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Posted: 9/11/2020 11:57:43 AM EDT
[#1]
BLC2 meters better through my Dillon, but I’ve had great consistency out of hand loaded 4064 so I guess it just depends how you load it and what you’re expecting.
With rando bullets, I’d say use the BLC2 |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 1:57:35 PM EDT
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Thanks GAZ32.
Lunch is done but I got a few minutes. I’m happy to go with BLC(2)since I have a pound on the rack as opposed to fumbling with an 8#! For load development like this I’ll use a Redding powder dispenser, measuring each Load. I hope you can understand that I’m having issues with correct verbiage when I’m rushing or excited these days. As long as I don’t ship the wrong books to amazon or bullets to arfers then I’m golden. Back to work back to work back to work |
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Posted: 9/13/2020 9:33:34 AM EDT
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Either will work well.
BLC2 isn't very stable with temp so keep that in mind if you are approaching max loads. |
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Posted: 9/13/2020 12:49:25 PM EDT
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My experience is with BLC2 and IMR 30331, however I would probably go with 4064 if I didn't already have an 8lb jug of BLC2 on the shelf.
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Posted: 9/13/2020 1:16:07 PM EDT
[#5]
The short time I had a M1A I used BLC2, worked fine.
Just don't store you ammo in the sun before you shoot it. I never had a problem, but I'm not in Texas. |
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Posted: 9/13/2020 1:21:25 PM EDT
[#6]
BLC2 is slower than 4064, but still in the useful range for good performance in the cartridge class for a 147 grain bullet. You can’t go wrong.
Pick one or both and go have fun! |
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Posted: 9/16/2020 9:43:16 PM EDT
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I started with 3031 but it's all gone now.
I'll go BLC2 when I go. Thanks all. |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 7:00:48 AM EDT
[#8]
BLC2 is faster (burn rate) than H335 or TAC. IMR4064 is slower than Varget which is slower than IMR4895. At least on the burn rate charts I've seen.
Never tried BLC2 in a .308. Never got good groups from H335 in an M1A. Next ball powder I experiment with in .308 will be TAC (it did pretty good in .30-06 with 150 grain bullets in my M1 Garand). |
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Posted: 9/17/2020 10:55:05 AM EDT
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4064 is stick powder. I hand weigh it. Doesn't meter for shit.
I use the BLC2 in .308 and I like it. |
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Posted: 9/19/2020 11:45:52 AM EDT
[#10]
Brass is trimmed & primed in the tray. Going with BLC(2), starting at 45...
Advice on next load: 45.3 then 45.6 & 45.9 then check for pressure? It'll be a bit before I start dropping powder so chime in if you can help. Thanks guys |
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Posted: 9/19/2020 12:16:34 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Brass is trimmed & primed in the tray. Going with BLC(2), starting at 45... Advice on next load: 45.3 then 45.6 & 45.9 then check for pressure? It'll be a bit before I start dropping powder so chime in if you can help. Thanks guys *Hodgdon 2020 reloading manual page 119. |
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Posted: 9/19/2020 12:39:01 PM EDT
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Going of the online template I'm starting at 45 gr.
My question is how far up should my next one be; I think I listed 45.3, goin up .3gr a couple of times. |
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Posted: 9/19/2020 12:42:21 PM EDT
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Up to 45.9 then look over the cases for pressure signs. The range is 20 minutes from my house so I can come back tomorrow with bigger loads.
Thanks dryflash. |
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Posted: 9/19/2020 1:30:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Up to 45.9 then look over the cases for pressure signs. The range is 20 minutes from my house so I can come back tomorrow with bigger loads. Thanks dryflash. I watch for pressure signs as I work up, and expect to have to pull some loads that I don't fire. |
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Posted: 9/19/2020 1:37:31 PM EDT
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Roger that. It's not like I don't have much brass.
I'll post numbers after I get some rounds off. Thanks for the direction. |
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Posted: 9/19/2020 1:51:39 PM EDT
[#16]
In for results.
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Posted: 9/19/2020 2:00:07 PM EDT
[#17]
I had excellent results with BLC(2) in my M1a and ARs. Win. 748 as well.
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Posted: 9/19/2020 9:30:06 PM EDT
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I use BL(C)-2 for for my 308 gas guns. Meters very well through my Dillon powder measure. Consistent charge weight. Very happy with it. And I have a bunch on hand.
