA cares to mention it or has spare bolts to do anything about it for owners. CZ-USA has yet to send back one functional Bren 2, they aren't even trying, its beyond insulting at this point for customers who requested warranty repairs in this volatile environment. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2021 11:28:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: apocalypserisin]
[#5]
Finally got an answer back from CZ the other day, pretty much told me they are just sitting with thumbs in asses waiting for CZ-UB to come up with an answer. Not sure how what HBI and others have found/come up with factor into this. Wouldn't be surprised if my gun ends up with CZ for a year or over at this rate.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2021 11:48:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By apocalypserisin: Finally got an answer back from CZ the other day, pretty much told me they are just sitting with thumbs in asses waiting for CZ-UB to come up with an answer. Not sure how what HBI and others have found/come up with factor into this. Wouldn't be surprised if my gun ends up with CZ for a year or over at this rate. Probably time to request it returned, do what we mentioned above, and send it back to CZ-USA once a 'fix' is actually in the country. |
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Posted: 1/29/2021 3:55:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sweet5ltr: Probably time to request it returned, do what we mentioned above, and send it back to CZ-USA once a 'fix' is actually in the country. I don't necessarily disagree. Just be careful not to make any mods that cannot be fully undone. The last thing you want is CZ to decline a warranty fix based on after market mods. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 1/30/2021 10:20:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Kian503]
[#8]
Most recent communication from CZ:
Hello sir Regarding your Bren 2 in 7.62x39, we apologize for any issues you may be experiencing. A small number of pistols have been exhibiting ejection issues, and we’ve been working hand-in-hand with our factory’s design team to make them better digest the wide range of ammo available in the US. In the meantime, we are happy to bring in your pistol. If waiting for the factory’s resolution isn’t your preference, we can issue a refund for your full purchase price or swap you to a Bren 2 Ms in 5.56x45. In either instance, we’d need copies of your original sales receipt. If you choose to do the swap to 5.56, we’d need a copy of the FFL you’d use to do the transfer of the new rifle. Again, apologies for any issues you’re experiencing. Thank you! Blaming the ammo and you already have my pistol. Also if its an ammo issue why is it only affecting a "small number of pistols" that does not make sense. This incompetence is beyond me. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/30/2021 10:32:00 AM EDT
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If they are offering full refunds I would jump at that if I bought one. Better than dealing with customer service or a dust collector vapor ware in the safe
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OR, USA
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Posted: 1/30/2021 12:58:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kian503]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JKF204: If they are offering full refunds I would jump at that if I bought one. Better than dealing with customer service or a dust collector vapor ware in the safe I feel you friend but due to grandpa Biden taking the Oval office and threatening future imports I do not think its going to become "Vapor ware". |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/31/2021 1:07:33 AM EDT
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Only reason I haven't refunded it is because I got the 2S. If I had the 2MS I woulda gotten a refund months ago.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/31/2021 9:21:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By apocalypserisin: Only reason I haven't refunded it is because I got the 2S. If I had the 2MS I woulda gotten a refund months ago. What length x39 barrel do you have? |
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Posted: 2/1/2021 8:25:48 AM EDT
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Anyone else producing Mil style pic rails for the MS? I've seen the Preston ones, and they leave a lot to be desired.
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Posted: 2/1/2021 9:27:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MagnusActual]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LIONHART: Anyone else producing Mil style pic rails for the MS? I've seen the Preston ones, and they leave a lot to be desired. Not that I'm aware. The Preston Precision rails are actually nicely machined and fit snug. It's the hardware they use that's less than desired. I installed them with Torx button head screws, after getting the measurements and Nord-Lock washers that I ordered online.  Attached File |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2021 2:14:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AKSU]
[#15]
Installed my rails I got from the Czech Republic today. Still running like a sewing machine after another 500 rounds of Golden Tiger.
