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Posted: 4/4/2018 5:37:38 PM EDT
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Judging from their dismal sales I thought this would have happened sooner.
ETA: Acusport (wholesaler) lists their cans with a discontinued Icon. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 6:33:15 PM EDT
[#2]
They were just reviewed in American Rifleman too.
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Posted: 4/4/2018 6:41:56 PM EDT
[#3]
Arms Unlimited is blowing them out at some crazy prices. Had to hide my credit card from myself.
I've read in a few different places that they are essentially SilencerCo cans wrapped in an aluminum sleeve to re-brand them, so they seem like a great deal if you don't mind the aesthetics. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 6:46:53 PM EDT
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Arms Unlimited is blowing them out at some crazy prices. Had to hide my credit card from myself.
I've read in a few different places that they are essentially SilencerCo cans wrapped in an aluminum sleeve to re-brand them, so they seem like a great deal if you don't mind the aesthetics. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 6:58:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've got three in my cart, but I'm hesitant due to potential service issues in the future... |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 7:06:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
They were just reviewed in American Rifleman too. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 7:27:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve heard that silencerco makes them, if that is true I wonder if they’ll do warranty work on them? That is the only thing holding me back at the current price. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 7:58:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats why I am passing on it. There is no way sico is going to do warranty work on these. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:03:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But will Blackhawk? Its not like the whole company is folding, what kind of warranty do they offer? |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 8:06:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I shot them an email earlier to ask, I'll post their reply when I receive it. |
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Posted: 4/4/2018 10:05:53 PM EDT
[#11]
Are the mounts the same as SilencerCo mounts. I’m probably going to pick one up
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Posted: 4/4/2018 11:41:24 PM EDT
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Are the mounts the same as SilencerCo mounts. I’m probably going to pick one up |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 12:39:01 AM EDT
[#13]
The mounts are all the same as SiCo, since they are made by SiCo. The Miniboss uses Octane/Omega 9k accessories.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 1:16:55 AM EDT
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I don't care for the looks but those prices are pretty tempting, the warranty is wild card. So the Gas Can = Omega 300 but what is the SiCo equivalent of the Barrage? I assume the aftermarket Omega Ti mounts and endcaps would fit these?
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:18:06 AM EDT
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Are the stacks as good as SiCo stacks, or made to lesser specs?
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:48:27 AM EDT
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I don't care for the looks but those prices are pretty tempting, the warranty is wild card. So the Gas Can = Omega 300 but what is the SiCo equivalent of the Barrage? I assume the aftermarket Omega Ti mounts and endcaps would fit these? |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 11:05:54 AM EDT
[#17]
An Omega for $500?
I am tempt. ETA: Appears to be heavier (and uglier) than an Omega. Worth it for the $300 savings? |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 11:39:30 AM EDT
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Those discount prices are very nice.
I have a concern, perhaps silly, if so Forgive my ignorance: How does the aluminum over tube affect durability? I realize they are internally welded stellite, but as the aluminum outer tube is the serialized part, what are the chances of overheating to the point of tube failure? None or could it be an issue. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 11:48:21 AM EDT
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Those discount prices are very nice. I have a concern, perhaps silly, if so Forgive my ignorance: How does the aluminum over tube affect durability? I realize they are internally welded stellite, but as the aluminum outer tube is the serialized part, what are the chances of overheating to the point of tube failure? None or could it be an issue.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 2:18:00 PM EDT
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I'm rolling the dice on a Mini Boss. I want a shorter can for my 9mm AR than running my AAC TiRant 45.
I hope the warranty is not an issue. So long as Blackhawk is in business one would think they will warranty one of their products, even if discontinued. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 3:18:35 PM EDT
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I'm rolling the dice on a Mini Boss. I want a shorter can for my 9mm AR than running my AAC TiRant 45. I hope the warranty is not an issue. So long as Blackhawk is in business one would think they will warranty one of their products, even if discontinued. Was also told any suppressor purchased after April 1 will NOT have blackhawks warranty. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 3:45:14 PM EDT
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Called them this morning and was told the suppressors were officially discontinued as of April 1. Was also told any suppressor purchased after April 1 will NOT have blackhawks warranty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm rolling the dice on a Mini Boss. I want a shorter can for my 9mm AR than running my AAC TiRant 45. I hope the warranty is not an issue. So long as Blackhawk is in business one would think they will warranty one of their products, even if discontinued. Was also told any suppressor purchased after April 1 will NOT have blackhawks warranty. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 3:52:21 PM EDT
[#23]
Been staring at my cart all day...
I am no longer tempt 
$300 extra for lifetime warranty and not the ugliest can in existence? I'm good w/ that. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 5:00:56 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Called them this morning and was told the suppressors were officially discontinued as of April 1. Was also told any suppressor purchased after April 1 will NOT have blackhawks warranty. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 5:59:28 PM EDT
[#25]
Welp. Guess I'm glad I got mine when I did.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:08:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How the hell do they |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:18:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its company policy not law. "GUARANTEED – BLACKHAWK! stands behind its suppressors with a Lifetime Limited Warranty." Id imagine they could be sued for failing to honor the warranty. I've never had to send a can in for warranty, is proof of purchase normally required? Either way I bought a mini boss.. I'm going to put it via 3-lug on my transferable m11/9.. what could possibly go wrong? 
