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Posted: 7/21/2022 8:15:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wreckless]
[#1]
Yes, a standard Benelli Field stock will fit. I did it with mine. As long as the tube is round and you are GTG. If you have the squared off stock tube you will need to replace it.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2022 4:56:23 PM EDT
[#2]
So which clone is the best?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/23/2022 10:51:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BobaDebt]
[#3]
Black Aces has a new M-4 Clone
It has wood furnature and an interesting rail Black Aces Pro S-4  Benelli Owners might buy it for the furnature |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 12:48:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobaDebt: Black Aces has a new M-4 Clone It has wood furnature and an interesting rail Black Aces Pro S-4 https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/295179142_10158451895431695_1688917712998062825_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=_IOQDvSFWHMAX_s0DfC&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8xmTIePkP0y43glGA4P2XFlF00teXrECsBRirfdCQoMA&oe=62E01D6D Benelli Owners might buy it for the furnature That’s pretty cool. Should be much easier to cut down the stock length. If you’re into that kind of thing. |
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Posted: 7/23/2022 1:56:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gl22man: I figured out the collapsible stock! @gl22man - can you share? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/23/2022 4:34:17 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paulie771: Looking at getting one of these for shits and giggles. Is the Charles Daly the go to right now or is there an option I didn't notice going through the last ten pages? I think it's important to remember that these are all being cranked out by a very short list of places in Turkey and simply being re-branded. The CD does not have a ton of plastic parts and is comparable to all the others. Here is a recent review of the Four Peaks Coppola T4 from Bud's Gun Shop: "Very disappointed. Just purchased the Copolla T4 with high expectations but the gun has already failed without even making it through one box of S&B #00 buck (1330fps). The first 5 rounds cycled well then I began to get failures to eject. At this time I noticed the safety no longer would lock into safe or fire position. Fired 3 final rounds with 2 failures to eject then after the final shot bolt is stuck in the Rearward position and will not release. Called Buds and they said warranty work will have to go through the manufacturer but Four Peaks hasn’t been responsive. Their warranty policy says that I will have to pay shipping as well. $600 plus dollars for a non functional shotgun, definitely not the home defense gun that I purchased it for. The actual purchase process from Buds was great as my previous purchases have been. " My CD has been flawless. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/23/2022 6:17:45 PM EDT
[#7]
If you take the time to read this whole thread the SDS TAC 12 is the closest to a real M4
It cost the most got mine for $600. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/24/2022 6:06:32 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goatchoker: If you take the time to read this whole thread the SDS TAC 12 is the closest to a real M4 It cost the most got mine for $600. If you're talking to me, I have read the whole thread and you'll find my comments throughout back to over a year ago. I can guarantee you that the SDS TAC 12 is no better or worse than any of the others. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2022 6:10:38 PM EDT
[#9]
https://sjhardware.com/product/turknelli-collapsible-butt-stock-m4-clones/
Has anyone seen this or have one yet? Great price. |
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Posted: 7/27/2022 7:36:41 PM EDT
[#10]
 M4 Tactical Adjustable Telescopic Stock, For Benelli M4 Shotguns and Clones, i.e. Panzer M4, Etc. Aftermarket, Made In Turkey SALE PRICE $42 50 https://www.classicfirearms.com/m4-tactical-adjustable-telescopic-stock-for-benelli-m4-style-shotguns Note, only one review and it isn't good but there's another option out there. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/27/2022 8:52:07 PM EDT
[#11]
I think you still have to buy the tube (3,5,6 position). I was looking at those
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Posted: 7/27/2022 9:44:00 PM EDT
[#12]
They explain in the advert that you need the tube with the notches in it or replace the smooth tube that the early guns came with.
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Posted: 7/27/2022 9:58:57 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wreckless: They explain in the advert that you need the tube with the notches in it or replace the smooth tube that the early guns came with. What is the level of effort to replace the tube? |
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USA
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Posted: 7/28/2022 7:00:17 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karankawa: That’s pretty cool. Should be much easier to cut down the stock length. If you’re into that kind of thing. Its the AKSA S4. |
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Posted: 7/28/2022 7:37:33 PM EDT
[#15]
Not hard at all. Just need a MAPP Torch to cook off the thread sealer used.