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Posted: 9/19/2020 11:33:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BLC2 is faster (burn rate) than H335 or TAC. IMR4064 is slower than Varget which is slower than IMR4895. At least on the burn rate charts I've seen. Never tried BLC2 in a .308. Never got good groups from H335 in an M1A. Next ball powder I experiment with in .308 will be TAC (it did pretty good in .30-06 with 150 grain bullets in my M1 Garand). BLC2(110) is quite a bit slower than either H335(86) or TAC(92) and is right next to CFE223. BLC2 works well in .223(and 5.56) and 308. I just shot some .223 loaded with a 55 gr. bullet and 27 gr. of BLC-2 that I loaded and stored over 30 years ago. |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 7:27:46 AM EDT
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The IMR burn rate chart shows BLC2 being even slower than Varget or IMR4320, making it not an M1A or M1 Garand recommended powder.
The Hodgdon burn rate chart shows shows the same thing, identical is seems. Western powder company burn rate charge shows BLC2 being one step/level on the chart faster than H335 and TAC but the same burn rate as W748. Like reloading data from the various powder/bullet companies, it's different and it changes over time. The PDFs I downloaded a few years back seem to be changed (at the powder companies) as of this morning, except for the Western Powder Co. charts. |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 10:07:19 AM EDT
[#21]
Well hell.
But that is why I prefer the pdf-style of powder manuals. Thanks M1A4ME. |
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Posted: 9/22/2020 10:20:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BLC2 meters better through my Dillon, but I’ve had great consistency out of hand loaded 4064 so I guess it just depends how you load it and what you’re expecting. With rando bullets, I’d say use the BLC2 yep. I would keep the load lighter than mid range and drive on with the ball powder. I am not even a fan of ball powder but for mystery bullets they are in no way worth the effort to throw lincoln log sized 4064 and trickling them up. Ball powder makes sense to make blasting loads. my personal opinions with ball powders based on my personal experiences...... with ball powders like Win748, Ballc2, Wc844 I got great loads developed for both the M1a and the AR. The problem was as already mentioned, a load worked up in Spring temps changes quickly in hot temps. Sub moa groups blow out to 3 moa, sudden appearance of flat primers can occur. I still use ball powder at times but I deal with it like snake handling. Spring work ups for summer use is kept lower charged. No safety issues with summer work up for cooler hunting season temps. Expect V drop and possible group widening. Just my $0.02 from an internet schmoe. |
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Posted: 9/22/2020 10:37:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BLC2 is slower than 4064, but still in the useful range for good performance in the cartridge class for a 147 grain bullet. You can’t go wrong. O Pick one or both and go have fun! BLC2 is slower than any 4064 and probably the slowest powder useable in a M1A. It will produce more port pressure because of the charge weights. IMR-4064 is very close to 4895 and works fine in M1A's. I use 40.5 to 41.0 grains of IMR-4064 in my M1A's with Lake City brass and 168 grain SMK's. You can easily increase these charges 1.0 whole grain when using 145's. |
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Posted: 9/25/2020 12:41:05 PM EDT
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Short story: I can't hit a 9x12 target at 100 yds. Anywhere on the paper.
So, I asked a range buddy to replay this and shoot it himself this morning but he forgot so I will be updating this to pass on the powder results but it won't be me shooting and my m1a will be offered up after this little experiment is overwith. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 6:29:21 PM EDT
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Get bigger paper!
An SR1 target is about 21x21”. It has an appropriate sized black bull for iron sights at 100 yards,...about 6” black. You can copy that with a pizza box and a black marker for low buck, a sheet of newspaper or a side of a large cardboard box for a backer works to cover all the old target frame holes to let you find yours. BTDT  Any reasonable load should hold 4” with iron sights at 100 y. You just have to find it and adjust your sights it sounds like to me. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 7:51:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Short story: I can't hit a 9x12 target at 100 yds. Anywhere on the paper. So, I asked a range buddy to replay this and shoot it himself this morning but he forgot so I will be updating this to pass on the powder results but it won't be me shooting and my m1a will be offered up after this little experiment is overwith. |
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Posted: 9/27/2020 8:10:25 PM EDT
[#27]
blc2 is dirty as hell
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Posted: 9/27/2020 9:56:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: blc2 is dirty as hell It works fine for me, but I am at the higher end of loads. A lot of powders are dirty if loaded light. |
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Posted: 9/29/2020 9:10:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BLC2 is faster (burn rate) than H335 or TAC. IMR4064 is slower than Varget which is slower than IMR4895. At least on the burn rate charts I've seen. Never tried BLC2 in a .308. Never got good groups from H335 in an M1A. Next ball powder I experiment with in .308 will be TAC (it did pretty good in .30-06 with 150 grain bullets in my M1 Garand). I'll keep that in mind for Garand loads. Eventually I'll get one. I've had good luck with 150 @ 43.5gr, 155 @ 43.2gr, 165 @ 42gr and 168 @ 41 maybe 42gr for the .308. |
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