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Posted: 2/1/2021 7:51:00 PM EDT
[#16]
As of this moment, Greg Cote has the black x39 mags in stock
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MD, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2021 7:52:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnny_Longslide: Not that I'm aware. The Preston Precision rails are actually nicely machined and fit snug. It's the hardware they use that's less than desired. I installed them with Torx button head screws, after getting the measurements and Nord-Lock washers that I ordered online. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/137230/PPrails_jpg-1805978.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnny_Longslide: Originally Posted By LIONHART: Anyone else producing Mil style pic rails for the MS? I've seen the Preston ones, and they leave a lot to be desired. Not that I'm aware. The Preston Precision rails are actually nicely machined and fit snug. It's the hardware they use that's less than desired. I installed them with Torx button head screws, after getting the measurements and Nord-Lock washers that I ordered online. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/137230/PPrails_jpg-1805978.JPG Could you tell me what bolts you purchased, because I've already stripped one of the bolts that comes with those rails and would like to have backups. Thanks |
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Posted: 2/1/2021 8:17:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MagnusActual]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iLovetheAK47: Could you tell me what bolts you purchased, because I've already stripped one of the bolts that comes with those rails and would like to have backups. Thanks Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iLovetheAK47: Originally Posted By Johnny_Longslide: Originally Posted By LIONHART: Anyone else producing Mil style pic rails for the MS? I've seen the Preston ones, and they leave a lot to be desired. Not that I'm aware. The Preston Precision rails are actually nicely machined and fit snug. It's the hardware they use that's less than desired. I installed them with Torx button head screws, after getting the measurements and Nord-Lock washers that I ordered online. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/137230/PPrails_jpg-1805978.JPG Could you tell me what bolts you purchased, because I've already stripped one of the bolts that comes with those rails and would like to have backups. Thanks So here's the deal on my setup I am using longer Torx screws for the 4 that go into the barrel because I added Nord-Lock washers, just like OEM. This size screw is only for the 4 that go into the barrel. I got them from McMaster-Carr. Black-Oxide Alloy Steel Button Head (T25) Torx PLUS Screws M5 x 0.80 mm Thread, 12mm Long These are the Nord-Lock washers - NLG The 2 screws on the end and the screws for the lower rail are: (No Nord-Lock washers are used) Black-Oxide Alloy Steel Button Head (T25) Torx PLUS Screws M5 x 0.80 mm Thread, 8mm Long Everything is torqued to CZ spec - 70 in/lb |
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Posted: 2/1/2021 8:56:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnny_Longslide: Not that I'm aware. The Preston Precision rails are actually nicely machined and fit snug. It's the hardware they use that's less than desired. I installed them with Torx button head screws, after getting the measurements and Nord-Lock washers that I ordered online. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/137230/PPrails_jpg-1805978.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnny_Longslide: Originally Posted By LIONHART: Anyone else producing Mil style pic rails for the MS? I've seen the Preston ones, and they leave a lot to be desired. Not that I'm aware. The Preston Precision rails are actually nicely machined and fit snug. It's the hardware they use that's less than desired. I installed them with Torx button head screws, after getting the measurements and Nord-Lock washers that I ordered online. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/137230/PPrails_jpg-1805978.JPG I was referring to the mounting hardware, the hex screws, and the lack of washers. I also see that you posted where you bought your hardware set, and the sizes you purchased. Thanks. Preston should revise their mounting hardware kit with exactly your setup! |
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Posted: 2/1/2021 9:15:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LIONHART: I was referring to the mounting hardware, the hex screws, and the lack of washers. I also see that you posted where you bought your hardware set, and the sizes you purchased. Thanks. Preston should revise their mounting hardware kit with exactly your setup! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LIONHART: Originally Posted By Johnny_Longslide: Originally Posted By LIONHART: Anyone else producing Mil style pic rails for the MS? I've seen the Preston ones, and they leave a lot to be desired. Not that I'm aware. The Preston Precision rails are actually nicely machined and fit snug. It's the hardware they use that's less than desired. I installed them with Torx button head screws, after getting the measurements and Nord-Lock washers that I ordered online. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/137230/PPrails_jpg-1805978.JPG I was referring to the mounting hardware, the hex screws, and the lack of washers. I also see that you posted where you bought your hardware set, and the sizes you purchased. Thanks. Preston should revise their mounting hardware kit with exactly your setup! Exactly. The 4 screws for the barrel were my main concern. Their tiny hex at 40 in/lb and no Nord-Lock washers just seemed wholly inadequate... ETA, I see they upped the torque to 60 in/lb... All the rest, I could've just kept using what they sent but I'm ocd. T25 torx works! |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2021 9:44:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mk4dubbin: As of this moment, Greg Cote has the black x39 mags in stock OOS |
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Posted: 2/1/2021 10:07:44 PM EDT
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Local place has the 11" 5.56 version for $1699 plus tax.... tempting, but I really don't need another 556 pistol... or even a 556 gun for that matter... Does the 556 version have any of the issues that we've seen with the 7.62 version?
