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Posted: 12/19/2018 2:51:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1888mustang:
As an owner of a 805 SBR, I see either Bren2 as a big step up from mine. I am definitely going to get a Bren 2 when they are available. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2018 10:18:18 AM EDT
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Ive heard nothing but excellent reviews on it. Only negative (kinda) was that he prefered his 805 over it. But hes comparing an 805 rifle to an 8" Bren 2 so im sure alot more muzzle flip than hes used to with his 805. Im elling all my scars now. I just picked up a 14" bren 2 so im loving it now.
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Posted: 12/19/2018 4:13:57 PM EDT
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I can’t see liking the 805 over the Bren2. The 805 is a great rifle but the Bren 2 beats it in every category and I have both.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 12/19/2018 6:53:53 PM EDT
[#4]
My only worry about the bren 2 is the thin barrel it has. My scar 16's have a big accuracy change and point of impact change when the barrel gets hot. Have you noticed that at all while shooting your bren 2?
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UT, USA
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:43:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gonnasellstuff]
[#5]
I picked up a 14" 762×39 bren 2 and took it and my 14" 5.56 bren 2 out and put 500 roundz through each today. All 500 rounds from the 762x39 were silver bear. I had 1 double feed out of all 500 and it is awesome! Super accurate with light recoil. The 5.56 Bren 2 was 210 rounds of xm193, 230 rounds of 62 gr silver bear soft points and 60 rounds of 62 gr fusion msr bonded softpoints. 0 malfunctions and super accurate. 1 1/2" 5 shot groups with nikon m223 3-12 bdc scope. All i can say is wow!!!! Destroys my Scar 16's. Im selling all of them. No weird recoil, reciprocating charging handle and its balanced better and lighter. My only complaint is the wobble in the stock/brace adapter. I will fix that with a shem. No biggie. Man i love these better by far than my scars, m4a1, mk18, sig 556 xi, and so one. Soooooo Sweet!
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Posted: 12/27/2018 11:58:17 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff:
I picked up a 14" 76239 bren 2 and took it and my 14" 5.56 bren 2 out and put 500 roundz through each today. All 500 rounds from the 762x39 were silver bear. I had 1 double feed out of all 500 and it is awesome! Super accurate with light recoil. The 5.56 Bren 2 was 210 rounds of xm193, 230 rounds of 62 gr silver bear soft points and 60 rounds of 62 gr fusion msr bonded softpoints. 0 malfunctions and super accurate. 1 1/2" 5 shot groups with nikon m223 3-12 bdc scope. All i can say is wow!!!! Destroys my Scar 16's. Im selling all of them. No weird recoil, reciprocating charging handle and its balanced better and lighter. My only complaint is the wobble in the stock/brace adapter. I will fix that with a shem. No biggie. Man i love these better by far than my scars, m4a1, mk18, sig 556 xi, and so one. Soooooo Sweet! 
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UT, USA
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:02:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gonnasellstuff]
[#7]
Me and my buddys went to west desert and shot the whole day. Those guns are so fun . And the triggers are awesome. Mostly shot with aimpoint m4s and troy dioptic sights. I had to put a lot of rounfs through them so i could know for sure if i was going to keep and sell my scars. Its a no-brainer after spending the day shooting them. Accuracy still great after heating up barrels.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 12/28/2018 4:37:36 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TURRICAN:
I can’t see liking the 805 over the Bren2. The 805 is a great rifle but the Bren 2 beats it in every category and I have both. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 12/28/2018 5:06:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gonnasellstuff]
[#9]
https://pics.gunbroker.com/GB_Temp/~ah0000000154_0976237000_0000000278.jpg
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Posted: 12/28/2018 10:55:41 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 12/29/2018 8:58:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#11]
I'm coming around to this rifle, but the procedural necessity for removing the barrel is a little off-putting. There's a really good video posted at Mishaco, where he goes through the whole strip down process. Apparently, the Bren 2 requires 9 screws - yes, nine - to be loosened in order to withdraw the barrel. Yes, I know it works. It just seems a bit much when the ARX-100 is so relatively straightforward, & even the .308 ARX-200, which Beretta seems to have no interest in marketing, uses a single, large bolt to retain the barrel. But it is what it is. Skip to 14:10 to see the barrel removal.