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Posted: 7/28/2022 7:59:44 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wreckless: Not hard at all. Just need a MAPP Torch to cook off the thread sealer used. That might be overkill. Think I used a heat gun on mine. Whatever I did I posted in this thread. After it made an audible crack it let go easily. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/28/2022 8:54:44 PM EDT
[#17]
Mine had no thread lock on it.Cameoff with just a wrench
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CO, USA
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Posted: 8/3/2022 12:02:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SouthPaw970]
[#18]
In stock at Apex - https://www.apexgunparts.com/benelli-m4-stock-w-pistol-grip-adjustable-cheek-riser-new.html?fbclid=IwAR3gh4jTFahxj95jwyql4U8E366L-oE8Qckd43oQJFTaxWBTjgH4LS-sZtU
I ordered one, not sure if it will fit my tube or not, but for the price, worth the gamble for my SDS TAC12. Edit: I contacted SDS and they stated this The buffer tube on the S4 and Tac 13, are not smooth, nor do they interface with OEM Benelli stocks. They are patterned similar to an AR/M4 tube, just a smaller diameter. And this video shows to confirm that statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOSCRhS2ZFU |
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Posted: 8/5/2022 12:36:26 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By splogan: I think you still have to buy the tube (3,5,6 position). I was looking at those Does anyone here know where I can find one of those recoil tubes for the best price? |
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Posted: 8/6/2022 9:52:35 PM EDT
[#20]
If this has already been asked just link to the answer - is it possible to replace a clone tube with legit tube to add a legit adjustable stock?
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Posted: 8/7/2022 4:40:13 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sendit14: If this has already been asked just link to the answer - is it possible to replace a clone tube with legit tube to add a legit adjustable stock? Yes you can replace the tube on a clone with a benelli recoil tube. |
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Posted: 8/8/2022 4:39:41 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joescuba: Yes you can replace the tube on a clone with a benelli recoil tube. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Joescuba: Originally Posted By sendit14: If this has already been asked just link to the answer - is it possible to replace a clone tube with legit tube to add a legit adjustable stock? Yes you can replace the tube on a clone with a benelli recoil tube. U DA MAN!! |
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USA
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Posted: 8/8/2022 7:26:43 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SouthPaw970: In stock at Apex - https://www.apexgunparts.com/benelli-m4-stock-w-pistol-grip-adjustable-cheek-riser-new.html?fbclid=IwAR3gh4jTFahxj95jwyql4U8E366L-oE8Qckd43oQJFTaxWBTjgH4LS-sZtU I ordered one, not sure if it will fit my tube or not, but for the price, worth the gamble for my SDS TAC12. Edit: I contacted SDS and they stated this And this video shows to confirm that statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOSCRhS2ZFU Thats funny i had two S4’s and both have smooth recoil tubes. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 8/9/2022 12:11:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SouthPaw970]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SouthPaw970: In stock at Apex - https://www.apexgunparts.com/benelli-m4-stock-w-pistol-grip-adjustable-cheek-riser-new.html?fbclid=IwAR3gh4jTFahxj95jwyql4U8E366L-oE8Qckd43oQJFTaxWBTjgH4LS-sZtU I ordered one, not sure if it will fit my tube or not, but for the price, worth the gamble for my SDS TAC12. Edit: I contacted SDS and they stated this Ok, I got it in and by luck, I found an OEM Benelli 3-position tube for a really good price. I tried installing them tonight and the pistol grip doesn’t fit. I’m not sure how to explain it, but the grip is too thick and doesn’t allow the nut on the back side to catch threads. I played with it for two hours and I can’t figure it out. Is there some trick I am missing? The install is straight forward but again, the pistol grip won’t grab the threads. My video: https://imgur.com/a/zIAFohx Video - 11:26 mark  Benelli M4 Butt Stock Tube Removal and Installation You can see in this vid, you have the lock nut, but also the pistol grip has a nut on the back side that threads on. Here are the pics I took:           |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/9/2022 8:13:17 PM EDT
[#25]
On the Tube discussion taking place-