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Posted: 2/1/2021 10:21:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By loveski5: Local place has the 11" 5.56 version for $1699 plus tax.... tempting, but I really don't need another 556 pistol... or even a 556 gun for that matter... Does the 556 version have any of the issues that we've seen with the 7.62 version?  I need to get a red dot mounted on my shorty.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/1/2021 11:19:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By loveski5: Local place has the 11" 5.56 version for $1699 plus tax.... tempting, but I really don't need another 556 pistol... or even a 556 gun for that matter... Does the 556 version have any of the issues that we've seen with the 7.62 version? The 5.56 guns have been flawless. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2021 11:27:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: iLovetheAK47]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnny_Longslide: So here's the deal on my setup I am using longer Torx screws for the 4 that go into the barrel because I added Nord-Lock washers, just like OEM. This size screw is only for the 4 that go into the barrel. I got them from McMaster-Carr. Black-Oxide Alloy Steel Button Head (T25) Torx PLUS Screws M5 x 0.80 mm Thread, 12mm Long These are the Nord-Lock washers - NLG The 2 screws on the end and the screws for the lower rail are: (No Nord-Lock washers are used) Black-Oxide Alloy Steel Button Head (T25) Torx PLUS Screws M5 x 0.80 mm Thread, 8mm Long Everything is torqued to CZ spec - 70 in/lb Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnny_Longslide: Originally Posted By iLovetheAK47: Originally Posted By Johnny_Longslide: Originally Posted By LIONHART: Anyone else producing Mil style pic rails for the MS? I've seen the Preston ones, and they leave a lot to be desired. Not that I'm aware. The Preston Precision rails are actually nicely machined and fit snug. It's the hardware they use that's less than desired. I installed them with Torx button head screws, after getting the measurements and Nord-Lock washers that I ordered online. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/137230/PPrails_jpg-1805978.JPG Could you tell me what bolts you purchased, because I've already stripped one of the bolts that comes with those rails and would like to have backups. Thanks So here's the deal on my setup I am using longer Torx screws for the 4 that go into the barrel because I added Nord-Lock washers, just like OEM. This size screw is only for the 4 that go into the barrel. I got them from McMaster-Carr. Black-Oxide Alloy Steel Button Head (T25) Torx PLUS Screws M5 x 0.80 mm Thread, 12mm Long These are the Nord-Lock washers - NLG The 2 screws on the end and the screws for the lower rail are: (No Nord-Lock washers are used) Black-Oxide Alloy Steel Button Head (T25) Torx PLUS Screws M5 x 0.80 mm Thread, 8mm Long Everything is torqued to CZ spec - 70 in/lb Thanks broham. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/2/2021 3:26:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnny_Longslide: So here's the deal on my setup I am using longer Torx screws for the 4 that go into the barrel because I added Nord-Lock washers, just like OEM. This size screw is only for the 4 that go into the barrel. I got them from McMaster-Carr. Black-Oxide Alloy Steel Button Head (T25) Torx PLUS Screws M5 x 0.80 mm Thread, 12mm Long These are the Nord-Lock washers - NLG The 2 screws on the end and the screws for the lower rail are: (No Nord-Lock washers are used) Black-Oxide Alloy Steel Button Head (T25) Torx PLUS Screws M5 x 0.80 mm Thread, 8mm Long Everything is torqued to CZ spec - 70 in/lb FYI, the Nord Lock washers and most of the screws are available over the counter at your local Fastenal store. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/2/2021 4:43:20 AM EDT
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Also FYI, over on the Original CZ Forum, Gman86 drilled a series of ever enlarging holes at the 0 position of his gas tube, starting with 0.8mm before he reached the sweet spot of 1.2 - 1.23mm on his 14” x39 Bren - useful information there!
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KS, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2021 11:26:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU: OOS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AKSU: Originally Posted By mk4dubbin: As of this moment, Greg Cote has the black x39 mags in stock OOS I never got my email notification either... |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2021 3:34:07 PM EDT
[#29]
No new updates from CZ? Where's Zack 😂?
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Posted: 2/6/2021 4:40:00 PM EDT
[#30]
I don't know - he might be out sick.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 2/6/2021 7:19:10 PM EDT
[#31]
Well, so much for cleaning out the ejector channel. Took my gun out and had multiple FTE/stovepipes again. I'm honestly done messing with it. I've been having problems since last May, we'll see if CZ can get a fix out before the 1 year mark.
