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Posted: 1/17/2021 6:52:53 PM EDT
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I friend of mine who is one of (if not the) top Benelli gunsmith for modifying them for competition had a Torros in his shop the last time I was over there was impressed with it. This is a guy that works on easily a couple of hundred or more custom Benelli shotguns a year.
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Posted: 1/17/2021 9:11:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Carolina_K]
[#2]
where can I find the Toros?
other than gunbroker |
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USA
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:01:41 PM EDT
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This is great. I need a standard 18in barrel for my sbs m4 to use in other states.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 12:07:37 AM EDT
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Wow.....I started a great thread!!!!
As for those who have installed the FFT handguards. Can you show the area you”fitted” to get them to mount properly? I taken off some from material on both ends and just can’t get my barrel to seat 100%. There is still the slight hint of silver showing at the receiver where the barrel meets. There is none with the stock handguards. Curious if I’m missing the obvious area to adjust them for a proper fit. Thanks |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2021 1:10:51 AM EDT
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So are there any other stock options besides factory and Mesa? I would love to put a smaller stock on this. I get the skeleton / collapse type are basically non existent. Just asking what else (if any) will fit. And I’m referring to the High Peaks clone.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 6:10:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Norinco982lover]
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A helpful user on Reddit sent me some pics of his copolla t4. He said his friends pistol grip stock is identical.
  He said the stock is cheap plastic and his front sight was loose when he got it but has only had 1 malfunction in 500 various shells. Malfunction was with some cheap federal target loads. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 6:55:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M60-E4]
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My front sight was slightly loose as well on my T4s arrival. One small turn of my mini wrench once I sighted it in and it’s stayed snug.
So what are our stock options if we want to change it in the future ? |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 6:59:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Norinco982lover]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M60-E4: My front sight was slightly loose as well on my T4s arrival. One small turn of my mini wrench once I sighted it in and it’s stayed snug. So what are our stock options if we want to change it in the future ? The reddit user's friend ordered the mesa tactical stock he'll let me know if it works on the copolla t4 or not when it shows up. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 7:48:55 PM EDT
[#9]
So are we thinking the Toros is higher quality than the other options? I've got to buy one of these soon.
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USA
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Posted: 1/18/2021 7:55:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: katzma]
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Does anyone have a Panzer Arms M4? I ordered one a few days ago from classic. Can't find anything on them except classics video.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/18/2021 8:17:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By katzma: Does anyone have a Panzer Arms M4? I ordered on a few days ago from classic. Can't find anything on them except classics video. I can not find anything else on it either, give us your impressions when you receive it please. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 8:35:46 PM EDT
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Great thread. Thanks all.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 8:45:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: A helpful user on Reddit sent me some pics of his copolla t4. He said his friends pistol grip stock is identical. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/243189/B2323CB0-D792-4909-93D6-D77766710B07-1785523.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/243189/FCEEB004-1D24-4805-B425-517DCF7AED43-1785524.jpg |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 8:50:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Norinco982lover]
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: Is this identical to a Benelli M4 fixed stock tube or not? It doesn’t have the collapsible stock cuts. Other than that, not sure. Here’s a pic of the Benelli  edit: he compares the toros to a benelli at 08:20 in this youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4kDhAjav4c |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 8:54:04 PM EDT
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Thanks. Hopefully someone can verify the dimensions and thread pitch.
Should be gen 2 that's roughly the same tube, and has the carrier release button located directly under the bolt handle like a real M4, correct? (And even gen 1 should have the same threads, if I understood correctly.) Are we still thinking all these brands are actually manufactured by Sulun? |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:07:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes: So are we thinking the Toros is higher quality than the other options? I've got to buy one of these soon. I don’t know but would it be unreasonable to think that they might be made in the same factory since they are both from turkey? I’m curious myself. Its hard to beat the price of the panzer though at 550. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 9:14:18 PM EDT
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If somebody can get their hands on the panzer and verify if it has the metal trigger guard we may be able to differentiate between the gen 1 (or 1.5?) like the charles daly 601 DPS and the gen 2 like the toros copolla.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 11:31:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cdholmes]
[#18]
This is discouraging.
