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Posted: 11/12/2021 10:21:53 AM EDT
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Tnvc just posted an announcement in the industry forum
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Posted: 11/12/2021 10:22:32 AM EDT
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TNVC and Silent Solutions on Instagram have a couple of posts up about it too. I’m VERY interested.
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Posted: 11/12/2021 10:42:09 AM EDT
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I’ll be ordering as soon as they go up. Great loooking product. There are some comparison pics vs the mawl on FB.
For my cnvd lr guns, this will be perfect. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 11:29:49 AM EDT
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Nice, after reading more, i am really stoked for this product. I have a MAWL so I don’t necessarily see a need or a gap for this to fill, but my takeaway is that if i ever need to sell the MAWL for other projects, i can get this and not lose that fantastic long-range illumination (with some size and weight savings to boot)
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Posted: 11/12/2021 11:59:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll be ordering as soon as they go up. Great loooking product. There are some comparison pics vs the mawl on FB. For my cnvd lr guns, this will be perfect. They're available now on the website. ~Augee |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 12:30:12 PM EDT
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How long is the operation on one battery?
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Posted: 11/12/2021 12:32:50 PM EDT
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The way I am seeing this being used is essentially IR illumination for passive aiming.
Cool product. Personally, don’t feel like this is marketed to civi’s like me. I do train aiming passively but really only shoot stuff with an IR laser. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 12:42:40 PM EDT
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I heard there was going to be a live event on IG by TNVC at 8p est. See yall there.
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Posted: 11/12/2021 12:45:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The way I am seeing this being used is essentially IR illumination for passive aiming. Cool product. Personally, don’t feel like this is marketed to civi’s like me. I do train aiming passively but really only shoot stuff with an IR laser. Yes it is IR illumination only, but you can pair it with a laser only (like the Tor mini) and have the best of both worlds at a much lower price point than the MAWL. Since it is supposed to be compatible with Surefire switches and mounts, it looks like a really awesome product. I’m excited to try it out. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 12:47:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How long is the operation on one battery? From B.E. Meyers .... Battery Life:KIJI-K1-03: i. Short Answer: 4hr 15min at full power at full power constant on. ii. Longer Answer: At Power Level 4 (PL4 of 150mw) the KIJI 3 degree will run for approximately 4 hours and 15 minutes (constant on/firing) before output power starts to ramp, and then another 30 min until the output power has fallen to 10% of the original set point (so down to 15mw). So, technically stays on even longer. KIJI-K1-10 i. Short Answer: 1hr 12min at full power constant on. ii. Long Answer: At Power Level 4 (PL4 of 350mw) will run for approximately 1 hour and 12 minutes (constant on/firing) before power begins to ramp, and then another 46 min until the output power has fallen to 10% of the original set point (so down to 35mw). |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 12:53:32 PM EDT
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I’m thinking this is going to replace my Dbal A3 UHP for long range stuff. Looks like it’s going to be awesome, will update when I receive mine.
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Posted: 11/12/2021 12:55:54 PM EDT
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 ~Augee |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 1:18:21 PM EDT
[#13]
I wonder if these are constant on with a double tap. One of these and a CQBL would be a pretty nice setup for the money.
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Posted: 11/12/2021 1:22:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if these are constant on with a double tap. One of these and a CQBL would be a pretty nice setup for the money. They come standard with a click cap similar to the Surefire Z68 clicky, soft press for momentary and/or to cycle Power Levels, hard press for constant. They will work with remote switches like the TAPS and TAPS SYNC, but you would not have the constant-on double tap function, you would need to press the tailcap (if you were using a DS00 tailcap for example) to get constant on. Switches like the Surefire SR07 and Unity Hot Button will give you constant-on capability as is standard with their configuration. ~Augee |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 2:24:36 PM EDT
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What the power output reprogramming look like? Is it a whole "super Mario cheat code" button press combination or something that can be done somewhat on the fly?
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Posted: 11/12/2021 2:26:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What the power output reprogramming look like? Is it a whole "super Mario cheat code" button press combination or something that can be done somewhat on the fly? Programming requires you to enter a programming mode--the unit will come with a user guide that explains the programming process, but it's not something that I suspect most people will be doing in the field. It's more of a pre-set kind of thing based on the different programming modes available, and accessed through the programming "codes," as you noted. ~Augee |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 3:27:40 PM EDT
[#17]
 KIJI K1-10 on Sig MCX Rattler in 300BLK. The 10 degree illuminator and 40 degree diffuser should be very effective for the ranges that the Rattler will be used at, especially for passive aiming with the tall mounted EOTech, with the TOR-MINI IR VPC (v)2 providing a back-up IR aiming laser capability, while a Surefire M300C with Hot Button provides white light capabilities. Nice, small, compact, and very very capable package. ~Augee |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 4:03:52 PM EDT
[#18]
Really want to see some FPV video of this thing.
