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Posted: 12/5/2021 7:09:25 PM EDT
[#1]
I like mine
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Posted: 12/5/2021 7:34:21 PM EDT
[#2]
Quoted: Is it really worth.$1000? I haven't seen one but considering they are installing a new barrel and wood with better than typical service grade receiver and parts it seems like a more than fair price. I paid $1200 for a 308 Garand on an H&R receiver not too long ago from a private seller. |
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Posted: 12/5/2021 9:13:44 PM EDT
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Quoted: Is it really worth.$1000? |
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Posted: 12/5/2021 9:37:28 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted: Is it really worth.$1000? Try finding any M1 on Gunbroker less than $1000. |
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Posted: 12/5/2021 9:42:21 PM EDT
[#5]
Yes I paid 1080 for my cmp 308 in 2015
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Posted: 12/5/2021 10:58:32 PM EDT
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Quoted: Is it really worth.$1000? Without a doubt A classic that will last near a lifetime if not abused or neglected ( though they stood up to a Ouse and neglect in combat pretty good) And usually will still shoot well far beyond what most expect barrel life to be. |
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Posted: 12/6/2021 12:22:49 PM EDT
[#7]
Yep. If it's similar to the one I bought 7-8 years ago, it's basically a brand new rifle. Mine had a new barrel and stock, and all the parts looked brand new as well, with no rust or pitting at all.
Shoots great, lots more ammo available than the 30/06 model (just don't use steel case ammo in it - mine had a broken case that I needed my smith to remove), and is a great piece of history. |
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Posted: 12/6/2021 7:36:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it really worth.$1000? Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it really worth.$1000? Without a doubt, yes. Buy it. Quoted: Yes I paid 1080 for my cmp 308 in 2015 Same here. Great M1! |
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Posted: 12/6/2021 8:21:47 PM EDT
[#9]
Is CMP selling more?
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Posted: 12/7/2021 11:55:08 AM EDT
[#10]
My credit card just got charged, so I expect mine to ship shortly.
This will be my first .308, so I don't have any ammo yet. Any recommendations for ammo for this? Anything else I need to buy for it (additional clips?). ETA: Also my first M1. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 10:04:24 PM EDT
[#11]
A decent supply of en bloc clips is always a good idea with an M1.
Any 147-150gr FMJ ammo should work fine in your rifle... Pretty much anything you'd shoot from an M1A/M14. A can or two of M80 ball (LC, IMI, PPU, etc.) would be a good place to start. Various flavors of .308 match ammo would work too. Federal did make (still does?) a 168gr OTM round marketed specifically for the M1A, 168 or 175 FGMM would work, IMI has made some 168gr OTM ammo over the years, ditto for PPU, Berger, and so on. Note that without doing some work the stock fit you're unlikely to see a huge improvement (it ain't a match rifle just yet) but the better bullets (than 147-150 FMJ's) will help a bunch. Handloading opens up even more possibilities. I think .308 M1's are cool. What they lack in "originality" they make up for with better choices/more availability of ammo. Better they're out getting shot than gathering dust, IMHO. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 10:19:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/7/2021 10:30:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My credit card just got charged, so I expect mine to ship shortly. This will be my first .308, so I don't have any ammo yet. Any recommendations for ammo for this? Anything else I need to buy for it (additional clips?). ETA: Also my first M1. |
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Posted: 12/8/2021 10:20:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When did you send off for it? I believe that I put my order in the mailbox on 11/6. I received confirmation from CMP on 11/10. Shipping notice was received on 12/7. I'm expecting delivery today. |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 9:50:45 AM EDT
[#15]
Hope you post some pictures
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Posted: 12/9/2021 11:53:46 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hope you post some pictures Ask and ye shall receive. I'm really happy with it. Now just need to finish the stock, and find some ammo and accessories.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 2:16:28 PM EDT
[#17]
Very nice. They stock looks pretty darn good…..