9MMbSoCvU18 I have to give Misha credit. This guy has a really interesting channel. He reviews lots of different firearms. The guy is impressive, & does a good job in delivering the narrative without any verbal hemming or hawing. Just straightforward & informative. Also, he was born legally blind. To what degree I can't say, but you would barely know it the way he handles firearms. You can clearly see that he breaks down the entire Bren 2, including the barrel while describing every part of it along the way. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/29/2018 10:57:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
I'm coming around to this rifle, but the procedural necessity for removing the barrel is a little off-putting. There's a really good video posted at Mishaco, where he goes through the whole strip down process. Apparently, the Bren 2 requires 9 screws - yes, nine - to be loosened in order to withdraw the barrel. Yes, I know it works. It just seems a bit much when the ARX-100 is so relatively straightforward, & even the .308 ARX-200, which Beretta seems to have no interest in marketing, uses a single, large bolt to retain the barrel. But it is what it is. Skip to 14:10 to see the barrel removal. 9MMbSoCvU18 I have to give Misha credit. This guy has a really interesting channel. He reviews lots of different firearms. The guy is impressive, & does a good job in delivering the narrative without any verbal hemming or hawing. Just straightforward & informative. Also, he was born legally blind. To what degree I can't say, but you would barely know it the way he handles firearms. You can clearly see that he breaks down the entire Bren 2, including the barrel while describing every part of it along the way. The SCAR has just four, or is it six? |
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USA
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Posted: 12/30/2018 12:14:48 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff: I had no idea that the Bren 2 has nine screws to retain the barrel, is the 805 the same way? The SCAR has just four, or is it six? I also wish Beretta would up its game & just give us 7.62x39 ARX conversion kits & the ARX-200, but a stone doesn't give blood. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 12/30/2018 11:08:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gonnasellstuff]
[#14]
Bottom screws do not have to come out. Only takes 6 screws to pull barrel out. The 3 bottom screws attach only to the barrel and are there only so you can swap out the m lok rail for other types. I can remove the barrel in less than 1 minute. Only thing i dont like about removing barrel comparred to scar is that the screws arent captive like in my scars. But just need to be careful to not lose them.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/30/2018 12:05:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 556Cliff]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff:
Bottom screws do not have to come out. Only takes 6 screws to pull barrel out. The 3 bottom screws attach only to the barrel and are there onl so uo can swap out the m lok rail for other types. I can remobe thd barrel in less than 1 minute. Only thing i dont like about removing barrel comparred to scar is that the screws arent captive like in my scars. But just need to be careful to not lose them. I think that I actually prefer that the screws are completely removable, as they will probably need to be replaced every so often. |
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Posted: 12/30/2018 9:47:59 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Thanks for clearing that up. I think that I actually prefer that the screws are completely removable, as they will probable need to be replaced every so often. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By gonnasellstuff:
Bottom screws do not have to come out. Only takes 6 screws to pull barrel out. The 3 bottom screws attach only to the barrel and are there onl so uo can swap out the m lok rail for other types. I can remobe thd barrel in less than 1 minute. Only thing i dont like about removing barrel comparred to scar is that the screws arent captive like in my scars. But just need to be careful to not lose them. I think that I actually prefer that the screws are completely removable, as they will probable need to be replaced every so often. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 12/30/2018 10:11:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Attaching a rail directly to the barrel seems a bit "shade tree". This is the only aspect of the rifle that gives me pause. But I digress. If it works, it works. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/31/2018 1:57:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
I bet the bottom rail get's pretty hot, just like the SCAR. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 556Cliff:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster: Attaching a rail directly to the barrel seems a bit "shade tree". This is the only aspect of the rifle that gives me pause. But I digress. If it works, it works. EDIT: Actually, if you watch the barrel removal segment in the video link in my prior post, note that the barrel is secured to the upper by 4 torx bolts on the L & R sides through the recriver at the breech. The the aft end of the base rail bolts to the base of the barrel breech & to the bottom of a "bridge" piece on the lower fwd end (just visible at the base of the fore end, below & aft of the gas block); the "bridge" is, in turn, bolted to the fwd segment of the receiver via torx bolts at L & R sides. 
I still think the ARX is a great all around execution, despite a couple of design eccentricities. Unfortunately, Beretta opts to sit in a corner while CZ continues to come out swinging. Someone wants the business, while someone else is seemingly throwing the towel. Sad, but true. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/1/2019 7:15:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gonnasellstuff]
[#19]
CZ will be back to work tomorrow and ill update every one after I speak with them about the indentations on my triggers.