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Posted: 11/12/2021 4:36:09 PM EDT
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New to NV… but I’m confused to what this offers. An excellent IR illuminator for helmet mounts?
As this doesn’t have an IR laser like the mawl… what benefit does it offer to shooting? I get the illumination for passive aiming… but if you’re already using your IR illuminator, aren’t you already giving up your covert passive status and should be activating IR laser too? |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 4:42:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/468022/17A21352-D0D9-43CE-ADED-2F1318D0C2E0-2164293.jpg KIJI K1-10 on Sig MCX Rattler in 300BLK. The 10 degree illuminator and 40 degree diffuser should be very effective for the ranges that the Rattler will be used at, especially for passive aiming with the tall mounted EOTech, with the TOR-MINI IR VPC (v)2 providing a back-up IR aiming laser capability, while a Surefire M300C with Hot Button provides white light capabilities. Nice, small, compact, and very very capable package. ~Augee Sure release the package deal right after I get a tor  I've been looking over the #s of the 2 different types and I'm gonna need to borrow your brain. I was looking at a Surefire x300v. We have X400irc on pistols and they're great for seeing through the brush when most illuminators glare off of it. Which one would mimic the Surefire on the low setting but have more throw a fancy tap away. Also if I was using a st07 pressure switch my understanding is there would be no constant on but would I be able to cycle through the power settings with the right combo of taps? |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 4:52:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New to NV… but I’m confused to what this offers. An excellent IR illuminator for helmet mounts? As this doesn’t have an IR laser like the mawl… what benefit does it offer to shooting? I get the illumination for passive aiming… but if you’re already using your IR illuminator, aren’t you already giving up your covert passive status and should be activating IR laser too? There are a couple of switch systems that will let you activate this IR illuminator and a laser simultaneously. So $1300 vs $2300 MAWL or $1500 D2. KIJI $650 Steiner OTAL C IR- $500 TAPS SYNC- $150 |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 5:25:45 PM EDT
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Where does this fall in, starting with a SF 1-cell Vampire, 2-cell Vampire, Malkoff 250, Malkoff 700?
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Posted: 11/12/2021 5:32:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New to NV but I'm confused to what this offers. An excellent IR illuminator for helmet mounts? As this doesn't have an IR laser like the mawl what benefit does it offer to shooting? I get the illumination for passive aiming but if you're already using your IR illuminator, aren't you already giving up your covert passive status and should be activating IR laser too? Civilian IR aiming lasers are easily sourced, and honestly the civilian power level is fine. If you want a good illuminator though, that disqualifies all the ATPIAL-C/DBAL A3/i2, etc. You can go with Dbal D2 or the new CTF1, or Arisaka/Modlite IR heads but they are LED (and all but the D2 have some performance quirks). PERST3 is Russian and probably violates ITAR to send it back for service. MAWL is good but also $3000. What this offers is better than MAWL C+ long range laser illuminator performance, with a mid/close range setting (diffusor cap), in a small compact Scout light format that works with existing mounts and switches at 1/5th the price of the MAWL. For those who want that kind of performance, it will likely be an easy choice to go with this KIJI+separate IR laser for that price point. If you're using a clip on night vision device, this will be awesome. I haven't seen anyone post Nick's video yet. He compares them to a MAWL.  B E Meyers KIJI K1 test |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 6:13:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: this isn't going to be for everyone, but it does answer a gap in the current market - which is a durable laser-based illuminator that is civilian legal and powerful enough to reach out while not being gray market, and also [relatively] cheap - also modular and working with existing accessories. Civilian IR aiming lasers are easily sourced, and honestly the civilian power level is fine. If you want a good illuminator though, that disqualifies all the ATPIAL-C/DBAL A3/i2, etc. You can go with Dbal D2 or the new CTF1, or Arisaka/Modlite IR heads but they are LED (and all but the D2 have some performance quirks). PERST3 is Russian and probably violates ITAR to send it back for service. MAWL is good but also $3000. What this offers is better than MAWL C+ long range laser illuminator performance, with a mid/close range setting (diffusor cap), in a small compact Scout light format that works with existing mounts and switches at 1/5th the price of the MAWL. For those who want that kind of performance, it will likely be an easy choice to go with this KIJI+separate IR laser for that price point. If you're using a clip on night vision device, this will be awesome. I haven't seen anyone post Nick's video yet. He compares them to a MAWL.