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Posted: 7/9/2022 1:04:33 PM EDT
It's home
 For those of you who might remember I snagged a bubba'd M1 Carbine end of 2021 for a nice price off Gunbroker ($800 bucks before shipping and FFL, $900 total).  What it looked like then 7 months later just back from Fulton Armory for a repark and check over  Now that looks more like a M1 Carbine people The stock is from Numrich.I was worried about the bolt having been jeweled  Before  After. The repark got rid of the "purple haze" trigger group also.  Before  After. No range report yet, of course UPS delivers it on a day it's raining  I'm almost afraid to shoot it it's so nice looking. This is what a Carbine must have looked like day of issue. |
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Posted: 7/9/2022 1:13:26 PM EDT
[#1]
Very nice. I have heard so many good things about Fulton. Keep us posted. My 43 Inland is jealous.
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Posted: 7/9/2022 1:23:09 PM EDT
[#2]
Very nice after reversing the damage previously done.
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Posted: 7/9/2022 1:28:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Very nice. I have heard so many good things about Fulton. Keep us posted. My 43 Inland is jealous. Quoted: Very nice after reversing the damage previously done. The bolt was the biggest worry, I have a spare but wanted to save that in case I need it down the road. Right now part of me says never shoot, it's that nice looking. I've other Carbines anyway so it's not like I can't find one to wear out. I'll sleep on it. I've got to work the next 3 weekends anyway so that helps me a bit there |
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Posted: 7/13/2022 3:07:58 PM EDT
[#4]
Looks like the guy wanted a miniature Weatherby !
You gotta admit - the stock is kinda' "creative" |
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Posted: 8/30/2022 9:54:14 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like the guy wanted a miniature Weatherby ! You gotta admit - the stock is kinda' "creative" Perhaps, in addition to the thumbhole mannlicher stocked version, it was a 1 of 50 special edition the Williams Sight Co made> Definitely a nod to the Weatherby style stocks of the 60s. http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_Williams.html Was it a Plainfield receiver engraved 'One of Fifty"? If so, ironic if you perhaps militarized a more rare, more valuable, sporterized collectible. @DonFlynn |
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Posted: 8/30/2022 11:10:37 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That stock seems to be the Fajen 'Aristocrat'. Perhaps, in addition to the thumbhole mannlicher stocked version, it was a 1 of 50 special edition the Williams Sight Co made> Definitely a nod to the Weatherby style stocks of the 60s. http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_Williams.html Was it a Plainfield receiver engraved 'One of Fifty"? If so, ironic if you perhaps militarized a more rare, more valuable, sporterized collectible. @DonFlynn |
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Posted: 8/30/2022 11:38:52 PM EDT
[#7]
OP, mind telling us how much it ran?
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Posted: 8/31/2022 12:19:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That stock seems to be the Fajen 'Aristocrat'. Perhaps, in addition to the thumbhole mannlicher stocked version, it was a 1 of 50 special edition the Williams Sight Co made> Definitely a nod to the Weatherby style stocks of the 60s. http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_Williams.html Was it a Plainfield receiver engraved 'One of Fifty"? If so, ironic if you perhaps militarized a more rare, more valuable, sporterized collectible. @DonFlynn You’re spot on about the stock, but that link seems to suggest the “1 of 50” rifles were in the thumbhole stock. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 12:21:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, mind telling us how much it ran? The work from Fulton? $502 plus $45 shipping here to them. Add $225 for the new stock (I got what I used in the photo from Numrich for $150 plus shipping and the new metal sling was around $75 bucks from FA. All told I'd say I have $1600-1700 in the gun. About what the going rate for Carbines can run now low end |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 12:22:43 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That stock seems to be the Fajen 'Aristocrat'. Perhaps, in addition to the thumbhole mannlicher stocked version, it was a 1 of 50 special edition the Williams Sight Co made> Definitely a nod to the Weatherby style stocks of the 60s. http://www.m1carbinesinc.com/carbine_Williams.html Was it a Plainfield receiver engraved 'One of Fifty"? If so, ironic if you perhaps militarized a more rare, more valuable, sporterized collectible. @DonFlynn This was a total USGI gun, 1944 Inland |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 12:32:25 AM EDT
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I can't recall the last time I saw one, but sporterized versions used to be pretty common on the gun show scene back when gun shows were fun and you could find cool stuff. Like so many other surplus rifles from the post war period, many of them were rather poorly done, most seemed to be somewhere in the middle but some of them were really nice looking and it was obvious that folks spent a good bit of time and money on them. Other than the purple trigger group I would have been tempted to leave that one as it was if it shot well, just because.
