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Posted: 12/15/2020 4:58:55 PM EDT
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Mossberg had a bullpup pump in 12 gauge, 20" and 18" barrel. It was seen in lots of B movies in the 90's.
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Posted: 12/15/2020 5:01:29 PM EDT
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Black Aces has a newer semi with their name on it, heard good things
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Posted: 12/15/2020 5:07:32 PM EDT
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Did consider a charles daly 410 upper but heck, almost the same price as the bullpup. If I hee haw around, dam thing will be gone as usual. This one has my eye.
https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/257299 |
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Posted: 12/15/2020 5:18:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/15/2020 5:30:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go for a Tavor TS12B. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20201022_164235_jpeg-1732635.JPG Way out of my price range. Looks friggin awesome though. Whatever I get, will be a safe queen until needed. Rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it! |
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Posted: 12/15/2020 5:38:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go for a Tavor TS12B. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20201022_164235_jpeg-1732635.JPG Weak  DP-12 Double Barreled Pump Shotgun |
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Posted: 12/15/2020 5:49:32 PM EDT
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Thats bad ass. WHO sells this monster?
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Posted: 12/15/2020 5:57:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryDP12 would be fun.
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Posted: 12/15/2020 5:58:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/15/2020 6:00:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go for a Tavor TS12B. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20201022_164235_jpeg-1732635.JPG Got one I'll pick up next week. Birthday present to myself. @jaqufrost any tips? |
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Posted: 12/15/2020 6:03:32 PM EDT
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Don't use your fingertip to depress the tube rotation lock. Just slide your hand forward slightly and use the back of your finger. It will unlock faster that way.
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Posted: 12/15/2020 6:14:45 PM EDT
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Well, I jumped before it was gone. Those other ones are sweet but way out of my budget. That russian guy is always cool to watch him fuck stuff up.
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Posted: 12/15/2020 6:43:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go for a Tavor TS12B. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20201022_164235_jpeg-1732635.JPG How many rounds does this hold? |
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Posted: 12/15/2020 7:07:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many rounds does this hold? 15. 3x5. I have not shot mine yet. You might want to look for an RIA VRBP 100. Mine works very well. 
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Posted: 12/15/2020 8:28:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many rounds does this hold? |
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Posted: 12/15/2020 9:13:10 PM EDT
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Sweet. I ordered so am committed with the Charles Daly. Thanks folks for the replies. But if you have more bad ass vids of shotguns blowing shit up, feel free to post em.
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Posted: 12/15/2020 9:45:11 PM EDT
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I just bought the Charles Daly N4S a couple weeks ago, very well made, need the tall riser for the red dot, takes Panzer mags too
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Posted: 12/15/2020 11:02:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just bought the Charles Daly N4S a couple weeks ago, very well made, need the tall riser for the red dot, takes Panzer mags too Thanks for posting. Been searching online for magazines and came across that can use panzer mags. Want to get a few 10 round mags. Thinking a red laser for 25 yards and probably keep the original sites for now. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 3:45:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryI think it would be difficult to overcome muscle memory of 1-shot, 1-pump. Not an issue playing at the range but high stress situation I see great potential for operator error on the DP12. That being said, I'm not familiar with it. If only 1 barrel is fired can it be cycled so the unfired round isn't discarded? That functionality could somewhat justify the different MO. Quoted: 15 3" shells. 15+1 2-3/4" isn't it? 12+1 3". But on that note I don't understand the decision to make it that way. It looks like they had the room to extend the mag tube the extra 1.25" to get five 3" shells in each tube. Seems silly to have not done that. I'm excited to get mine, should be here later this week. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 2:58:52 PM EDT
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Looking online at shotgun ammo just to see if any is out there. I have a good supply but as you know, more is better. HOLY SHIT, over 3 bucks a round on most. They should sell lube with the ammo so when they fuck you buying it, it doesn't hurt so bad!
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Posted: 12/16/2020 3:31:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Looking online at shotgun ammo just to see if any is out there. I have a good supply but as you know, more is better. HOLY SHIT, over 3 bucks a round on most. They should sell lube with the ammo so when they fuck you buying it, it doesn't hurt so bad! You can do better than that on gunbroker. It isn't cheap but it's not $3/rd. I posted 100rds of 12ga slugs for $200 the other day and it sold the same day. My second auction has been up two days, but it will probably sell within the next few days. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 4:09:54 PM EDT
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Just looked at gunbroker. Over 2 bucks a round. Have to find some cheap crap to break in my shotgun when it comes in. Don't want to waste any of my good stuff.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 4:48:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just looked at gunbroker. Over 2 bucks a round. Have to find some cheap crap to break in my shotgun when it comes in. Don't want to waste any of my good stuff. |
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Posted: 12/16/2020 6:57:17 PM EDT
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Glad I bought that Estate buckshot from Midway at $79/250 when they had it a few years ago. Never shoot all of it but it's nice to have put away.