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aKr8vJKBKcDamn good posting right here. Spot on. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 6:16:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: this isn't going to be for everyone, but it does answer a gap in the current market - which is a durable laser-based illuminator that is civilian legal and powerful enough to reach out while not being gray market, and also [relatively] cheap - also modular and working with existing accessories. Civilian IR aiming lasers are easily sourced, and honestly the civilian power level is fine. If you want a good illuminator though, that disqualifies all the ATPIAL-C/DBAL A3/i2, etc. You can go with Dbal D2 or the new CTF1, or Arisaka/Modlite IR heads but they are LED (and all but the D2 have some performance quirks). PERST3 is Russian and probably violates ITAR to send it back for service. MAWL is good but also $3000. What this offers is better than MAWL C+ long range laser illuminator performance, with a mid/close range setting (diffusor cap), in a small compact Scout light format that works with existing mounts and switches at 1/5th the price of the MAWL. For those who want that kind of performance, it will likely be an easy choice to go with this KIJI+separate IR laser for that price point. If you're using a clip on night vision device, this will be awesome. I haven't seen anyone post Nick's video yet. He compares them to a MAWL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aKr8vJKBKcI'm too distracted that he said he has an X1 reprogrammed to a C1+ |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 6:26:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm too distracted that he said he has an X1 reprogrammed to a C1+ B. E. Meyers released a few, IIRC through Weapon Outfitters earlier this year? Maybe last year? They were X1 marked trade-in sample units that were refurbished and reset to C1+ output levels and sold without warranty. ~Augee |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 6:47:44 PM EDT
[#27]
OK to answer my own question, it would appear this is a next level unit to the ones I posted. So good for long rifles and clip-ons, got it.
How would the Steiner Mini-Tor/KIJI package compare to say a LS117IR and Vampire 2-cell? Also the next step up? Would Steiner consider putting a plug port on the Tor? |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 6:53:45 PM EDT
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I too got a notification from Steele indust on this.
Smaller than the Z-Bolt, but twice the price. Very nice none the less. We now need a matching LEP white light version same size and the battle between "Z-Bolt" and "Meyers" aux illuminators can begin. Steiner CQBL-1 or Holosun LE221 set ups will be complete now having two vendors producing acceptable long throw adj IR illuminators. I'm sure others aren't far behind. S.H.O.T. should be interesting this year. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 6:57:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: this isn't going to be for everyone, but it does answer a gap in the current market - which is a durable laser-based illuminator that is civilian legal and powerful enough to reach out while not being gray market, and also [relatively] cheap - also modular and working with existing accessories. Civilian IR aiming lasers are easily sourced, and honestly the civilian power level is fine. If you want a good illuminator though, that disqualifies all the ATPIAL-C/DBAL A3/i2, etc. You can go with Dbal D2 or the new CTF1, or Arisaka/Modlite IR heads but they are LED (and all but the D2 have some performance quirks). PERST3 is Russian and probably violates ITAR to send it back for service. MAWL is good but also $3000. What this offers is better than MAWL C+ long range laser illuminator performance, with a mid/close range setting (diffusor cap), in a small compact Scout light format that works with existing mounts and switches at 1/5th the price of the MAWL. For those who want that kind of performance, it will likely be an easy choice to go with this KIJI+separate IR laser for that price point. If you're using a clip on night vision device, this will be awesome. I haven't seen anyone post Nick's video yet. He compares them to a MAWL. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aKr8vJKBKcDamnit. I think you sold me one. This place always costs me money. 
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Posted: 11/12/2021 7:06:13 PM EDT
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Uh just seeing if that was a fucking joke or if I could post past it.
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Posted: 11/12/2021 7:36:18 PM EDT
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I've never used a Mepro MOR, with the integrated slaved aiming lasers, but this would be a pretty neat combo with that. I just wish there was a way to fire the aiming laser and VCSEL illuminator at the same time.