They were fairly popular deer rifles in a lot of places including around here with Remington's 110gr SP rounds being the round of choice, same as it was for a lot of law enforcement agencies that used them. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 12:37:54 AM EDT
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The first stock was better.
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Posted: 8/31/2022 12:46:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The first stock was better. Actually, given the bayonet lug had already been ditched or was never installed, there was no need for an upper handguard on OP's rifle - or the original carbine. Perhaps it kept the mirage down after mag dumps. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 7:10:40 AM EDT
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Quoted: The work from Fulton? $502 plus $45 shipping here to them. Add $225 for the new stock (I got what I used in the photo from Numrich for $150 plus shipping and the new metal sling was around $75 bucks from FA. All told I'd say I have $1600-1700 in the gun. About what the going rate for Carbines can run now low end Quoted: This was a total USGI gun, 1944 Inland You rescued something and returned it to its former glory, and it looks sharp to boot. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 8:47:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The work from Fulton? $502 plus $45 shipping here to them. Add $225 for the new stock (I got what I used in the photo from Numrich for $150 plus shipping and the new metal sling was around $75 bucks from FA. All told I'd say I have $1600-1700 in the gun. About what the going rate for Carbines can run now low end Wait, carbines are going for 1600???? |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 9:26:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, carbines are going for 1600???? Nice ones can. I got a badly sporterized Inland back in 2017 for $500 at a show, market has gone up since then. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 9:39:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: The first stock was better. $50 bucks and shipping it's yours It felt funky when I tried it and with the Carbine being in such nice condition, I had to put it back in USGI configuration. Quoted: Wait, carbines are going for 1600???? Yeap, they've gone through the roof the past couple years. Cheapest I've seen 1 real time was spring 2020, I picked up a "Bavarian" Postal Meter for $1300 that was in very nice shape, I used my Biden Bucks for that "weapon of war" as it were. Bavarian NPM That has a post war "Erma" replacement barrel on it so it's not pure "USGI". Bubba here looks like it has its issue 1944 barrel and gauged a .05, which is damn near new for an original barrel Last gun show I went to the cheapest was $1600 bucks. Average LGS price right now starts the same. I could break even easy if I wanted to but "Bubba" is a safe queen now, I've "shooter" USGI Carbines in the stash  |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 9:41:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice ones can. I got a badly sporterized Inland back in 2017 for $500 at a show, market has gone up since then. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wait, carbines are going for 1600???? Nice ones can. I got a badly sporterized Inland back in 2017 for $500 at a show, market has gone up since then. You keep it like that or restore it ? |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 10:03:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You keep it like that or restore it ? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wait, carbines are going for 1600???? Nice ones can. I got a badly sporterized Inland back in 2017 for $500 at a show, market has gone up since then. You keep it like that or restore it ? Turned it into an IBM w/ mostly Inland parts, gave it to my retired accountant father - I felt he should have an IBM in the house. Someone had badly drilled & tapped the Inland receiver, including taking a chunk out of the forward receiver ring. Passed that on to the carbine collector who helped me move all the parts over to the IBM. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 10:05:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Turned it into an IBM w/ mostly Inland parts, gave it to my retired accountant father - I felt he should have an IBM in the house. Someone had badly drilled & tapped the Inland receiver, including taking a chunk out of the forward receiver ring. Passed that on to the carbine collector who helped me move all the parts over to the IBM. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wait, carbines are going for 1600???? Nice ones can. I got a badly sporterized Inland back in 2017 for $500 at a show, market has gone up since then. You keep it like that or restore it ? Turned it into an IBM w/ mostly Inland parts, gave it to my retired accountant father - I felt he should have an IBM in the house. Someone had badly drilled & tapped the Inland receiver, including taking a chunk out of the forward receiver ring. Passed that on to the carbine collector who helped me move all the parts over to the IBM. Good. drilled receivers are the worst. I know they were cheap in the day but anymore I see a sporterized Carbine I cry |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 10:22:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good. drilled receivers are the worst. I know they were cheap in the day but anymore I see a sporterized Carbine I cry Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wait, carbines are going for 1600???? Nice ones can. I got a badly sporterized Inland back in 2017 for $500 at a show, market has gone up since then. You keep it like that or restore it ? Turned