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Posted: 12/16/2020 7:43:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glad I bought that Estate buckshot from Midway at $79/250 when they had it a few years ago. Never shoot all of it but it's nice to have put away. I stocked up on 00 and 000 and slugs back when Obamanation ran for his 1st term. Can't find it now unless you want to pay the RAPE fee! Did see some cheap bird shot available. Once I get a shipping confirmation, will order a bunch to break it in. Anyone know of a red laser that can handle the recoil of a 12 gauge? Have always been Leary of the breach that close to my face while shooting. But will have to sight it in that way. Then use just the laser for POI. |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 9:36:33 AM EDT
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Aimsurplus has 00 for .90 a round
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Posted: 12/17/2020 9:42:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aimsurplus has 00 for .90 a round |
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Posted: 12/17/2020 9:43:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/17/2020 11:55:23 AM EDT
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Never heard of that brand. Any good?
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Posted: 12/18/2020 5:30:35 PM EDT
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FYI, Charles Daly website now has N4S 10 round mags available if you feel uncomfortable ordering Panzer mags.
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Posted: 12/19/2020 12:27:34 PM EDT
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Thanks for the heads up. Just bought a few.
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Posted: 12/19/2020 11:31:42 PM EDT
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I bought a bunch of this Sterling 00 Buck a couple months ago at about the same price and I just bought some more of it.
It is apparent that many other manufacturers are no longer available and the imported brands and labels are some of the only options for many people to buy right now (Russian, Italian and Turkish to name a few) The first batch I got ,arrived and looked very good is well packaged . I like the clear polymer hulls and the shiny pellets with the high bases. Looking forward to eventually "break in" My VR-80 and My Mossberg 930 and this stuff will be just fine I'm sure. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 2:45:09 AM EDT
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Sounds like a few of you are running AR style or Magazine fed shotguns. I was thinking of getting one, but I have heard a lot of people complaining about them not feeding reliably and so got turned off on them. Do any of you guys have issues? I really do like the look of that Charles Daily Bullpup. Is that a good brand?
I have been looking to get a Stoeger M3000 18.5 inch, but if I knew something like these were GTG i might change. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 8:21:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like a few of you are running AR style or Magazine fed shotguns. I was thinking of getting one, but I have heard a lot of people complaining about them not feeding reliably and so got turned off on them. Do any of you guys have issues? I really do like the look of that Charles Daily Bullpup. Is that a good brand? I have been looking to get a Stoeger M3000 18.5 inch, but if I knew something like these were GTG i might change. Charles Daly ,IMHO, is low-end, just above garbage. It can be hard to find parts etc. I'm not saying they are garbage, but they are lower end. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 6:17:08 PM EDT
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Being a gen II, hopefully its better than their past shotguns.
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Posted: 12/20/2020 6:48:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Charles Daly ,IMHO, is low-end, just above garbage. It can be hard to find parts etc. I'm not saying they are garbage, but they are lower end. Technically they are the importer, all of these new shotguns coming out now are made in Turkey, I bought one for 2 reasons: 1 it looked really cool and 2 Biden and his whore are going to ban imports of all of this stuff, ammo, shotguns, rifles and probably pistols. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 7:36:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Technically they are the importer, all of these new shotguns coming out now are made in Turkey, I bought one for 2 reasons: 1 it looked really cool and 2 Biden and his whore are going to ban imports of all of this stuff, ammo, shotguns, rifles and probably pistols. I'm not sure that greatly changes the answer though... they are lower end. I'm not a snob, I have a Steven's 555 O/U that is made in Turkey. I like it. It's definitely no Beretta or Perazzi, but it fits the bill for a workhorse upland bird gun. I also don't have any delusions that it will last over 100k rounds like the aforementioned brands. And the fit and finish is tolerable. |
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Posted: 12/20/2020 7:49:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mossberg had a bullpup pump in 12 gauge, 20" and 18" barrel. It was seen in lots of B movies in the 90's. Just sold one due to people buying anything now |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 4:54:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure that greatly changes the answer though... they are lower end. I'm not a snob, I have a Steven's 555 O/U that is made in Turkey. I like it. It's definitely no Beretta or Perazzi, but it fits the bill for a workhorse upland bird gun. I also don't have any delusions that it will last over 100k rounds like the aforementioned brands. And the fit and finish is tolerable. Not sticking up for the brand, just clarifying it. There are shiploads of firearms coming in from Turkey and from what I've seen they are good quality. Also for what it's worth Chiappa has their name on the shotgun as well, not exactly sure their involvement but I doubt they would have their name on a total POS. |
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Posted: 12/21/2020 5:05:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just sold one due to people buying anything now Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mossberg had a bullpup pump in 12 gauge, 20" and 18" barrel. It was seen in lots of B movies in the 90's. Just sold one due to people buying anything now How much did it sell for? |
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Posted: 12/23/2020 3:46:46 PM EDT
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I have been debating between the KS7(https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/shotguns/ks7/) or the Pro Series Bullpup Pump (https://blackacestactical.com/product/pro-series-bullpup-pump/).
Has anyone had either than can lend an insight? I am slightly leaning toward the Black Aces in order to use mag reloads rather than a tube... |
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Posted: 12/25/2020 12:04:52 PM EDT
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The bullpup shotgun field of offerings is quite large at this time and there are several things to consider when choosing one . Out of all them the Black Aces Tactical Bullpup series offers the most compatibility with mags and drums . The BAT semi auto bullpup also performs with a wider variety of lower power shells once broken in . The also offer a pump action version for those that are looking for a Joe Biden friendly model or in a restricted state .
