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Posted: 1/13/2019 10:25:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: CZ official statement on FB wrt any potential plans for a semi version: "BR is & will be LE only." Go figure. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 10:28:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Starvin:
I'm pretty sure CZ said the same thing about the BREN 2 back in the day. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Starvin:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: CZ official statement on FB wrt any potential plans for a semi version: "BR is & will be LE only." Go figure. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2019 10:57:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Starvin:
I'm pretty sure CZ said the same thing about the BREN 2 back in the day. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Starvin:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: CZ official statement on FB wrt any potential plans for a semi version: "BR is & will be LE only." Go figure. 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2019 8:08:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: India303]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
The 100 is (was?) already being mfg domestically, so that's been a done deal. It's now just seemingly being abandoned. The 200 could've potentially been mfg here also, but that idea seems to be a nonstarter. Czech Republic has been a NATO member since '99, so CZ is in a similar political situation to Beretta, & is choosing an assertive business approach. Maybe that's just what it simply boils down to: respective differences in internal company culture & business strategy, Beretta being rather more conservative. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By India303:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
I still think the ARX is a great all around execution, despite a couple of design eccentricities. Unfortunately, Beretta opts to sit in a corner while CZ continues to come out swinging. Someone wants the business, while someone else is seemingly throwing the towel. Sad, but true. IWI and CZ will sell to whomever they like and they are quite aggressive in moving their guns. IWI has really sold lots of Tavors and X95 to countries formerly toting AKs. Looks like CZ is trying the same thing. Don't be shocked in ten years almost every shithole will have a new gun, a Tavor, Bren or AR, M16/4. Czech Republic has been a NATO member since '99, so CZ is in a similar political situation to Beretta, & is choosing an assertive business approach. Maybe that's just what it simply boils down to: respective differences in internal company culture & business strategy, Beretta being rather more conservative. Somerimes it's handy to use a middle man country while achieving some diplomatic goals. This is where a company like CZ fits the bill. I brought up in GD that the AK is obsolete. What I meant by that is it's out of date. Most of the 3rd world crap holes had what was once Soviet block country made AKs. Only a few still make AKs but the big political push to flood the world with AKs is no longer doing so. Its long overdue for a new gun. I honestly don't think it will be a AK vs AR world any more. It will go back to like it was before WW2, mostly the same type of guns but by a handful of countries. Im convinced SCAR, Bren ,or another like aluminum monolithic frame. China has a Norinco that comes close to it and I'm positive Russia is close to unveil one. Why not? They come out with yet another T something tank every other year make 12 of them and repeat Theylll have a Bren 805 or hk433 knock off |
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USA
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Posted: 1/14/2019 6:37:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By India303:
NATO doesn't have that much say. Italy, Germany, France, England and others have strict exportation of firearms like our ITAR, but that has nothing to do with NATO. Somerimes it's handy to use a middle man country while achieving some diplomatic goals. This is where a company like CZ fits the bill. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2019 12:28:46 PM EDT
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I'm interested in what a conversion kit will cost to. Make it 762x39
But I'm more interested in a 308. Ill buy the bren2 in 556. But I'm not sure which one. II already have a bren 1 I won't be selling. |
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Posted: 1/15/2019 4:31:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
CZ official statement on FB wrt any potential plans for a semi version: "BR is & will be LE only." Go figure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Originally Posted By thehun06:
No 308 BREN for us this year :( I am personally going to wait on the BREN 2 until CZ releases all the accessories and such for it...right now the config I am interested in is the 8" with a SB PDW stock... Go figure. |
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Posted: 1/15/2019 4:48:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: CZ official statement on FB wrt any potential plans for a semi version: "BR is & will be LE only." Go figure. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/17/2019 11:58:17 AM EDT
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Anyone have more than a 1000 rounds through their bren 2 pistol? Hows it holding up? Any failures or concerns about wear thats showing? Thanks for the info! Have a good one
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GU, USA
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Posted: 1/17/2019 11:07:23 PM EDT
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Not sure if ya seen this article, been out for a while. But designated 807 in article..... Seems to be the same firearm we have here but in pistol format
http://www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=3439 |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2019 12:23:05 PM EDT
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That is a great article thank you!
