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Posted: 10/29/2017 10:33:40 PM EDT
Gonna document building my Cetme L

Just how I got the kit.
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Modifying trigger pack and adding FA denial bar on receiver

Something I found out is that the denial bar was too thick for this trigger pack/hammer. When the trigger pack was mocked up in the flat, the hammer would ride against the denial bar.

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Link Posted: 10/29/2017 10:42:34 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/29/2017 10:45:52 PM EDT
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Recovered the Rear sight and trunnion

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Link Posted: 10/29/2017 10:46:10 PM EDT
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I may be going a bit too far

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Reserved
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Link Posted: 10/29/2017 10:59:10 PM EDT
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I'm still wondering if you can't get an AR trigger jig in there.
Link Posted: 10/29/2017 11:47:23 PM EDT
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In!

Looking forward to watching this.
Link Posted: 10/30/2017 12:14:33 AM EDT
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I'm still wondering if you can't get an AR trigger jig in there.
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Between the receiver? Yes
Within the trigger housing? No
Link Posted: 10/30/2017 12:56:11 PM EDT
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Nice so far.

Tempting those kits are.....
Link Posted: 10/30/2017 1:29:25 PM EDT
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Where did you get your kit?

ETA:  for some reason I've been wanting a 91 with surplus wood.  Just doesn't seem right to put old wood on a PTR.
Link Posted: 10/30/2017 6:29:41 PM EDT
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Where did you get your kit?

ETA:  for some reason I've been wanting a 91 with surplus wood.  Just doesn't seem right to put old wood on a PTR.
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Apex’s introductory sale almost 3 years ago.

I also missed a cheap LC kit on gunbroker Saturday night.

Ironically because I was working on this rifle.

I think PTRs look great in wood.
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Link Posted: 10/31/2017 1:45:21 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/1/2017 3:48:30 PM EDT
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Subscribed.  Good work!
Link Posted: 11/6/2017 8:38:56 PM EDT
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Shits getting real



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Link Posted: 11/6/2017 10:51:27 PM EDT
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Lookin good!
Link Posted: 11/6/2017 10:57:36 PM EDT
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Sweet! Are the early version hand guards available?
Link Posted: 12/19/2017 8:04:49 AM EDT
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Any progress?  I've been eying kits.
Link Posted: 12/27/2017 1:17:45 PM EDT
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I’ve test fired it twice, both times it failed to eject.

Haven’t messed with it since.
I plan on trying some different steel case ammo and deep cleaning everything.

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Link Posted: 12/27/2017 8:29:51 PM EDT
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If you're looking for kits, stay away from HMG. I have an LC kit that's been on order with them for over 14 months.

I keep getting told they're "right around the corner" even though they have no source. They still keep taking people's money with no idea if they'll even get the kits.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 4:14:23 AM EDT
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Couple of questions.

When you pressed the barrel in the trunnion, what gap did you set between the bolt and the carrier.  Hence with the bolt locked home under full spring/running home pressure to make sure that the bolt is fully locked home, you should end up with a .020" gap between the back of the bolt, and the front of the carrier once the upper has been shot for a few rounds.
Note in spec is .015"~.025" on the 223.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://youtu.be/y7izvL3E40k

On the barrel, is this a new after market barrel, or one that came with the kit. Hence the fluting in the chamber does not look ideal, and in fact the fluting mark in-printing on the spent case is less than ideal as well.   If a aftermarket barrel, then you may need to go in with a pick to clean up the fluting channels, and make sure that they are all solid from the end of chamber cut and through the two steps of the chamber as well.
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I got it running.
PITA.

I went back to headspace atleast 20 times. Anything from .012 to .18.
Switched to steel case ammo. Still had some hiccups, after about 30 rounds and a fuckload of oil it cycles like it should.
Haven’t tried brass case again yet.

Need to make a shell deflecter and weld it on.
Clean up the receiver then paint.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 1:22:41 PM EDT
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What kind of welder are you using?

I was planning on doing one with flux wire like InRange did but... I just have a feeling it's going to all go to hell like every other project I do.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 1:41:34 PM EDT
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you do not headspace these roller locked guns, you set the bolt gap. (without a headspace gauge in the chamber) everyone who is going off the inrange vid is checking it wrong.
You check it like any HK roller locked gun, empty chamber, bolt slamed forward and trigger pulled.

Best we can figure is to use the hk specs as the spanish never have published the L specs.  the measurements from complete guns before demil support that.

And yes you can put an ar FCG in one. I did it 3 years ago. (I was the first non-ffl to get one running in the wild, with the craptastic flats available at the time. ) HMG flats are very nice looking compared to what I hacked into working.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 7:56:54 PM EDT
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What kind of welder are you using?

I was planning on doing one with flux wire like InRange did but... I just have a feeling it's going to all go to hell like every other project I do.
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MIG

Not a fan of flux core. Did three quarter panels with flux core back to back.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 8:12:07 PM EDT
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I wish I could find a reputable builder for my kit.
Link Posted: 2/11/2018 10:53:19 PM EDT
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I heard this guy is really good.  He may take a while, and have to buy and learn some new tools while doing it, but he's got persistence.
Link Posted: 2/12/2018 9:39:34 AM EDT
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https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/181809/3FBFE359-FCAB-4D93-A8C3-C592028AE7C8-402849.JPG
Just a FYI,  but looks like the fluting on the chamber at the shoulder to case walls edges looks a little shallow, and why the flute marks are not deep on the side case walls far enough back.

I ran into this in the past on some aftermarket 91 barrels, and the way I solve it was to go into the chamber flutes with a small round Jewelers file with sharp tip point to ride the flutes inwards into the chamber and to deepen the flutes at these corner areas with just pushing forward plunge cuts with the file tip down the flutes.  Hence the flutes where EDM cut, but a reamer was used by hand in the end to clean up the flute to chamber edges/bring the chamber to final dimension, and this can cause a problem with the flute depths at the main case to shoulder flute channel depths ending up too shallow in the end.
Note, the way HK produces barrels is hammer forging, with the flute channels part of the  chamber and bore rifling mandrel instead. On after market barrel that are just button produced, they will chamber the barrel about .001" 'ish short, EDM cut in the flutes into the chamber, then use the reamer for the last .001"ish to leave the chamber walls/end of flute channels smooth in the end.  Hence it when the chamber is left a touch too long for EDM cutting and then final clean up reaming, then it causes the flutes to be shallow in the corner edges.

If you look into the chamber with a flash light, it's easy to pick up where the flute channels go shallow at the step edges and the file trick works well to deepen the flutes back up at these step edges.

The depth of what the flutes should be all the way from the back of the chamber, all the way to the end neck of the chamber, as well the two angle steps as well.
http://forum.accurateshooter.com/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.weaponeer.net%2Fforum%2Fuploads%2Fgundoctor%2Fimages%2F2009-03-22_122153_chamber2.jpg&hash=f2a0ab6405f72f5fa9bb990096b81621
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The flutes in my barrels look nothing like that.
Full length but much more shallow.

I’ll see if I can get a picture.
Link Posted: 2/17/2018 12:21:34 AM EDT
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I heard this guy is really good.  He may take a while, and have to buy and learn some new tools while doing it, but he's got persistence.
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I haven't caused too much irreparable damage... yet.
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