The Panzer stock at Classic needs a notched style recoil tube, which none of the M4 clones have. The S4 seems to have a smooth tube. My TAC-12 has the same "M4 Style" tube out of the box, but the Sulun stock came with another tube that had more positions/ holes drilled closer together, and a nicer finish. ALSO- Did SDS stop importing these?? I only see Tokarev brand shotguns and VEPR-types on their page now. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 8/9/2022 8:33:00 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalashnikev101: On the Tube discussion taking place- The Panzer stock at Classic needs a notched style recoil tube, which none of the M4 clones have. The S4 seems to have a smooth tube. My TAC-12 has the same "M4 Style" tube out of the box, but the Sulun stock came with another tube that had more positions/ holes drilled closer together, and a nicer finish. ALSO- Did SDS stop importing these?? I only see Tokarev brand shotguns and VEPR-types on their page now. When I spoke to SDS regarding the TAC-12, they said they had no plans on importing anymore in. My TAC-12 had a completely smooth tube, with no notches or M4 cuts. Smooth from top to bottom. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 8:59:29 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SouthPaw970: When I spoke to SDS regarding the TAC-12, they said they had no plans on importing anymore in. My TAC-12 had a completely smooth tube, with no notches or M4 cuts. Smooth from top to bottom. My TAC-12 had the M4 (carbine) style with railed detents. Which I ground off to fit an Urbino or I’d sell it. Wish I liked the Benelli style collapsible. There’s just no way I wouldn’t get it tangled up in something. |
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Posted: 8/9/2022 9:01:40 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kalashnikev101: On the Tube discussion taking place- The Panzer stock at Classic needs a notched style recoil tube, which none of the M4 clones have. The S4 seems to have a smooth tube. My TAC-12 has the same "M4 Style" tube out of the box, but the Sulun stock came with another tube that had more positions/ holes drilled closer together, and a nicer finish. ALSO- Did SDS stop importing these?? I only see Tokarev brand shotguns and VEPR-types on their page now. FWIW - I received an eml today about a sale on "M4 Tactical Adjustable Telescopic Stock, For Benelli M4 Shotguns and Clones, i.e. Panzer M4, Etc. Aftermarket, Made In Turkey" kit which are out of stock like 2min after the eml arrived 🙄 There is a video of the guy showing how this kit includes notched tube with adjustable stock (and I think grip). Point is maybe they'll have stock so we can give reviews. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/10/2022 10:57:45 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SouthPaw970: In stock at Apex - https://www.apexgunparts.com/benelli-m4-stock-w-pistol-grip-adjustable-cheek-riser-new.html?fbclid=IwAR3gh4jTFahxj95jwyql4U8E366L-oE8Qckd43oQJFTaxWBTjgH4LS-sZtU I ordered one, not sure if it will fit my tube or not, but for the price, worth the gamble for my SDS TAC12. Edit: I contacted SDS and they stated this And this video shows to confirm that statement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOSCRhS2ZFU I also bought the Panzer M4 adjustable stock and grip for $50 shipped. Does anyone know if it can be made to fit the CD 601DPS recoil tube? I don't remember which style the 601 has and I'm not home to check. I know the mesa tactical can be "made to fit" , just wasn't sure if the Panzer M4 could also be made to fit or will a Benelli M4 recoil tube be required? |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 8/11/2022 6:51:58 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SouthPaw970: When I spoke to SDS regarding the TAC-12, they said they had no plans on importing anymore in. So weird. When I talked to them at SHOT, they were SUPER bullish on the S4 and Tac-12, up to getting better factory furniture for them. I wonder what changed. The dude from Panzer was utterly convinced he made the best ones in terms of heat treat and parts and QC. Sometimes hard to tell in the haze of the show who's full of it or not, but I believe that he believed what he was saying. |
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USA
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Posted: 8/11/2022 8:43:06 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By porterb123: my cd version has been good to go. I turned it into the adjustable stock version. No problems with the carrier or pistons showing peening. Onlr couple hundred rouns so far. Very accurate at 50 yards using slugs and Holosun red dot! @porterb123 How were you able to change to adjustable stock? |
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Posted: 8/11/2022 9:17:50 AM EDT
[#32]
In the current configs we are not planning anymore imports. We are reevaluating the features end-users want and need to make it closer to the M4 and working on sourcing one that meets our expectations and also is closer to the OG.