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2019 1:56:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff:
Anyone have more than a 1000 rounds through their bren 2 pistol? Hows it holding up? Any failures or concerns about wear thats showing? Thanks for the info! Have a good one Not a single hiccup |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2019 3:11:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech: I have maybe 700. Not a single hiccup |
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Posted: 1/18/2019 6:42:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar671:
Not sure if ya seen this article, been out for a while. But designated 807 in article..... Seems to be the same firearm we have here but in pistol format http://www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=3439 |
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USA
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Posted: 1/22/2019 4:09:39 AM EDT
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So is the Bren 2 going to be offered in carbine format, or just as a pistol? The site currently only lists pistols.
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Posted: 1/22/2019 10:06:33 AM EDT
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I shot my 805 pistol with brace the other day for the first time in a little while.... and had forgotten just how unbelievably shootable that thing is even compared to ARs. It's like cheat codes.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2019 3:47:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
So is the Bren 2 going to be offered in carbine format, or just as a pistol? The site currently only lists pistols. I hope it's not another year before we can get a Bren 2 rifle. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/22/2019 5:59:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff:
Nice! Which version do you have? 5.56 or 762x39? What barrel length? not sure what version of the bren 2 I'll get. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/23/2019 7:30:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Starvin:
I came here to post the same question. There appears to be a rifle gap with the discontinuation of the Bren 805 and the stand-up of the (possibly) pistol only Bren 2. I hope it's not another year before we can get a Bren 2 rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Starvin:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
So is the Bren 2 going to be offered in carbine format, or just as a pistol? The site currently only lists pistols. I hope it's not another year before we can get a Bren 2 rifle. |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 12:30:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff:
Nice! Which version do you have? 5.56 or 762x39? What barrel length? |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2019 4:58:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mk4dubbin: Do you shoot mostly steel case in your x39? |
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Posted: 1/25/2019 10:55:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mk4dubbin]
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Well, I just became way cooler than I used to be. Thats probably not saying much, but at least now I'm in love.
 It's not the barrel length I wanted, or even the caliber, but I'm so happy to have it. I can't believe how light it is. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 5:50:12 AM EDT
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Good because the barrel length and caliber can be changed out when the parts become available.
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Posted: 1/26/2019 9:15:51 AM EDT
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Yep, that's why I wasn't terribly concerned about it
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Posted: 1/26/2019 11:19:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dissident]
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That is awesome. I just fail to understand why CZ is going to go and remove the lightening cuts and change the hand guard. I sort of understand wanting modularity on the hand guard but what heck on doing away with the cuts...isn’t lighter always better?
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Posted: 1/26/2019 2:39:00 PM EDT
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Has there been any Bren 2 news from SHOT?
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 3:16:11 PM EDT
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The 7,62x39 takes CZ mags and not AKmags?
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 3:17:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mk4dubbin:
Has there been any Bren 2 news from SHOT? |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 3:37:03 PM EDT
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Since it looks like we won't be getting the rifle version anytime soon, I was curious what the regulations- if any- are to turn a pistol into a rifle.
Could I just take the 14" pistol, and pin and weld a 2" muzzle brake on it, put a stock on it and have myself a rifle? Or isn't it that simple? |
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USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 3:38:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cookyray:
Since it looks like we won't be getting the rifle version anytime soon, I was curious what the regulations- if any- are to turn a pistol into a rifle. Could I just take the 14" pistol, and pin and weld a 2" muzzle brake on it, put a stock on it and have myself a rifle? Or isn't it that simple? |
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USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 3:42:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident:
That is awesome. I just fail to understand why CZ is going to go and remove the lightening cuts and change the hand guard. I sort of understand wanting modularity on the hand guard but what heck on doing away with the cuts...isn’t lighter always better? The receiver cut omissions, I assume, are to make it simpler to manufacture and hit the sub $1500 price target. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 3:56:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cryo_tech:
The 7,62x39 takes CZ mags and not AKmags? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2019 10:56:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BNZ]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CaribouLou45: The hand guard change doesn’t make sense to me as we could have lengthened the hand guard via the receiver screws aka SCAR rails mounting. It looks hideous what they are proposing, plus they didn’t even lengthen it lol in stock form. The receiver cut omissions, I assume, are to make it simpler to manufacture and hit the sub $1500 price target. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 11:31:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TURRICAN]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mk4dubbin:
Well, I just became way cooler than I used to be. Thats probably not saying much, but at least now I'm in love. https://i.imgur.com/SGGRWEi.jpg It's not the barrel length I wanted, or even the caliber, but I'm so happy to have it. I can't believe how light it is. |
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Posted: 1/26/2019 11:35:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident:
That is awesome. I just fail to understand why CZ is going to go and remove the lightening cuts and change the hand guard. I sort of understand wanting modularity on the hand guard but what heck on doing away with the cuts...isn’t lighter always better? |
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USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 11:01:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BNZ: Where did the $1500 come from? if you don't mind me asking.... I watched youtube for the CZ/ bren/ Bullpup kit at Shot Show 2019, and the rep said something like $1799 for Bren 2, and in pistol configuration only for now. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 5:25:07 PM EDT
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Gotta wonder if a 922r conversion kit will be in the pipeline later this yr?