it into an IBM w/ mostly Inland parts, gave it to my retired accountant father - I felt he should have an IBM in the house. Someone had badly drilled & tapped the Inland receiver, including taking a chunk out of the forward receiver ring. Passed that on to the carbine collector who helped me move all the parts over to the IBM. Good. drilled receivers are the worst. I know they were cheap in the day but anymore I see a sporterized Carbine I cry I dunno. I've met carbine collectors who obsess over getting as many factory original parts onto a GI gun, when sometimes that's not likely the way that gun came from the factory. What is often called "Bubba" today was an honest, careful consideration of the cost & benefits of modifying a cheap but capable gun. If it weren't for sporterized mil-surps, the original configuration mil-surps wouldn't be nearly as valuable. If no one had Tapco-fucked SKSs, original SKSs would still be $70 in barrels. My late father-in-law particularly liked the M1917 action for target guns, and he built many long range target guns on those actions, some of which are still competing today. He was no Bubba, but recognized a cheap, well-made action that is still widely available. It's pretty ironic someone paid to have your carbine's bolt carefully jeweled, and then you paid to have it reparked. |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 10:30:04 AM EDT
[#22]
Nice job. Originally though, the bolts left the factory blued rather than parked. Not sure why the did it that way.
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Posted: 8/31/2022 10:54:49 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice job. Originally though, the bolts left the factory blued rather than parked. Not sure why the did it that way. The bolt on this one had been jeweled, I wasn't sure Fulton could save it and figured it would be easier to go with just a repark |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 1:48:02 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: $50 bucks and shipping it's yours It felt funky when I tried it and with the Carbine being in such nice condition, I had to put it back in USGI configuration. Yeap, they've gone through the roof the past couple years. Cheapest I've seen 1 real time was spring 2020, I picked up a "Bavarian" Postal Meter for $1300 that was in very nice shape, I used my Biden Bucks for that "weapon of war" as it were. Bavarian NPM That has a post war "Erma" replacement barrel on it so it's not pure "USGI". Bubba here looks like it has its issue 1944 barrel and gauged a .05, which is damn near new for an original barrel Last gun show I went to the cheapest was $1600 bucks. Average LGS price right now starts the same. I could break even easy if I wanted to but "Bubba" is a safe queen now, I've "shooter" USGI Carbines in the stash https://images14.fotki.com/v1676/photos/9/4114449/16422201/photo3-vi.jpg Why are you so greedy? |
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Posted: 8/31/2022 2:52:31 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you so greedy? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: $50 bucks and shipping it's yours It felt funky when I tried it and with the Carbine being in such nice condition, I had to put it back in USGI configuration. Yeap, they've gone through the roof the past couple years. Cheapest I've seen 1 real time was spring 2020, I picked up a "Bavarian" Postal Meter for $1300 that was in very nice shape, I used my Biden Bucks for that "weapon of war" as it were. Bavarian NPM That has a post war "Erma" replacement barrel on it so it's not pure "USGI". Bubba here looks like it has its issue 1944 barrel and gauged a .05, which is damn near new for an original barrel Last gun show I went to the cheapest was $1600 bucks. Average LGS price right now starts the same. I could break even easy if I wanted to but "Bubba" is a safe queen now, I've "shooter" USGI Carbines in the stash https://images14.fotki.com/v1676/photos/9/4114449/16422201/photo3-vi.jpg Why are you so greedy? Excuse me? Asking for a decent price for an object?. Or do you object to me owning Carbine's? That would be the ultimate in double standards coming from you |
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Posted: 9/3/2022 11:32:15 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Excuse me? Asking for a decent price for an object?. Or do you object to me owning Carbine's? That would be the ultimate in double standards coming from you |
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Posted: 9/8/2022 12:00:11 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't recall the last time I saw one, but sporterized versions used to be pretty common on the gun show scene back when gun shows were fun and you could find cool stuff. Like so many other surplus rifles from the post war period, many of them were rather poorly done, most seemed to be somewhere in the middle but some of them were really nice looking and it was obvious that folks spent a good bit of time and money on them. Other than the purple trigger group I would have been tempted to leave that one as it was if it shot well, just because. They were fairly popular deer rifles in a lot of places including around here with Remington's 110gr SP rounds being the round of choice, same as it was for a lot of law enforcement agencies that used them. Fajen sold a lot of stocks back in the day in fully finished, inletted and semi-inletted form. Many of them went on various surplus weapons, including the M1 Carbine, and they often made very nice firearms, when properly done. For example, I found a Mauser 98 in the early 1980s that had been rebarrelled for 7mm Rem Mag and dropped into a horribly fitted stock. Who ever had bent the bolt handle also ruined the temper on the camming surface of the bolt