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Posted: 8/11/2022 11:34:34 AM EDT
[#33]
I purchased the CD 601 last week for $350, couldn't pass it up at that price, I put around 60rds of S&B 00 buck & some slugs through it, a few hiccups with the first couple of boxes but then it ran fine. Only thing i don't like is the PG stock, it feels cheap, I'm going to stick a Benelli non pg stock on it asap. I own the Benelli also & there is not much difference.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 8/11/2022 6:30:14 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wreckless: https://cdn.classicfirearms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/a/panzer_stock.jpg M4 Tactical Adjustable Telescopic Stock, For Benelli M4 Shotguns and Clones, i.e. Panzer M4, Etc. Aftermarket, Made In Turkey SALE PRICE $42 50 https://www.classicfirearms.com/m4-tactical-adjustable-telescopic-stock-for-benelli-m4-style-shotguns Note, only one review and it isn't good but there's another option out there. Question for those of you who have bought one of these stocks, is the cheek riser adjustable to the point that you can use the ghost rings when the stock is collapsed to the middle position? Or whatever is shorter than full extension, but not all the way collapsed? |
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Posted: 8/12/2022 12:58:37 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRat: Question for those of you who have bought one of these stocks, is the cheek riser adjustable to the point that you can use the ghost rings when the stock is collapsed to the middle position? Or whatever is shorter than full extension, but not all the way collapsed? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRat: Originally Posted By wreckless: https://cdn.classicfirearms.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/800x600/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/p/a/panzer_stock.jpg M4 Tactical Adjustable Telescopic Stock, For Benelli M4 Shotguns and Clones, i.e. Panzer M4, Etc. Aftermarket, Made In Turkey SALE PRICE $42 50 https://www.classicfirearms.com/m4-tactical-adjustable-telescopic-stock-for-benelli-m4-style-shotguns Note, only one review and it isn't good but there's another option out there. Question for those of you who have bought one of these stocks, is the cheek riser adjustable to the point that you can use the ghost rings when the stock is collapsed to the middle position? Or whatever is shorter than full extension, but not all the way collapsed? Classic now has these in stock. I FOd. As s guy with one of the 'recent batch' of M4s and a recent kit, I will let you know if it works as advertised. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/12/2022 10:39:26 PM EDT
[#36]
I am new to these M4 clones, can someone tell me the difference between the SDS S4 and the TAC 12.
Thanks |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:02:34 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Karankawa: That’s pretty cool. Should be much easier to cut down the stock length. If you’re into that kind of thing. That is nice in wood Black Aces doesn't sell direct for that - Where does one find one. A search doesn't find that model for sale. 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2022 1:51:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1096369fred]
[#38]
Hey Troops,
Thanks for all the great info! I just got a Panzer M-4 and the telescopic stock from Classic Arms….. fingers crossed that I got a good one! I’m looking for a side-saddle mount, and am leaning toward the mesa tactical, and may splurge for the M-4 mount with the built in RMR mount…. Does anyone know if the Mesa will fit the Panzer Arms M-4? If not what will? Thanks! Fred |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2022 2:51:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1096369fred]
[#39]
For the good of the order!
Classics new video with the adjustable stock: (but looks like they are out of stock already…. Better try APex!) https://youtu.be/4cmKTRlaYXw |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 5:23:36 PM EDT
[#40]
Just can’t stop butchering mine.
