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Posted: 8/4/2020 6:35:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got my Battle Steel level IV plates delivered today. They are multicurve and fit my PC perfectly. Could not be more happy. ETA: I back ordered on 6/29, shipping label created on 7/28, and they delivered on 8/2. @bigvic Care to post pics? And if you have a scale, care to weight them? I'm curious if their weight matches the claimed weight, since that might suggest something about how carefully or carelessly they were manufactured. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:19:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Condor makes a variety of carriers, most of which are in the $50-$100 range. They're made in China and not known for holding up with long-term hard use. But if that's going to be a problem then you probably shouldn't be buying Botach plates either. For hard use, no, I wouldn't want to deploy w/them (although a couple of sandbox vets used them w/o complaint) but I have a Condor chest rig that has held up for class/range use over the years w/o problem. Tomac |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 8:40:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @bigvic Care to post pics? And if you have a scale, care to weight them? I'm curious if their weight matches the claimed weight, since that might suggest something about how carefully or carelessly they were manufactured. Mine weighed around 5.6 lbs |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 10:35:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Condor makes a variety of carriers, most of which are in the $50-$100 range. They're made in China and not known for holding up with long-term hard use. But if that's going to be a problem then you probably shouldn't be buying Botach plates either. Do you know of any recent vids showing how Condor rigs wear/fail? I'd like to know from seeing what the wear points look like. I've seen multiple people share complaints and talk about it being of lower quality historically, but nothing recent. In comparing construction of my MOPC to my Banshee I'm not seeing a ton of functional differences in material or assembly. Thanks |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 12:53:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @bigvic Care to post pics? And if you have a scale, care to weight them? I'm curious if their weight matches the claimed weight, since that might suggest something about how carefully or carelessly they were manufactured. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Got my Battle Steel level IV plates delivered today. They are multicurve and fit my PC perfectly. Could not be more happy. ETA: I back ordered on 6/29, shipping label created on 7/28, and they delivered on 8/2. @bigvic Care to post pics? And if you have a scale, care to weight them? I'm curious if their weight matches the claimed weight, since that might suggest something about how carefully or carelessly they were manufactured. Mine came in right around 5.7 lbs each. I really don't want to pull them back out of the carrier for pics, but they look just like they show on Botach's site. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:47:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got my Battle Steel level IV plates delivered today. They are multicurve and fit my PC perfectly. Could not be more happy. ETA: I back ordered on 6/29, shipping label created on 7/28, and they delivered on 8/2. I received mine today - (ordered on 7/03 the scheduled delivery was 8/06) |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 8:09:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know of any recent vids showing how Condor rigs wear/fail? I'd like to know from seeing what the wear points look like. I've seen multiple people share complaints and talk about it being of lower quality historically, but nothing recent. In comparing construction of my MOPC to my Banshee I'm not seeing a ton of functional differences in material or assembly. Thanks No, but I also don't know of any recent vids of Palmetto rifles or Primary Army red dots failing, either. They're perfectly good for what 99.999% of people will ever need to do with them, but if you plan to go run around doing ops and training in the mountains, deserts, and swamps then it might be a good idea to shell out for stuff made with more precise quality control like a DD rifle and an Aimpoint. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 8:10:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I received mine today - (ordered on 7/03 the scheduled delivery was 8/06) I ordered on 6/10 and still don't have a shipping label printed. Maybe it's because I'm ugly. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 9:10:12 PM EDT
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Anyone got a link to these? I can only find the single curve on their site.
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Posted: 8/4/2020 9:58:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone got a link to these? I can only find the single curve on their site. Yeah, they list it as a single curve, but everyone is getting multi curves, weird..... 
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Posted: 8/5/2020 6:04:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone got a link to these? I can only find the single curve on their site. What size? The 10x12 4 is multi. 3+ was single. |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 8:33:03 AM EDT
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I'm looking for 10x12 multi level 4
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Posted: 8/5/2020 8:47:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm looking for 10x12 multi level 4 Then yes, they're multi. |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 10:57:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, but I also don't know of any recent vids of Palmetto rifles or Primary Army red dots failing, either. They're perfectly good for what 99.999% of people will ever need to do with them, but if you plan to go run around doing ops and training in the mountains, deserts, and swamps then it might be a good idea to shell out for stuff made with more precise quality control like a DD rifle and an Aimpoint. I see where you're coming from. But I was more curious how they fail rather than focusing on if. |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 5:39:51 PM EDT
[#15]
Got my level IV plates in today from Botach and they are multi curved like everyone else is posting receiving from Botach. Look to be solid plates for a hell of a price.