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USA
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Posted: 1/2/2019 3:23:27 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff:
CZ will be back to work tomorrow and ill update every one after I speak with them about the indentations on my triggers. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:48:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: Get some release timeline estimates, if possible. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:53:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gonnasellstuff]
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I just talked to Randal at Cz and this is what he said "Good morning,
Those pictures appear normal and should not cause any functional issue with your firearm. We don’t have any pictures here to show you of the BREN 2 hammers, but attached is one of our Scorpion machine gun hammers that shows it has extreme wear even after many thousand rounds and still continues to function. The relative hardness of the hammer does not have any relation to functionality. Thank you, Randal Technical Support/Gunsmith Rifle Lead CZ-USA He also sent me a picture of a Scorpion trigger that had terrible galling on it and said it is 100% reliable. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2019 12:27:29 PM EDT
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Ive never had this on any of my triggers on any gun. I dont see how this can be reliable. My trigger hammer already has an indentation the shape of the firing pin. Thats after only 500 rounds. Hes the lead gunsmith/tech support guy at cz so Im sure he would know best but im definitely worried about it.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 2:49:00 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff:
Ive never had this on any of my triggers on any gun. I dont see how this can be reliable. My trigger hammer already has an indentation the shape of the firing pin. Thats after only 500 rounds. Hes the lead gunsmith/tech support guy at cz so Im sure he would know best but im definitely worried about it. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2019 3:13:05 PM EDT
[#25]
I talked to cz again and they explained that its peening and that it will stop once the hammer hardens enough where it is contacting the firing pin and that it will be 100% reliable. So I have no worries at all about the triggers on the bren 2. Its a great gun and highly recommend it
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2019 5:47:27 PM EDT
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I just received this email from cz. "Unfortunately we are not aware of any aftermarket accessories that are planned for this model, nor do we have a release date for when we will have the firearms available. We apologize for the delay but if you do have issues we can certainly take care of them within the 5 year warranty period to the original owner."
Not looking good for 2019 carbine release in USA :( |
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GU, USA
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Posted: 1/2/2019 6:19:40 PM EDT
[#27]
not really worried about the hammer, as long as my Bren 2 runs reliably it's all good.
Emailed CZ USA 12-14-18, inquiring if they will be importing the Bren 2 in rifle form Their response...All new products will be announced in first quarter 2019 Hopefully will get more info at shot show |
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Posted: 1/3/2019 1:00:58 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ar671:
not really worried about the hammer, as long as my Bren 2 runs reliably it's all good. Emailed CZ USA 12-14-18, inquiring if they will be importing the Bren 2 in rifle form Their response...All new products will be announced in first quarter 2019 Hopefully will get more info at shot show |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2019 1:41:18 PM EDT
[#29]
I talked with cz rep yesterday and they said they do not have an all metal trigger for the bren 2 and no plans for near future for 1. The Bren 2 trigger is very nice as is. I would love to have an all metal trigger as well. Id like to be able to swap out the grip also. The wobble in the brace/stock adapter needs fixed on the pistol versions. Other than that the gun is amazing as is in my opinion
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Posted: 1/3/2019 11:57:31 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff:
Bottom screws do not have to come out. Only takes 6 screws to pull barrel out. The 3 bottom screws attach only to the barrel and are there only so you can swap out the m lok rail for other types. I can remove the barrel in less than 1 minute. Only thing i dont like about removing barrel comparred to scar is that the screws arent captive like in my scars. But just need to be careful to not lose them. 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2019 4:01:40 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jmftexas:
The polymer fire control group in particular seems like a step backwards from the Bren 1. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/5/2019 6:43:15 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trpclfvr:
There is a bit of wrong information in that video. The Bren 2 trigger shoe is polymer, while the rest is metal. Similar to the setup on the CZ Scorpion EVO3. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Trpclfvr:
Originally Posted By jmftexas:
The polymer fire control group in particular seems like a step backwards from the Bren 1. |
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Posted: 1/9/2019 8:34:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/9/2019 12:28:05 PM EDT
[#34]
Would it be possible to convert the Americanized Bren 2 to the military spec Bren 2?
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VA, USA
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Posted: 1/9/2019 10:08:45 PM EDT
[#35]
So two questions:
Will there be a rifle version? Why are you all removing the barrel? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/9/2019 10:13:11 PM EDT
[#36]
I'm looking hard at the 8" 5.56 and 9" x39.
I wonder how do they compare in size with the B&T APC223? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/9/2019 10:52:04 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By India303:
I'm looking hard at the 8" 5.56 and 9" x39. I wonder how do they compare in size with the B&T APC223? 