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USA
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Posted: 2/7/2021 10:44:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 04Vermont21]
[#32]
Fuck 7.62 and all its drama . 556 is the way you want to go.. Here is mine.
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FM, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2021 10:48:16 AM EDT
[#33]
Nice sbr
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KY, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2021 12:46:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 04Vermont21: Fuck 7.62 and all its drama . 556 is the way you want to go.. Here is mine. https://imgdump5.novarata.net/erf6oo.jpg While we're on the subject, I need to get mine engraved yet while waiting on my papers. Should I engrave the aluminum upper or the polymer lower? I've done ARs on the lowers before for upper swapability but I don't think this will be a concern for the bren. |
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Posted: 2/8/2021 12:57:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mk4dubbin]
[#35]
Nevermind
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Posted: 2/8/2021 1:10:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 04Vermont21: Fuck 7.62 and all its drama . 556 is the way you want to go.. Here is mine. https://imgdump5.novarata.net/erf6oo.jpg |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 2/8/2021 1:26:11 PM EDT
[#37]
I got mine from czparts.com
Took about 2 1/2 months but waiting and paying $180 ish for one is better than getting one off GB for $400+ imho. |
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Posted: 2/8/2021 1:31:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By richiemfmead: I got mine from czparts.com Took about 2 1/2 months but waiting and paying $180 ish for one is better than getting one off GB for $400+ imho. Thanks! |
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Posted: 2/8/2021 2:12:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 04Vermont21: Fuck 7.62 and all its drama . 556 is the way you want to go.. Here is mine. https://imgdump5.novarata.net/erf6oo.jpg What a beautiful pdw. |
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Posted: 2/8/2021 6:21:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MagnusActual]
[#40]
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Posted: 2/9/2021 4:50:07 PM EDT
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If I had the money...
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SC, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 6:15:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AKSU]
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Posted: 2/9/2021 6:15:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 04Vermont21: Fuck 7.62 and all its drama . 556 is the way you want to go.. Here is mine. https://imgdump5.novarata.net/erf6oo.jpg 
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Posted: 2/9/2021 11:17:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JamesJones]
[#44]
Falling in love with my scar 17 I recently purchased. I love my ARs but it's just fun shooting the different piston platform. I am really debating grabbing a 16 but if these things run well (in 556) I think I'd get more bang for my buck grabbing a bren instead.
I'm definitely going to be on the lookout for one rather than a MPX or scar in 556. These things seem like a blast and I need something different. Getting back into the AK platform just seems like it's too much to figure out and I'd love to stay with what I have as far as mags and ammo. If these are well under 2k and work I'm thinking I should be on the lookout. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 9:15:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By richiemfmead: While we're on the subject, I need to get mine engraved yet while waiting on my papers. Should I engrave the aluminum upper or the polymer lower? I've done ARs on the lowers before for upper swapability but I don't think this will be a concern for the bren. Unlike the AR, the Upper on the Bren is the receiver, so you would need to place your engraving on the Upper Receiver. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 9:19:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By richiemfmead: I got mine from czparts.com Took about 2 1/2 months but waiting and paying $180 ish for one is better than getting one off GB for $400+ imho. It appears you can order regardless if they are in-stock or not. Did you order it while it was in-stock, or did you just place your order and wait until they came it? |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 9:22:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By richiemfmead: I got mine from czparts.com Took about 2 1/2 months but waiting and paying $180 ish for one is better than getting one off GB for $400+ imho. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 9:38:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Czparts.com doesn't sell CZ parts. I need to find the correct website. Its www.cz-parts.com |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 11:09:35 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flthy_McNsty: Unlike the AR, the Upper on the Bren is the receiver, so you would need to place your engraving on the Upper Receiver. or engrave the barrel. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 12:05:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jaqufrost: Sexy! Where did you get the stock? Like others have said https://www.cz-parts.com/cz-bren-2-stock-complete-37s-a I ordered one about three weeks ago and it arrived in just over one week. When I ordered mine it was $155 plus $25 shipping. Very reasonable. I see now that the stock is currently out of stock as of 2/10 but the price has jumped to $195 plus shipping, which is the same price as the carbine stock. Not happy with the price increase but it's still reasonable considering the possibility that if biden cuts off foreign imports of gun parts as he is threatening, it might not be available at all in the future. Whether the stock is in stock or not, you can still order it and it will be shipped when it is available, which seems to be pretty regularly. |
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