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/27/2019 5:37:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BNZ]
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@CaribouLou45 Thanks for the link. I'll add one of each on the Wish list and see what will happen next.
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Posted: 1/27/2019 8:22:48 PM EDT
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I’m not too worried about 922r at least on the .556 guns. A magazine and flash hider is already 4 parts so it’s close already
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Posted: 1/28/2019 12:58:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TURRICAN:
I’m not too worried about 922r at least on the .556 guns. A magazine and flash hider is already 4 parts so it’s close already |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 6:39:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident:
That is awesome. I just fail to understand why CZ is going to go and remove the lightening cuts and change the hand guard. I sort of understand wanting modularity on the hand guard but what heck on doing away with the cuts...isn't lighter always better? |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 6:53:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Still a pistol without the stock. You know CZ will sell it as part of a kit, if they do at all. Personally, I'd prefer a rifle. |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 6:54:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wiseanhyzer:
The change to the handguard looks awful to me. I loved the original look and it looks chopped up now. 
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Posted: 1/28/2019 2:09:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TURRICAN: That handguard just screams afterthought. At SHOT they said they are already working on 922r kit with stock and everything but didnt have a date when it will be ready. Hopefully they do it different than with the EVO, where a shit ton of people bought them that didn't have an Evo yet or didn't have an approved stamp and a lot of people with approved stamps didn't get one. |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 5:33:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TURRICAN:
Cutting machining steps means cutting costs and everyone knows you have to cut corners for the American market because they want gimmicks like changeable hangaurds on their guns Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TURRICAN:
Originally Posted By Dissident:
That is awesome. I just fail to understand why CZ is going to go and remove the lightening cuts and change the hand guard. I sort of understand wanting modularity on the hand guard but what heck on doing away with the cuts...isn’t lighter always better? |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 6:35:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TURRICAN:
I would rather have the pistol (with original military receiver not the American market version) with an SB tactical brace while I wait for a stock. I don’t trust the politicians or gun manufacturers enough to just hope something I want will eventually be released in a timely fashion. My Bren 2 with 14” barrel and Brace still outperforms all my rifles as is. When I get around to converting it to a rifle I will have the receiver that I wanted Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TURRICAN:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: Still a pistol without the stock. You know CZ will sell it as part of a kit, if they do at all. Personally, I'd prefer a rifle. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/28/2019 8:41:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hking: It isn't as aesthetically pleasing as the military version but I do like that its shorter, lighter, and adds the ability to change it out for other handguards, longer, different attachment methods, etc. At SHOT they said they are already working on 922r kit with stock and everything but didnt have a date when it will be ready. Hopefully they do it different than with the EVO, where a shit ton of people bought them that didn't have an Evo yet or didn't have an approved stamp and a lot of people with approved stamps didn't get one. |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 9:54:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hking: It isn't as aesthetically pleasing as the military version but I do like that its shorter, lighter, and adds the ability to change it out for other handguards, longer, different attachment methods, etc. At SHOT they said they are already working on 922r kit with stock and everything but didnt have a date when it will be ready. Hopefully they do it different than with the EVO, where a shit ton of people bought them that didn't have an Evo yet or didn't have an approved stamp and a lot of people with approved stamps didn't get one. |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 10:02:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident: Preach it!!!! Preach it brother!!!! You will be expecting this:  Attached FileBut they’re gonna give you this:  Attached FileHappens every time. That’s why when I heard that I decided I had to get one of the original 300 |
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Posted: 1/28/2019 11:55:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Good question. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By mk4dubbin:
Has there been any Bren 2 news from SHOT? 
Also, the CZ LE person I talked to, when asked if they would be bringing the .308 to the civilian market, responded with "I hope so given how many different people have asked me that exact same question today." They also confirmed a shipment of Bren 2 factory stocks were on their way to the US to fulfill a LE order. Let's hope a few of those find there way into our hands to complete the factory SBR look. 
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