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:18:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How the hell do they LEGALLY do that? Gemtech has simply decided not to provide any written warranty. https://gemtech.com/warranty/ |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:33:44 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of folks do not have a warranty. Nothing illegal. Gemtech has simply decided not to provide any written warranty. https://gemtech.com/warranty/ |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:34:33 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of folks do not have a warranty. Nothing illegal. Gemtech has simply decided not to provide any written warranty. https://gemtech.com/warranty/ |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:36:34 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They had a lifetime warranty and apparently revoked it as of April 1st. I think the real question would be whether SilencerCo will repair them. I assume the deal between Blackhawk and SilencerCo fell apart. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:46:26 PM EDT
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They had a lifetime warranty and apparently revoked it as of April 1st. Quote HistoryQuoted:
They had a lifetime warranty and apparently revoked it as of April 1st. Quoted:
The difference is Blackhawk has marketed it as warrantied, and has made no formal announcement that anybody can see that they have ceased that. It's called fraud There is no legal requirement for a "formal announcement". BB. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 6:52:53 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And now they are saying it is not warrantied after 4/1. There is no legal requirement for a "formal announcement". BB. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:20:08 PM EDT
[#34]
Well let them drop more in price. I'd bite at $250
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:22:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And now they are saying it is not warrantied after 4/1. There is no legal requirement for a "formal announcement". BB. So where have they said this? Is it on their webpage? Press release? Publication in trade journals? Communications to their vendors? |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:25:14 PM EDT
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Actually yes there is, otherwise they can say they stopped offering their warranty at any point and you could not question it Quote HistoryQuoted:
Actually yes there is, otherwise they can say they stopped offering their warranty at any point and you could not question it As NightOwl says, What is stated in/on the box is what matters. Quoted:
So where have they said this? Is it on their webpage? Press release? Publication in trade journals? Communications to their vendors? |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:36:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Called them this morning and was told the suppressors were officially discontinued as of April 1. Was also told any suppressor purchased after April 1 will NOT have blackhawks warranty. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 7:46:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh really? Care to cite it? No you cant since it does not exist. As NightOwl says, What is stated in/on the box is what matters. I first read about it in this thread Yes their webpage has taken down the descriptions but that doesn't negate what was previously stated. A publicly stated written warranty is an Express Warranty Magnuson-Moss would likely come into play. Breach of Warranty If the buyer took the lifetime warranty into consideration when making the buying decision it is actionable. If Blackhawk marketed a lifetime warranty and used it as a selling point they must stand behind that until such time as they reverse that. Where is the public statement on their website? Where is the notification to their vendors to state that? What reason would anybody have to know this was the new policy? The manufacturer made a representation and has done nothing to reverse that. Now if they did post that on their webpage or issue a press release to the industry with adequate time to disseminate that, if they notified vendors to remove the warranty language, those would all be affirmative steps to alter the agreement. If they did those things and the vendor continued to represent that warranty, the vendor could be on the hook. Blackhawk has no reason not to warranty the item unless it was sold at liquidation to the vendor with the understanding that they were no longer including a warranty, again, in which case it would be the duty of the vendor to notify the consumer. Under no circumstances can it be assumed that it is the purchaser's responsibility to verify that the express warranty claims by both the manufacturer and vendor are still in effect. |
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:06:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/5/2018 8:49:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/5/2018 9:15:34 PM EDT
[#41]
What about vendors who have old stock in inventory, purchased at a non-discounted price, with the understanding that it included a lifetime warranty? That was factored into the unit cost. If the silencer was not sold from their inventory by April 1, the warranty is now gone? Yeah I don't see that flying. If that's Blackhawk's policy, that's shady as shit.
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Posted: 4/5/2018 9:25:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Perfectly timed. Well done Quote HistoryQuoted:
Perfectly timed. Well done 
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Posted: 4/5/2018 9:41:25 PM EDT
[#43]
I'm tempted to buy a few.
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Posted: 4/6/2018 12:00:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I cannot find a picture that shows a serial number.. wonder if it's on the tube or the aluminum sleeve. Looking at a cut away the bafflestack is welded and the aluminum sleeve is just slid over the tube.. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/176560/nralc-43-505390.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those discount prices are very nice. I have a concern, perhaps silly, if so Forgive my ignorance: How does the aluminum over tube affect durability? I realize they are internally welded stellite, but as the aluminum outer tube is the serialized part, what are the chances of overheating to the point of tube failure? None or could it be an issue. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/176560/nralc-43-505390.JPG Cans are not something I'm going to cheap out on though. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 12:11:36 AM EDT
[#45]
At $330 each you can start dedicating them to specific rifles.
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Posted: 4/6/2018 9:18:53 AM EDT
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At $330 each you can start dedicating them to specific rifles. Edited for grammar |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 10:05:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2018 11:59:18 AM EDT
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@KitBuilder what did I miss?
I bought two. They're cheap and light. |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 2:55:44 PM EDT
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Nothing.
I had poor reading comprehension.
lol |
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Posted: 4/6/2018 3:03:12 PM EDT
[#50]
It happens
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