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Posted: 8/5/2020 5:50:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Got my level IV plates in today from Botach and they are multi curved like everyone else is posting receiving from Botach. Look to be solid plates for a hell of a price. Same same. Very pleased with these. The outer cloth wrap is nice and tight too. |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 5:52:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then yes, they're multi. Only thing I see on their site for Battle Steel Level IV is single curve. Level III+ has both options. |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 6:18:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only thing I see on their site for Battle Steel Level IV is single curve. Level III+ has both options. For whatever reason, they are marked as "single curve". They are not. This is the Battle Steel Level IV "Single Curve" I received today;   If that ain't multi-curve then IDK what is. |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 7:39:29 PM EDT
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Mine should be coming today sometime!
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Posted: 8/5/2020 8:06:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Only thing I see on their site for Battle Steel Level IV is single curve. Level III+ has both options. This is what you seek Plate |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 8:29:32 PM EDT
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All you guys who ordered in July are getting your plates and I placed my order on 6/10 and still haven't gotten a shipping label notification.
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Posted: 8/5/2020 8:44:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All you guys who ordered in July are getting your plates and I placed my order on 6/10 and still haven't gotten a shipping label notification. I ordered on 7/18 and got them today. I think somethings going on with yours |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 1:01:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ordered on 7/18 and got them today. I think somethings going on with yours I do have a flashlight also on the same order. So I considered that they might be waiting for that flashlight to get in stock. But it says 37 in stock. On one hand, they obviously have a reputation for lying about what they actually have in stock. On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing how a $35 handheld flashlight would really be holding the order up. People don't exactly tend to make panic runs on handheld flashlights. |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 1:08:06 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I do have a flashlight also on the same order. So I considered that they might be waiting for that flashlight to get in stock. But it says 37 in stock. On one hand, they obviously have a reputation for lying about what they actually have in stock. On the other hand, I have a hard time seeing how a $35 handheld flashlight would really be holding the order up. People don't exactly tend to make panic runs on handheld flashlights. Did you update your payment info 28 days after you ordered? |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 1:28:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you update your payment info 28 days after you ordered? What? Edit: Going back and reading through the thread, I see what you're talking about now. No, I didn't update my payment info. That miiiight be the problem. |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 9:59:42 AM EDT
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To you guys who have recently received your plates...
Do you mind sharing order to delivery dates and also if you ordered as a guest or have an account with Botach? |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 10:30:41 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To you guys who have recently received your plates... Do you mind sharing order to delivery dates and also if you ordered as a guest or have an account with Botach? @Clockwork138 Ordered III+ plates on 7/9, received 7/28 and I do have an account w/them. Tomac |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 10:32:44 AM EDT
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Ordered 4 level 4 plates on 6/19 - received 8/5 - ordered as guest.
I really didn't think I would get them, so I ordered some of the LA Police gear plates.....now I got double. FYI - the wife likes the multi curve battle steel much better than the LA Police plates. Its a lot better on "the girls". |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 11:00:46 AM EDT
[#29]
Are there any valid coupons floating around? Probably gonna order a set of these.
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Posted: 8/6/2020 5:45:05 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To you guys who have recently received your plates... Do you mind sharing order to delivery dates and also if you ordered as a guest or have an account with Botach? I ordered on 7/03 and received on 8/4 - I have an account. Now if those L210s from KOTA would just get here I'll be a happy camper. 
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Posted: 8/6/2020 5:55:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ordered on 7/03 and received on 8/4 - I have an account. Now if those L210s from KOTA would just get here I'll be a happy camper. I want some l210’s.  |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 7:41:23 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To you guys who have recently received your plates... Do you mind sharing order to delivery dates and also if you ordered as a guest or have an account with Botach? Ordered June 30, received Aug 5. Have account. |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 10:57:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Only thing I see on their site for Battle Steel Level IV is single curve. Level III+ has both options. This is what you seek Plate And this has a full strike face too, from edge to edge? If yes, how are they saving weight and keeping lvl 4 protection? |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 11:00:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And this has a full strike face too, from edge to edge? If yes, how are they saving weight and keeping lvl 4 protection? |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 1:16:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are there any valid coupons floating around? Probably gonna order a set of these. No. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 5:18:03 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 3/8" of foam around the edges My plates are actually less then that. Under 1/4" on the edges. I'll get some pics. As far as saving weight, i don't know. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 8:36:41 AM EDT
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Well I ended up ordering the LVL4 plates that are advertised as single curve for $99 based on people's responses that they are in fact multicurve. I kind of wanted an extra set of plates for a spare PC setup and these will work fine for a cheap affordable setup that should reliably stop handgun rounds and up to 556.
Yes I know there are videos of them stopping higher powered threats but the amount of BFD would cave in a person's chest so it's kind of irrelevant. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 4:19:22 PM EDT
[#38]
Just got my second shipment of them. Different logo on the front, same plate.