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Posted: 12/9/2021 2:24:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe that I put my order in the mailbox on 11/6. I received confirmation from CMP on 11/10. Shipping notice was received on 12/7. I'm expecting delivery today. That's impressive. I emailed to ask if they received my packet and they responded with a statement that they are filling orders placed in July. They also didn't confirm my 1911 packet earlier this year. There's got to be a better way for them to do business. |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 7:59:56 PM EDT
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I received my DBU email yesterday for a Field Grade I ordered in July that they received July 15.
The Field Grades appear to be gone and I’m expecting a follow up next week offering an upgrade. If the Expert 308 is available I’m switching. |
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Posted: 12/9/2021 9:32:53 PM EDT
[#20]
It's worth more than 1k.
I personally think M1 Garands should be chambered in .30-06, but that's just me. Circa. 2021 .308 makes more sense simply because M80 ball is much more available. |
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Posted: 12/10/2021 12:07:17 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I received my DBU email yesterday for a Field Grade I ordered in July that they received July 15. The Field Grades appear to be gone and I’m expecting a follow up next week offering an upgrade. If the Expert 308 is available I’m switching. If they offered an upgrade to a service grade, I would jump on that over a expert 308. With the Expert grades going out I would bet there is a better chance you will get a very nice service grade and the service grade is more valuable, collectable and less cost. I ordered a Winchester field grade earlier this year. They ran low and offered a service grade upgrade. I jumped on it and received a SA rebuild with original Winchester barrel and unused since rebuild. One of the nicest rifles I have ever received from CMP. |
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Posted: 12/13/2021 8:48:57 PM EDT
[#22]
What kind of accuracy is everyone getting out of these ?
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Posted: 1/15/2022 9:57:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What kind of accuracy is everyone getting out of these ? |
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Posted: 1/16/2022 12:39:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ask and ye shall receive. I'm really happy with it. Now just need to finish the stock, and find some ammo and accessories. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109479/M1_Garand_In_Case_jpg-2197580.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109479/M1_Garand_Right_Side_jpg-2197581.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109479/M1_Garand_Left_Side_jpg-2197582.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109479/M1_Garand_Receiver_jpg-2197583.JPG Nice. I just sent off for a 30.06 Expert, hopefully it'll look as good as that |
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Posted: 1/16/2022 2:48:05 AM EDT
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M1’s are generally 2-3 moa rifles. The CMP rifles are just parts put together so don’t expect better. However, there is a few things you can do to ensure you are maximizing accuracy with what they send you. The stocks typically need some attention in few areas and the splines can be tightened easily if the gas cylinder is loose.
I have a 308 M1 with an unknown commercial barrel. It shoots much better than that and has no accurizing modifications. The Criterion barrels CMP puts on are very good barrels and will not be the component holding back accuracy. |
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Posted: 1/16/2022 7:19:57 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: M1’s are generally 2-3 moa rifles. The CMP rifles are just parts put together so don’t expect better. However, there is a few things you can do to ensure you are maximizing accuracy with what they send you. The stocks typically need some attention in few areas and the splines can be tightened easily if the gas cylinder is loose. I have a 308 M1 with an unknown commercial barrel. It shoots much better than that and has no accurizing modifications. The Criterion barrels CMP puts on are very good barrels and will not be the component holding back accuracy. Thanks for the info. What’s the fix fo a loose gas cylinder? |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 2:46:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the info. What’s the fix fo a loose gas cylinder? There is a couple things. First, if your gas cylinder slides off the barrel splines without resistance it is loose. Peen the bottom splines a little on the edges. The top right and left splines get peened only on the edge closest to the gas port. When I say peened, it doesn’t mean hammer it to dog shit. You lightly tap a flat faced punch along the edge tangent to the outer radius. You probably won’t see any metal move and it will be enough. This takes all the side to side play out of the sight. It also helps hold the cylinder tighter to the barrel port. The second item is finding a gas lock that will clock to about 5:30 by just finger tight spinning on. This allows it to be tight against the taper on the barrel when fully tightened to 6:00. After peening the barrel splines, install the gas cylinder just short of where it should be. Install the gas lock and use it to push the cylinder until the lock seats on the taper of the barrel at 6:00. Finally, install the gas plug snug. The trick to finding a proper gas lock is finding someone with a drawer full. There is only a handful of people that keep that many around. A tip, don’t ever move the gas cylinder on the splines. If you shoot regularly, once a year pull the gas lock screw, gas lock and op rod and clean the gas cylinder while on the barrel. |