so it was “sticky”. That’s an example of “very badly done” (although the polish and blue was very well done). But it was a $75 rifle and a great gunsmithing project. I replaced the bolt handle with a new one for $1.99, welded it to the bolt, properly shaped everything, then re-tempered that area of the bolt. I dropped it in a classic style Fajen semi-inletted fancy walnut stock (for around $150 IIRC) and the end result was a very nice custom rifle for $227, plus some time and sweat. That wasn’t bad even in the early 1980s. —— Aside from the bluing tank temp being a little off and the blue going purple a couple decades later (it doesn’t show at the time you do it) on the trigger assembly, that M1 carbine had been very nicely sporterized. I’d have left it alone as a nicely done piece of Americana that was every bit as historically significant as a non messed with surplus M1 carbine. As it is now, the OP has neither one. He’s got a re parked and restocked M1 carbine that he poured a lot of money into, and what he has to show for it is a refinished non original M1 carbine with no character. You can find those every day. |
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Posted: 9/8/2022 12:10:44 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fajen sold a lot of stocks back in the day in fully finished, inletted and semi-inletted form. Many of them went on various surplus weapons, including the M1 Carbine, and they often made very nice firearms, when properly done. For example, I found a Mauser 98 in the early 1980s that had been rebarrelled for 7mm Rem Mag and dropped into a horribly fitted stock. Who ever had bent the bolt handle also ruined the temper on the camming surface of the bolt so it was “sticky”. That’s an example of “very badly done” (although the polish and blue was very well done). But it was a $75 rifle and a great gunsmithing project. I replaced the bolt handle with a new one for $1.99, welded it to the bolt, properly shaped everything, then re-tempered that area of the bolt. I dropped it in a classic style Fajen semi-inletted fancy walnut stock (for around $150 IIRC) and the end result was a very nice custom rifle for $227, plus some time and sweat. That wasn’t bad even in the early 1980s. —— Aside from the bluing tank temp being a little off and the blue going purple a couple decades later (it doesn’t show at the time you do it) on the trigger assembly, that M1 carbine had been very nicely sporterized. I’d have left it alone as a nicely done piece of Americana that was every bit as historically significant as a non messed with surplus M1 carbine. As it is now, the OP has neither one. He’s got a re parked and restocked M1 carbine that he poured a lot of money into, and what he has to show for it is a refinished non original M1 carbine with no character. You can find those every day. Meh - one of his grandchildren will pawn it, it will kick around for awhile, and some collector will snag it for a good price and have the bolt blued. It will be absolutely correct. One of his grandchildren will pawn it, it will fall in the hands of an artist, who will jewel the bolt & find an old Fajen stock... |
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Posted: 9/8/2022 5:32:59 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh - one of his grandchildren will pawn it, it will kick around for awhile, and some collector will snag it for a good price and have the bolt blued. It will be absolutely correct. One of his grandchildren will pawn it, it will fall in the hands of an artist, who will jewel the bolt & find an old Fajen stock... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fajen sold a lot of stocks back in the day in fully finished, inletted and semi-inletted form. Many of them went on various surplus weapons, including the M1 Carbine, and they often made very nice firearms, when properly done. For example, I found a Mauser 98 in the early 1980s that had been rebarrelled for 7mm Rem Mag and dropped into a horribly fitted stock. Who ever had bent the bolt handle also ruined the temper on the camming surface of the bolt so it was “sticky”. That’s an example of “very badly done” (although the polish and blue was very well done). But it was a $75 rifle and a great gunsmithing project. I replaced the bolt handle with a new one for $1.99, welded it to the bolt, properly shaped everything, then re-tempered that area of the bolt. I dropped it in a classic style Fajen semi-inletted fancy walnut stock (for around $150 IIRC) and the end result was a very nice custom rifle for $227, plus some time and sweat. That wasn’t bad even in the early 1980s. —— Aside from the bluing tank temp being a little off and the blue going purple a couple decades later (it doesn’t show at the time you do it) on the trigger assembly, that M1 carbine had been very nicely sporterized. I’d have left it alone as a nicely done piece of Americana that was every bit as historically significant as a non messed with surplus M1 carbine. As it is now, the OP has neither one. He’s got a re parked and restocked M1 carbine that he poured a lot of money into, and what he has to show for it is a refinished non original M1 carbine with no character. You can find those every day. Meh - one of his grandchildren will pawn it, it will kick around for awhile, and some collector will snag it for a good price and have the bolt blued. It will be absolutely correct. One of his grandchildren will pawn it, it will fall in the hands of an artist, who will jewel the bolt & find an old Fajen stock... Your both wrong. 1st, no grandchildren. 2nd, the nephew who does get my firearms when I pass knows what a M1 carbine is and what value they have. |
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Posted: 9/9/2022 10:04:38 AM EDT
[#30]
Nice rendition of your M1 Carbine.