 Toros Arms/Four Peaks Imports Copolla T4- Range Review |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 12:41:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: M60-E4]
[#19]
As for the video above, definitely not my experience as I’ve shot over 300 rounds now of Speer Lawman and Winchester X Low Recoil, Full Power 00, Slugs, and some birdshot with zero malfunctions to date.
This video should answer the tube question. I also wonder if the tubes on the pistol grip stock vs the standard stock on the Toros T4s are the same or does the PG possibly have the same tube as their collapse stock gun.  Toros Arms/Four Peaks Imports Copolla T4 and Benelli M4- Comparison & Aftermarket |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:03:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M60-E4: As for the video above, definitely not my experience as I’ve shot over 300 rounds now of Speer Lawman and Winchester X Low Recoil, Full Power 00, Slugs, and some birdshot with zero malfunctions to date. This video should answer the tube question.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4kDhAjav4cWhere did you get yours |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:19:45 AM EDT
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Gun Broker.......AAA Ocala Armory
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:23:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M60-E4: As for the video above, definitely not my experience as I’ve shot over 300 rounds now of Speer Lawman and Winchester X Low Recoil, Full Power 00, Slugs, and some birdshot with zero malfunctions to date. This video should answer the tube question. I also wonder if the tubes on the pistol grip stock vs the standard stock on the Toros T4s are the same or does the PG possibly have the same tube as their collapse stock gun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4kDhAjav4cAccording to the reddit user that I have been messaging with (and posted his pics above) the tubes are identical. His friend bought the pistol grip model at the same time as he bought the standard model and they both removed the stocks. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:27:50 AM EDT
[#23]
Thanks
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:59:25 AM EDT
[#24]
Thanks..... guess I should have read your original post better.
M60-E4 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: According to the reddit user that I have been messaging with (and posted his pics above) the tubes are identical. His friend bought the pistol grip model at the same time as he bought the standard model and they both removed the stocks. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: Originally Posted By M60-E4: As for the video above, definitely not my experience as I’ve shot over 300 rounds now of Speer Lawman and Winchester X Low Recoil, Full Power 00, Slugs, and some birdshot with zero malfunctions to date. This video should answer the tube question. I also wonder if the tubes on the pistol grip stock vs the standard stock on the Toros T4s are the same or does the PG possibly have the same tube as their collapse stock gun. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4kDhAjav4cAccording to the reddit user that I have been messaging with (and posted his pics above) the tubes are identical. His friend bought the pistol grip model at the same time as he bought the standard model and they both removed the stocks. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 1:20:26 PM EDT
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I recently picked up an Emperor Arms MX5. All of these Turkish shotguns look very similar with dozens of different models. It is quite confusing.
As to the malfunctions in the video posted above. I've seen a few bone dry shotguns choke without lube. I lubed up the bolt and action bars on my MX5 before shooting it and haven't had a malfunction yet. Not a lot of rounds though. I also always pull the follower out of the magazine tube and run a patch down it. |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 10:35:41 PM EDT
[#26]
Screw it, ordered the panzer m4 from classic. Also ordered Dave’s metal works 7 round tube.
Someone commented on the classic YouTube video that they ordered their panzer on the 5th and received it on the 18th and it has a metal trigger guard. I’m excited! |
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Posted: 1/19/2021 10:42:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dwhitehorne: All of these Turkish shotguns look very similar with dozens of different models. It is quite confusing. Sulun Arms TAC-12  Copolla T4  (So far that's the only pic I've found of an SBS variant.) |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 12:16:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: M60-E4]
[#28]
That stock on the Toros Corolla T4 SBS looks great. Wish we could get those imported.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 12:56:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:19:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glockfan68: Here’s my clone... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/111848/22273BDD-068C-4C1A-B8A7-6A3418363102_jpe-1787645.JPG details? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:27:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: details? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2021 12:15:01 PM EDT
[#32]
Just pulled the trigger on the Panzer from CF. I couldn't get an answer on when more Four Peaks were coming in, so I went Panzer. Now the wait begins. Tube will be ordered next, and by that I mean after this.