I prefer the simple fixed stock but it’s too long for me as it arrives from Turkey. Too bad because its great otherwise. The shorter Urbino has a better length of pull but has an awkwardly square grip that is uncomfortable and causes blistering inside my thumb. So I half assed it to accept the Benelli grip cover almost perfectly. The curve where the cover touches the stock is little off but not enough to bother me. I also gooped on some extra epoxy to build up the area behind the trigger guard. When the weather cools off I’ll put a few hundred rounds through it to see if it stays intact. If it does I’ll sandblast off the DuraCoat to reprofile, fill in the pinholes and resurface to something better looking. It reminds me of this:  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:22:30 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1096369fred: Hey Troops, Thanks for all the great info! I just got a Panzer M-4 and the telescopic stock from Classic Arms….. fingers crossed that I got a good one! I’m looking for a side-saddle mount, and am leaning toward the mesa tactical, and may splurge for the M-4 mount with the built in RMR mount…. Does anyone know if the Mesa will fit the Panzer Arms M-4? If not what will? Thanks! Fred You just 'got' - ordered or received? I ask because I ordered an M4 a couple weeks back and received it stupid fast. Then I ordered the stock kit on 11 August and no shipping notification yet. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 8/14/2022 10:25:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BorderDave]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1096369fred: Does anyone know if the Mesa will fit the Panzer Arms M-4? If not what will? Thanks! Fred Here is my Gen 1 Panzer M4 with the Mesa Tactical stock and side saddle (picatinny, not RMR). The side saddle is very easy to mount. All you have to do is unscrew five small screws to remove the factory picatinny rail and put the Mesa Tactical side saddle in its place. 
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Posted: 8/14/2022 10:38:04 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1096369fred: Hey Troops, Thanks for all the great info! I just got a Panzer M-4 and the telescopic stock from Classic Arms….. fingers crossed that I got a good one! I’m looking for a side-saddle mount, and am leaning toward the mesa tactical, and may splurge for the M-4 mount with the built in RMR mount…. Does anyone know if the Mesa will fit the Panzer Arms M-4? If not what will? Thanks! Fred Shotguns and red dots don’t generally work so well for me. More so with age. Well, a KSG with RMR right behind the muzzle the was an exception. Also a Saiga 12 with a reflex sight for slugs. It’s fantastic in hand but tends to hang up on stuff. An optic would ruin the best part of the M4 for me, how streamlined it is. So I went with Mepro tritium sights and Esstac carriers. They tuck neatly into AR mag carriers, don’t scratch or snag their neighbors in the safe and won’t cut me when my clumsy ass is trying to be John Wick. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2022 7:21:00 AM EDT
[#45]
Ordered (from Classic) on 8/7, arrived my FFL 8/11… I picked up on 8/12…. I ordered the adjustable stock on 8/13…. It is still listed as “packing”! May be a long wait, since it is now listed as out of stock…. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/16/2022 7:26:29 AM EDT
[#46]
Hey Borderdave,
Thanks for posting and confirming the mesa will work! I just ordered a Swampfox “Kingslayer” for my Panzer Arms M-4. It comes with a Rail mount, so I am a little torn which mesa mount to get…. The rail or the RMR… it looks like the RMR May co-witness better, and even though It is a few bucks more…. I’m leaning in that direction! Thanks! Fred |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:21:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sendit14]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1096369fred: Ordered (from Classic) on 8/7, arrived my FFL 8/11… I picked up on 8/12…. I ordered the adjustable stock on 8/13…. It is still listed as “packing”! May be a long wait, since it is now listed as out of stock…. Same for stock. I contacted them about it and received a template (i.e. unhelpful) response. Either they need to hire for the warehouse bigly or stop selling items not on hand (which is technically illegal). The M4 arrived as expected so they have 'goodwill' ... for a bit |
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USA
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Posted: 8/18/2022 4:43:01 PM EDT
[#48]
Black Aces Tactical Pro S4 is available now at PSA for $500
Is there any functional difference aside from having wood furniture? |
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Posted: 8/18/2022 8:06:01 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uncommonlich: Black Aces Tactical Pro S4 is available now at PSA for $500 Is there any functional difference aside from having wood furniture? Not likely much different, but "Wood is Good" and like the normal stock profile.  I just wish PSA had it in black - I will wait. https://palmettostatearmory.com/black-aces-tactical-pro-s4-12-gauge-shotgun-semi-auto-18-5-walnut-fde-bats4fdewal.html |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 8/19/2022 10:55:26 AM EDT
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The stock shipped yesterday 8/18…. Should arrive tomorrow!
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