One of these days I will have to pick one up.... ( Lol, along with a couple of other "wants", you know what I mean.. the list grows every day ) And I also think the "greedy" comment was just Carbine envy, Lol... heck I'd even like one from a reliable / knowledgeable source ! |
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Posted: 9/11/2022 10:51:12 AM EDT
[#31]
Dang. I haven't seen an m1 carbine in a gun store in 10 years, and it was around $500 in perfect condition. I didn't realize they were so valuable now.
OP I've seen some Bubba'd guns but that stock wasn't so bad. I would have ran it. Most want the original though. |
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Posted: 9/17/2022 10:23:25 PM EDT
[#32]
 Snagged a nice Springfield Armory M2 walnut stock last week for $65 bucks, figured it looks great in it |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 2:16:15 PM EDT
[#33]
Thank God that whoever owned that carbine first cut or made the stock to slip over the bayonet lug and they didn’t cut it off like a communist piece of shit.
Infantry rifles have bayonet lugs. Period. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 3:00:29 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank God that whoever owned that carbine first cut or made the stock to slip over the bayonet lug and they didn’t cut it off like a communist piece of shit. Infantry rifles have bayonet lugs. Period. Uh, the carbine didn't originally have a bayonet lug. And the bayonet lug is part of the forward bbl band. And the carbine wasn't intended as an infantry rifle. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 3:33:36 PM EDT
[#35]
I inherited a sporterized Springfield Krag that was my great grandfathers' gun. I've never been able to confirm if it's what he carried in WWI, but I wouldn't change it for the world. There's plenty of original Krag rifles out there.
But you did a great job putting that carbine back right. Looks like a fun project!! |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 5:02:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I inherited a sporterized Springfield Krag that was my great grandfathers' gun. I've never been able to confirm if it's what he carried in WWI, but I wouldn't change it for the world. There's plenty of original Krag rifles out there. But you did a great job putting that carbine back right. Looks like a fun project!! Krags were only used for training stateside during the 1st WW. |
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Posted: 10/22/2022 7:12:33 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank God that whoever owned that carbine first cut or made the stock to slip over the bayonet lug and they didn’t cut it off like a communist piece of shit. Infantry rifles have bayonet lugs. Period. Actually, they did modify the barrel band so it would work with the sporter stock. They either used a Type 2 or cut down a Type 3. The Sporter band has a screw in the bottom that fits in the stock, holding the top guard on and mounting the stock in place. I had Fulton install the Type 3 when they did the repark. I thought about having them use a Type 2 but that would have just been a cut down Type 3 anyway. I sort of figured it had been through the rebuild process postwar anyway, the Type 3 looked better with the adjustable rear sight. |
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Posted: 11/24/2022 5:03:09 PM EDT
[#38]
VERY nice, OP. Nice collection you have, too.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 2:00:57 PM EDT
[#39]
Very nice indeed! Wish I would have snagged the one for the $400 at my LGS 10 years ago...
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Posted: 12/14/2022 2:50:24 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, carbines are going for 1600???? Ditto! Holy hell...off to google the value of a Rock-Ola.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 3:18:47 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ditto! Holy hell...off to google the value of a Rock-Ola. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wait, carbines are going for 1600???? Ditto! Holy hell...off to google the value of a Rock-Ola. They've gone through the roof the past couple of years. |
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