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Posted: 1/18/2022 8:37:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is a couple things. First, if your gas cylinder slides off the barrel splines without resistance it is loose. Peen the bottom splines a little on the edges. The top right and left splines get peened only on the edge closest to the gas port. When I say peened, it doesn’t mean hammer it to dog shit. You lightly tap a flat faced punch along the edge tangent to the outer radius. You probably won’t see any metal move and it will be enough. This takes all the side to side play out of the sight. It also helps hold the cylinder tighter to the barrel port. The second item is finding a gas lock that will clock to about 5:30 by just finger tight spinning on. This allows it to be tight against the taper on the barrel when fully tightened to 6:00. After peening the barrel splines, install the gas cylinder just short of where it should be. Install the gas lock and use it to push the cylinder until the lock seats on the taper of the barrel at 6:00. Finally, install the gas plug snug. The trick to finding a proper gas lock is finding someone with a drawer full. There is only a handful of people that keep that many around. A tip, don’t ever move the gas cylinder on the splines. If you shoot regularly, once a year pull the gas lock screw, gas lock and op rod and clean the gas cylinder while on the barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thanks for the info. What’s the fix fo a loose gas cylinder? There is a couple things. First, if your gas cylinder slides off the barrel splines without resistance it is loose. Peen the bottom splines a little on the edges. The top right and left splines get peened only on the edge closest to the gas port. When I say peened, it doesn’t mean hammer it to dog shit. You lightly tap a flat faced punch along the edge tangent to the outer radius. You probably won’t see any metal move and it will be enough. This takes all the side to side play out of the sight. It also helps hold the cylinder tighter to the barrel port. The second item is finding a gas lock that will clock to about 5:30 by just finger tight spinning on. This allows it to be tight against the taper on the barrel when fully tightened to 6:00. After peening the barrel splines, install the gas cylinder just short of where it should be. Install the gas lock and use it to push the cylinder until the lock seats on the taper of the barrel at 6:00. Finally, install the gas plug snug. The trick to finding a proper gas lock is finding someone with a drawer full. There is only a handful of people that keep that many around. A tip, don’t ever move the gas cylinder on the splines. If you shoot regularly, once a year pull the gas lock screw, gas lock and op rod and clean the gas cylinder while on the barrel. Thanks again, I plan on ordering one of the 308 M1’s that the CMP is currently offering and this is one of the many things I will be checking. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 8:13:34 AM EDT
[#29]
Sent off the paperwork on Monday so now I guess it’s a waiting game.
What kind of.308 ammo is recommended in these rifles? I read on CMPs website that people were having issues with with some of the heavier .30-06 but I didn’t see anything about .308. |
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Posted: 1/26/2022 1:13:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sent off the paperwork on Monday so now I guess it’s a waiting game. What kind of.308 ammo is recommended in these rifles? I read on CMPs website that people were having issues with with some of the heavier .30-06 but I didn’t see anything about .308. M80 ball, 168 grain match, 175 grain match. |
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Posted: 1/29/2022 6:05:19 AM EDT
[#31]
Let's do some math. Shall we.
Clean receivers are now $550-900. Barrels. $200 Op rods. $150 Bolts. $75. You can fill in the small parts and the stock, and the labor of someone to mod a tanker correctly. That is the math. |
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Posted: 1/29/2022 9:32:16 PM EDT
[#32]
Mailed in the order form today for a 308
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Posted: 1/30/2022 2:01:04 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Mailed in the order form today for a 308 |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 8:37:32 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I mailed in on 12/9 ish and received the rifle 1/21. I also had to re-send FFL and notarized form so that certainly added extra time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mailed in the order form today for a 308 That’s not bad at all I was expecting it would take longer. |
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Posted: 2/2/2022 1:23:07 AM EDT
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Do the experts that are currently listed on the cmp site come with the hackberry stocks still or did they ever upgrade to something better?