Like I said I held the Four Peaks Copolla, and I really liked it. Just waited 1 day too many. So If the panzer is close, i'll be happy. Now watch, my FFL will call and say Four Peaks is in... Oh well. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 1:23:16 PM EDT
[#33]
Yep I couldn’t resist and picked up the Panzer Arms.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 2:47:05 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes: Yep I couldn’t resist and picked up the Panzer Arms. Sold out now. Hope they have enough stock for our orders! |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 3:01:00 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: Sold out now. Hope they have enough stock for our orders! I ordered one too. I’ve been at pending ffl verification since then. Its been 4 days. I hope thats doesn’t mess up my spot. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 3:04:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ivan1: I ordered one too. I’ve been at pending ffl verification since then. Its been 4 days. I hope thats doesn’t mess up my spot. My FFL was already on record, so my order updated to Processing: Ready For Picking shortly after I placed the order. Looks like I got in just in time. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2021 3:20:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: castroyy]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes: My FFL was already on record, so my order updated to Processing: Ready For Picking shortly after I placed the order. Looks like I got in just in time. Yeah. I have my FFL. THey had me on file. I was just himming and humming all morning. I have some of the Four Peaks on order, however who knows when that will be released. I figured a bird in the hand.... Plus I Can always sell the Panzer if I like the FOur Points better. Or vice versa. I am at the picking stage as well, and that happened almost immediately after checking out. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 4:49:01 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: Sold out now. Hope they have enough stock for our orders! Noooooo! I get screwed by my desire to research again. I had every intent on purchasing when I got home today. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:18:11 PM EDT
[#39]
I was bummed to miss out on the panzer. Hopefully some other ones come in stock.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:58:15 PM EDT
[#40]
I sure they are hammering away back in Turkey producing these things by the way they seem to be selling. Let’s just hope the new administration doesn’t start banning importation anytime soon......
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Posted: 1/20/2021 7:23:35 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M60-E4: I sure they are hammering away back in Turkey producing these things by the way they seem to be selling. Let’s just hope the new administration doesn’t start banning importation anytime soon...... You can almost guarantee that. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 8:57:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M60-E4]
[#42]
Ocala Armory has 2 of the standard stock T4s on GB.
Check out what I found on GunBroker.com! https://www.gunbroker.com/item/889811863 Toros Copolla T4 |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:06:30 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M60-E4: Ocala Armory has 2 of the standard stock T4s on GB. Check out what I found on GunBroker.com! https://www.gunbroker.com/item/889811863 Toros Copolla T4 Ooof that’s kinda steep. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:32:22 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xxbrotherhood77: Ooof that’s kinda steep. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/889775994 Here's another for a little bit cheaper. I actually prefer the standard "field" stock, but I figured for the price difference with the Panzer Arms I can deal with it. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:40:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cdholmes: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/889775994 Here's another for a little bit cheaper. I actually prefer the standard "field" stock, but I figured for the price difference with the Panzer Arms I can deal with it. $75 shipping. He’s just playing the game a little differently 
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:45:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: $75 shipping. He’s just playing the game a little differently Yeah that's definitely steep, but still over $100 cheaper than the other listing. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:50:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2021 9:52:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI’ll watch this one a bit. I signed up for in stock notification for just about every site with a charles Daly or a panzer. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:03:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: M60-E4]
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I wish I could have seen his initial review and why he sold it off so quickly....
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=25221202 |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 10:12:18 PM EDT
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Can’t believe nobody mentioned the Remington VersaMax seeing as they “borrowed” the gas system.
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