Instead of just saying "strike face", they used a big "Batle Steel" logo over the whole front surface. ...anyone else smell a price hike on the horizon? |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 7:10:23 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just got my second shipment of them. Different logo on the front, same plate. Instead of just saying "strike face", they used a big "Batle Steel" logo over the whole front surface. ...anyone else smell a price hike on the horizon? Still multicurve and still very minimal reduction to strike face around edges? Same dimensions for L x H x depth? |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 7:20:18 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still multicurve and still very minimal reduction to strike face around edges? Same dimensions for L x H x depth? Yup. |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 9:08:19 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just got my second shipment of them. Different logo on the front, same plate. Instead of just saying "strike face", they used a big "Batle Steel" logo over the whole front surface. ...anyone else smell a price hike on the horizon? |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 9:13:02 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pic? It's the same logo now seen on their site for the plates. Take a look. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 8:22:35 AM EDT
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Am I supposed to update my payment info by sending it to them in an email? Or update it on the website? I'm not keen on sending my credit card info over an email.
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:50:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I supposed to update my payment info by sending it to them in an email? Or update it on the website? I'm not keen on sending my credit card info over an email. I went through the same BS as you. Ordered on 6/17 and just barely got shipping status. I emailed a couple of times and got the auto response. Finally a couple of weeks ago someone actually responded and said to email my CC info to them to update payment or give a phone number they could call to take payment over phone. Left a number and waited a week. Finally got a call last week which I missed, but had a call back number. Gave my CC over phone which I dont like, but no other option, payment info on website wont work (which is retarded). CS rep said they get big shippments every week and they just go down the list by order date. Unless, of course your order is over 28 days old, at which point your order goes into limbo and they dont give a fuck about you. I told the rep she better make sure my invoice is top of the list. Got ship notification yesterday. If your order date is over 28 days and your card hasn't been charged you will never receive your order. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 1:39:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I went through the same BS as you. Ordered on 6/17 and just barely got shipping status. I emailed a couple of times and got the auto response. Finally a couple of weeks ago someone actually responded and said to email my CC info to them to update payment or give a phone number they could call to take payment over phone. Left a number and waited a week. Finally got a call last week which I missed, but had a call back number. Gave my CC over phone which I dont like, but no other option, payment info on website wont work (which is retarded). CS rep said they get big shippments every week and they just go down the list by order date. Unless, of course your order is over 28 days old, at which point your order goes into limbo and they dont give a fuck about you. I told the rep she better make sure my invoice is top of the list. Got ship notification yesterday. If your order date is over 28 days and your card hasn't been charged you will never receive your order. Well thank goodness I frequent ARFCOM so I can find out about this stuff. The $99 multicurve plates are worth putting up with the bullshit, but they really are an amazingly incompetent company. The whole reason the Botach plates are so popular is because they're multicurved. Plenty of plates are budget friendly, but Botach's Level IV is unique in that it's the only budget friendly plate that's also multicurved. If someone could make a US-made non-certified Level III+ poly/ceramic plate that's multicurved and within $100-$150 each and be from a company that doesn't lie about what they actually have in stock and has customer service that isn't insane, that would kill the market for the Botachs. It would also sell out faster than they can make them, even during salad days conditions. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:00:37 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well thank goodness I frequent ARFCOM so I can find out about this stuff. The $99 multicurve plates are worth putting up with the bullshit, but they really are an amazingly incompetent company. The whole reason the Botach plates are so popular is because they're multicurved. Plenty of plates are budget friendly, but Botach's Level IV is unique in that it's the only budget friendly plate that's also multicurved. If someone could make a US-made non-certified Level III+ poly/ceramic plate that's multicurved and within $100-$150 each and be from a company that doesn't lie about what they actually have in stock and has customer service that isn't insane, that would kill the market for the Botachs. It would also sell out faster than they can make them, even during salad days conditions. Can’t lie, they did come thru this last time though. I ordered on 7/18 and they said they would get them on 7/28. They did and shipped them out. I was going to cancel if they didn’t just cause of their history. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 2:12:53 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can’t lie, they did come thru this last time though. I ordered on 7/18 and they said they would get them on 7/28. They did and shipped them out. I was going to cancel if they didn’t just cause of their history. Well, I'm definitely setting up a pre-paid card to give them if they want me to send my payment info over email. |
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Posted: 8/13/2020 9:39:03 PM EDT
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I ordered on 6/4, my card was charged the full amount, I got the shipping notification the next day and nothing. The tracking number doesny help because it hasnt left the warehouse.
I've emailed a bunch and gotten auto replies and a few replies from people that say they're busy but plates are coming in every week. They said they stopped answering phones. I never got a refund back to my card at any time. I emailed them again today with my order number and asked where I am in the queue and when the next batch is coming in. I recieved an auto reply a few hours later. |
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Posted: 8/14/2020 3:00:12 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: (Back)Ordered the level IV $99 special on 7/25. Update Received shipping notification on 8/13, scheduled UPS delivery on Monday 8/17. |
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Posted: 8/14/2020 4:03:39 PM EDT
[#50]
Ordered the IV $99 plates on 7/30....still says “awaiting processing”. Emailed several times asking for update, just got back the auto reply.
Today they sent me an email asking me to review the item haha. |
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