Black Aces Bullpup Black Aces Bullpup Pump    |
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Posted: 12/25/2020 12:24:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The bullpup shotgun field of offerings is quite large at this time and there are several things to consider when choosing one . Out of all them the Black Aces Tactical Bullpup series offers the most compatibility with mags and drums . The BAT semi auto bullpup also performs with a wider variety of lower power shells once broken in . The also offer a pump action version for those that are looking for a Joe Biden friendly model or in a restricted state . Black Aces Bullpup Black Aces Bullpup Pump https://atlantic-firearms-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/media/sylius_shop_product_original/hosting/Bat%20Bullpup%20Drum%20mag%20%284%20of%204%29.jpg https://atlantic-firearms-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/media/sylius_shop_product_original/product/black-aces-bullpup-pump-shotgun-batbppblk-702706998048.jpg https://atlantic-firearms-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/media/sylius_shop_product_original/product/black-aces-tactical-bullpup-pump-shotgun-bronze-batbppbr-702706998277-18.jpg |
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Posted: 12/26/2020 8:10:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go for a Tavor TS12B. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57761/Resized_20201022_164235_jpeg-1732635.JPG I am ordering one tomorrow. Been following this shotgun since it was announced. Can't wait to get one. I have a Tavor 5.56 and love it. IWI makes some fantastic quality stuff. |
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Posted: 12/26/2020 8:14:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am ordering one tomorrow. Been following this shotgun since it was announced. Can't wait to get one. I have a Tavor 5.56 and love it. IWI makes some fantastic quality stuff. They're getting harder and harder to find for a good price... I bought one from gunbuyer.com a few weeks ago. All gone now. My dad fell in love with it and I had trouble finding him one for a decent price... |
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Posted: 12/27/2020 12:29:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The bullpup shotgun field of offerings is quite large at this time and there are several things to consider when choosing one . Out of all them the Black Aces Tactical Bullpup series offers the most compatibility with mags and drums . The BAT semi auto bullpup also performs with a wider variety of lower power shells once broken in . The also offer a pump action version for those that are looking for a Joe Biden friendly model or in a restricted state . Black Aces Bullpup Black Aces Bullpup Pump https://atlantic-firearms-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/media/sylius_shop_product_original/hosting/Bat%20Bullpup%20Drum%20mag%20%284%20of%204%29.jpg https://atlantic-firearms-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/media/sylius_shop_product_original/product/black-aces-bullpup-pump-shotgun-batbppblk-702706998048.jpg https://atlantic-firearms-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/media/sylius_shop_product_original/product/black-aces-tactical-bullpup-pump-shotgun-bronze-batbppbr-702706998277-18.jpg Is it possible to mount side rails on the BAT pump? |
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Posted: 12/28/2020 1:50:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're getting harder and harder to find for a good price... I bought one from gunbuyer.com a few weeks ago. All gone now. My dad fell in love with it and I had trouble finding him one for a decent price... Have him check Palmetto State Armory. I just bought one from them today and it was still in stock as of 11pm East coast time. |
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Posted: 12/28/2020 3:44:51 AM EDT
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I picked up a TS12 as well. Still haven't shot it yet, waiting to find another Holosun 510 in stock at a decent price. I did pick up a VR80 last spring. I bought a bunch of the 19 round mags and use it as a cheap open shotgun for 3-gun.
My main concern with the flood of Turkish imports is long term support and parts availability from the importer. |
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Posted: 12/28/2020 10:43:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I picked up a TS12 as well. Still haven't shot it yet, waiting to find another Holosun 510 in stock at a decent price. I did pick up a VR80 last spring. I bought a bunch of the 19 round mags and use it as a cheap open shotgun for 3-gun. My main concern with the flood of Turkish imports is long term support and parts availability from the importer. That is what is keeping me from getting one of those. IWI is established here in the states and has a good support record (at least by my few accounts when I needed help in getting parts for my Tavor 5.56). |
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Posted: 12/28/2020 3:06:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have him check Palmetto State Armory. I just bought one from them today and it was still in stock as of 11pm East coast time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Have him check Palmetto State Armory. I just bought one from them today and it was still in stock as of 11pm East coast time. PSA is over $100 more than other places with shipping and tax figured. I found him one that was $1420 OTD (including transfer fee). Quoted: I picked up a TS12 as well. Still haven't shot it yet, waiting to find another Holosun 510 in stock at a decent price. I did pick up a VR80 last spring. I bought a bunch of the 19 round mags and use it as a cheap open shotgun for 3-gun. My main concern with the flood of Turkish imports is long term support and parts availability from the importer. There's a guy in the EE selling some NIB 510s for $288. He gets them in periodically. I was going to buy one then they were all sold before I could work out the details so I bought elsewhere and he PMed asking if I was still buying, said he has more and they come in regularly. I wanted a 512 for my TS12, that was fun to find in stock! |
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