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Posted: 11/12/2021 7:49:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OK to answer my own question, it would appear this is a next level unit to the ones I posted. So good for long rifles and clip-ons, got it. How would the Steiner Mini-Tor/KIJI package compare to say a LS117IR and Vampire 2-cell? Also the next step up? Would Steiner consider putting a plug port on the Tor? The size, price point, and intended use of TOR, as well as the existence of the OTAL-C are all reasons for Steiner to not consider adding a plug port to the TOR My biggest fear of the KIJI is washing out of any civilian laser paired with it. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 8:08:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The size, price point, and intended use of TOR, as well as the existence of the OTAL-C are all reasons for Steiner to not consider adding a plug port to the TOR My biggest fear of the KIJI is washing out of any civilian laser paired with it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OK to answer my own question, it would appear this is a next level unit to the ones I posted. So good for long rifles and clip-ons, got it. How would the Steiner Mini-Tor/KIJI package compare to say a LS117IR and Vampire 2-cell? Also the next step up? Would Steiner consider putting a plug port on the Tor? The size, price point, and intended use of TOR, as well as the existence of the OTAL-C are all reasons for Steiner to not consider adding a plug port to the TOR My biggest fear of the KIJI is washing out of any civilian laser paired with it. Yes it would add $150-200 more for a port. We talked a lot about this during the early design phase with Steiner. Initially priorities was price point to compete with all the Chinese offerings. We needed to stick to simplicity as best we could without the extra cost points. The Tor has the three settings, .2mW .4 and .7. You should have no issues while at the .7mW setting. Thank you |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 8:13:39 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OK to answer my own question, it would appear this is a next level unit to the ones I posted. So good for long rifles and clip-ons, got it. How would the Steiner Mini-Tor/KIJI package compare to say a LS117IR and Vampire 2-cell? Also the next step up? Would Steiner consider putting a plug port on the Tor? Augee covered the port on the Tori recently. As I recall he said designing it with a port would have knocked them out of the price point they were looking to come in at, and adding in a port would require a redesign as it is not easily done. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 8:51:53 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OK to answer my own question, it would appear this is a next level unit to the ones I posted. So good for long rifles and clip-ons, got it. How would the Steiner Mini-Tor/KIJI package compare to say a LS117IR and Vampire 2-cell? Also the next step up? Would Steiner consider putting a plug port on the Tor? If you check out the link in op there's 2 types. One is 3° with a 10° diffuser and the other is 10° with a 40° diffuser. The 3° has a max output of 150mw and the 10° is max 350mw. Hopefully we'll get more info on how this effects throw. I'm assuming the one with the narrower beam has more throw even though it's technically lower powered. If I was to guess I'd say the 10° is like a vampire on steroids and the 3° is more for the longer range stuff. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 8:59:50 PM EDT
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Yeah OK I remember that, so OK an OTAL would fit the bill here nicely. Funny last week I was asking about lower price points for "blue collar" LAMS, and here we are. This is a legit offering to lower the price-point and compete with foreign imports. Wished someone would have said that last week. IF the plug port on the OTAL gets un-fucked, where there are no issues with a SF or TAPS switch, then this would be a nice combo with this new illum. Props to TNVC and Steiner for that. It's not like I got stock (or in-laws) in Chinese, but right now the 117IR is what works for me. Paired with a Vampire and a TAPS, I'm where I need to be. But this would be a significant upgrade, if both the OTAL and this new illum work out.
You know actually, I could see using either version; the close up "CQB" one for supplementing the worthless illum on the ATPIAL-equipped rifles, and the long throw for to supplement the IR pointer only units on my longer rifles. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 9:06:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you check out the link in op there's 2 types. One is 3° with a 10° diffuser and the other is 10° with a 40° diffuser. The 3° has a max output of 150mw and the 10° is max 350mw. Hopefully we'll get more info on how this effects throw. I'm assuming the one with the narrower beam has more throw even though it's technically lower powered. If I was to guess I'd say the 10° is like a vampire on steroids and the 3° is more for the longer range stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OK to answer my own question, it would appear this is a next level unit to the ones I posted. So good for long rifles and clip-ons, got it. How would the Steiner Mini-Tor/KIJI package compare to say a LS117IR and Vampire 2-cell? Also the next step up? Would Steiner consider putting a plug port on the Tor? If you check out the link in op there's 2 types. One is 3° with a 10° diffuser and the other is 10° with a 40° diffuser. The 3° has a max output of 150mw and the 10° is max 350mw. Hopefully we'll get more info on how this effects throw. I'm assuming the one with the narrower beam has more throw even though it's technically lower powered. If I was to guess I'd say the 10° is like a vampire on steroids and the 3° is more for the longer range stuff. Scroll back up to the YouTube video, the differences are shown. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 9:30:02 PM EDT
[#38]
I watched the video but he's pretty dismissive of the 10° and doesn't shine it at anything far away. Maybe it wasn't worth doing but I'm curious what the range would be. I'm thinking the 3° would be the way to go since it looks like it can be dimmed enough to reduce glare at close range.