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Posted: 2/2/2022 11:47:34 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the experts that are currently listed on the cmp site come with the hackberry stocks still or did they ever upgrade to something better? They are new production stocks so they won't be hackberry. Hackberry sticks were put on by the Philippines and were not new by the time the CMP got the rifles. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 9:04:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are new production stocks so they won't be hackberry. Hackberry sticks were put on by the Philippines and were not new by the time the CMP got the rifles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Do the experts that are currently listed on the cmp site come with the hackberry stocks still or did they ever upgrade to something better? They are new production stocks so they won't be hackberry. Hackberry sticks were put on by the Philippines and were not new by the time the CMP got the rifles. I think you are incorrect. The Hackberry stocks were put on by the cmp a few years back. It was before the Phillipino garands arrives. The stocks were not well received by members as they did not look the best. Finish wise. |
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Posted: 2/3/2022 9:45:19 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do the experts that are currently listed on the cmp site come with the hackberry stocks still or did they ever upgrade to something better? CMP stocks that are not explicitly USGI stocks are new production/commercial wood (from Dupage, I believe). |
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Posted: 2/13/2022 2:31:35 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ask and ye shall receive. I'm really happy with it. Now just need to finish the stock, and find some ammo and accessories. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109479/M1_Garand_In_Case_jpg-2197580.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109479/M1_Garand_Right_Side_jpg-2197581.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109479/M1_Garand_Left_Side_jpg-2197582.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109479/M1_Garand_Receiver_jpg-2197583.JPG Looks great! I got mine in about the same time and need to finish my stock as well. What do you plan on using? I don't have much experience in this area. From what I see online, tung oil seems to be the recommendation? |
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Posted: 2/26/2022 11:04:20 AM EDT
[#40]
I had one built on a paki parts gun, sent to huff’s (?) for a
Restore, I liked it. If I wanted another Garand, id buy the like new 308. |
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Posted: 2/27/2022 10:39:12 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I haven't seen one but considering they are installing a new barrel and wood with better than typical service grade receiver and parts it seems like a more than fair price. I paid $1200 for a 308 Garand on an H&R receiver not too long ago from a private seller. One of the "navy" garands done by AMF? |
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Posted: 2/27/2022 10:59:29 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the "navy" garands done by AMF? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I haven't seen one but considering they are installing a new barrel and wood with better than typical service grade receiver and parts it seems like a more than fair price. I paid $1200 for a 308 Garand on an H&R receiver not too long ago from a private seller. One of the "navy" garands done by AMF? CMP, their offering them. I bought one of the .30.06 ones and it's worth a $1000 https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/New-Expert-30-06-Garand-in-the-House/6-533014/ |
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Posted: 2/27/2022 8:14:04 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the "navy" garands done by AMF? CMP sells those in their auctions. You can buy several of these 308 Garands for what those sell for. |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 4:05:55 PM EDT
[#44]
CMP lists the .308 Experts as Sold Out as of 3/8/22
Still list 30-06 Expert as available, but for how long? |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 8:19:56 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: CMP sells those in their auctions. You can buy several of these 308 Garands for what those sell for. They sold a lot of .308 barreled receivers a few years back. A lot of guys built them from those, which is why I asked. |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 8:37:07 AM EDT
[#46]
Is it hard to find 308 enblocs?
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Posted: 3/10/2022 8:43:46 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it hard to find 308 enblocs? No such thing, enblocs are the same for both calibers. |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 8:43:51 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it hard to find 308 enblocs? You want to find ones marked jmo. They work the best with 308 ammo. I may have some if you need a few. |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 9:31:45 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They sold a lot of .308 barreled receivers a few years back. A lot of guys built them from those, which is why I asked. They have been steadily trickling 308 barreled receivers through their auctions lately. They look to be kinda a mix of original USGI conversions and match rifles from the military. Been tempted, then I see what the price they are going for. |
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Posted: 3/14/2022 4:44:50 PM EDT
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Just got an update on my order.
Backordered for a year. Was offered a 30-06 expert. I'm planning on waiting it out. |
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