SBR 143 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/9/2019 11:01:11 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 59chevy: I know my 14" 806 is lighter than my 8" APC. Size wise they're pretty close to the same, 806may be a touch smaller receiver wise. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4825/45858254372_84f2288a4e_c.jpg SBR 143 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/9/2019 11:30:17 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 59chevy: I know my 14" 806 is lighter than my 8" APC. Size wise they're pretty close to the same, 806may be a touch smaller receiver wise. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4825/45858254372_84f2288a4e_c.jpg SBR 143 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr |
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:17:34 AM EDT
[#40]
The catalogue lists six variants of the BREN 2 MS, with the 8'', 11" and 14" barrel in 5.56mm, and 9", 11", and 14" in 7.62x39mm. All six MSRP is $1799. All military/LE BREN 2s are listed as well, with LE/iMil only where a price tag would go.
I am waiting for the BR variant, not much of an "operator" at my age and weight, so humping this out to a hunting spot and back shouldn't be too much, with carrying a whole host of other goodies. I still shoot my BREN 805, heavy beast, but eats EVERYTHING I feed it without burble, including cast bullet loads. Trigger is phenomenal. However, asn FDE BREN 805, I guess it's a collectors item now, as the 805 is officially discontinued. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2019 3:17:42 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By India303:
Well shoot. That's exactly what I needed to know. How much thinner does the Bren 2 compare to the 805 and does the receiver wall thickness close to being the same or is the 805 receiver metal thicker? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By India303:
Originally Posted By 59chevy: I know my 14" 806 is lighter than my 8" APC. Size wise they're pretty close to the same, 806may be a touch smaller receiver wise. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4825/45858254372_84f2288a4e_c.jpg SBR 143 by TX 556Mav, on Flickr |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:19:28 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonnasellstuff:
If you had to choose 1 which would it be? SCAR 16 OR BREN 2? |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2019 12:42:19 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 59chevy: Right now it would be the Scar just because the Bren 2 still doesn’t enough rounds through it to see how durable it’s gonna be. If the Bren 2 holds up good with no issues it will over take the Scar. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 1/10/2019 11:42:00 PM EDT
[#44]
I noticed the Bren 1 was removed from the list on CZ website after being shown discontinued for a while and now the Bren 2 is showing in its place. Hope they are coming real soon!
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USA
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Posted: 1/12/2019 10:00:24 AM EDT
[#45]
No 308 BREN for us this year :(
I am personally going to wait on the BREN 2 until CZ releases all the accessories and such for it...right now the config I am interested in is the 8" with a SB PDW stock... |
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USA
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Posted: 1/13/2019 2:34:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06:
No 308 BREN for us this year :( I am personally going to wait on the BREN 2 until CZ releases all the accessories and such for it...right now the config I am interested in is the 8" with a SB PDW stock... Go figure. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2019 12:57:31 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster:
I still think the ARX is a great all around execution, despite a couple of design eccentricities. Unfortunately, Beretta opts to sit in a corner while CZ continues to come out swinging. Someone wants the business, while someone else is seemingly throwing the towel. Sad, but true. IWI and CZ will sell to whomever they like and they are quite aggressive in moving their guns. IWI has really sold lots of Tavors and X95 to countries formerly toting AKs. Looks like CZ is trying the same thing. Don't be shocked in ten years almost every shithole will have a new gun, a Tavor, Bren or AR, M16/4. |
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Posted: 1/13/2019 1:23:26 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: CZ official statement on FB wrt any potential plans for a semi version: "BR is & will be LE only." Go figure. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/13/2019 2:43:18 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_Blaster: CZ official statement on FB wrt any potential plans for a semi version: "BR is & will be LE only." Go figure. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/13/2019 10:24:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_Blaster]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By India303:
This may be due of their home country's restrictions from doing business abroad or outside of NATO. I'm sure this is the biggest reason for HK. IWI and CZ will sell to whomever they like and they are quite aggressive in moving their guns. IWI has really sold lots of Tavors and X95 to countries formerly toting AKs. Looks like CZ is trying the same thing. Don't be shocked in ten years almost every shithole will have a new gun, a Tavor, Bren or AR, M16/4. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By India303:
Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
I still think the ARX is a great all around execution, despite a couple of design eccentricities. Unfortunately, Beretta opts to sit in a corner while CZ continues to come out swinging. Someone wants the business, while someone else is seemingly throwing the towel. Sad, but true. IWI and CZ will sell to whomever they like and they are quite aggressive in moving their guns. IWI has really sold lots of Tavors and X95 to countries formerly toting AKs. Looks like CZ is trying the same thing. Don't be shocked in ten years almost every shithole will have a new gun, a Tavor, Bren or AR, M16/4. Czech Republic has been a NATO member since '99, so CZ is in a similar political situation to Beretta, & is choosing an assertive business approach. Maybe that's just what it simply boils down to: respective differences in internal company culture & business strategy, Beretta being rather more conservative. |
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