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Posted: 11/12/2021 10:02:20 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched the video but he's pretty dismissive of the 10° and doesn't shine it at anything far away. Maybe it wasn't worth doing but I'm curious what the range would be. I'm thinking the 3° would be the way to go since it looks like it can be dimmed enough to reduce glare at close range. And you can flip down the diffuser |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 10:06:00 PM EDT
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After watching the entire video looks like the 3 degree would be the preferred model for weapon mounting and the 10 degree model would be preferred for a helmet and / or CQB environments
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Posted: 11/12/2021 10:08:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/468022/17A21352-D0D9-43CE-ADED-2F1318D0C2E0-2164293.jpg KIJI K1-10 on Sig MCX Rattler in 300BLK. The 10 degree illuminator and 40 degree diffuser should be very effective for the ranges that the Rattler will be used at, especially for passive aiming with the tall mounted EOTech, with the TOR-MINI IR VPC (v)2 providing a back-up IR aiming laser capability, while a Surefire M300C with Hot Button provides white light capabilities. Nice, small, compact, and very very capable package. ~Augee God that thing is is going to be heavy for its size. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 10:15:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I watched the video but he's pretty dismissive of the 10° and doesn't shine it at anything far away. Maybe it wasn't worth doing but I'm curious what the range would be. I'm thinking the 3° would be the way to go since it looks like it can be dimmed enough to reduce glare at close range. 10deg model, we're seeing 140-150 yards. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 10:17:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you can flip down the diffuser I watched the video  He just didn't spend much time on the 10°. He lives in a desert so I understand why he wouldn't. I live in a swamp so I would have liked to see more on it. Either way I think the 3° is the way to go. I have other lights for the up close stuff. This seems like a much better option than the Steiner spir which I was considering since I don't want an eye burner. |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 10:18:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10deg model, we're seeing 140-150 yards. Thanks |
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Posted: 11/12/2021 11:37:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 10deg model, we're seeing 140-150 yards. Thanks Obviously tonight during our IG live the moon was half full beacon where 100 yards was the norm. |
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Posted: 11/13/2021 8:46:21 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The way I am seeing this being used is essentially IR illumination for passive aiming. Cool product. Personally, don’t feel like this is marketed to civi’s like me. I do train aiming passively but really only shoot stuff with an IR laser. Passive aiming is producing no artificial lights/lasers as an aiming mechanism. Once you light off an illuminator, you're no longer passive. The 3 is used for longer range illumination for long guns. The 10, I would use it head mounted and for area work and umbrella lighting. |
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Posted: 11/13/2021 8:50:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are a couple of switch systems that will let you activate this IR illuminator and a laser simultaneously. So $1300 vs $2300 MAWL or $1500 D2. KIJI $650 Steiner OTAL C IR- $500 TAPS SYNC- $150 I would still pick the D2 or mawl over the dedicated ir light, or laser, and switch. You are still lacking a dedicated white light and as someone who's been there and done that with IR lasers and two separate lights, it's money ahead to not try and save a few bucks and just do it right. |
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Posted: 11/13/2021 9:05:58 AM EDT
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If I went CNVD instead of Thermal, I'd get that 3 Degree, 150mW unit all day long. It's a modern, over double the power, ELIR-3 beater. Twice the cost looks worth it, in this case. And "Diffused", it looks good for a Carbine. Is it zeroable? Did I read that it *also* has a Designator/Pointer on it?
The 10 Degree; $700 for a Handheld, or Helmet Light.....eh, that's not me, but it sounds like other people are digging it for that. What *someone* should do - is make quick install mounts for it, that allow you to pop it off your long gun, and pop it on your helmet - Picatinny, ARC, and MLOK - buy the ones you need. Wax on, wax off. |
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Posted: 11/13/2021 11:08:04 AM EDT
[#49]
This will work really well on my dedicated LR rifle with 6x D790. The fact that it works with 3V Surefire E series/Scout light bodies and tail caps pushed me over the edge and I ordered one.
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Posted: 11/13/2021 11:25:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: . What *someone* should do - is make quick install mounts for it, that allow you to pop it off your long gun, and pop it on your helmet - Picatinny, ARC, and MLOK - buy the ones you need. Wax on, wax off. Just one more reason this is awesome. |
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