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Posted: 4/29/2021 10:12:40 PM EDT
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Have you started the licensing process?
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Posted: 4/29/2021 10:30:00 PM EDT
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Think I'm gonna have to get the lease in writing 1st, unless ATF's gonna take my word for it.
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Posted: 4/29/2021 10:54:57 PM EDT
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I've found a good location. I may even buy the building. My question is it's across the state line in Indiana. Can I live in one state and possess an FFL in another?
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Posted: 4/29/2021 10:59:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: Buddy of mine has a room over his retail shop he's not using, more than 1000 feet away from a school. Rent is very affordable, I'm over the moon @ the moment. Will be doing transfers & gun shows to start, w/ what limited inventory I can scrounge up. Have worked for both a sporting goods retailer & an LGS before, so I have a decent idea of the regulations, know what a straw purchase is, and have denied several of them in the past. how about taking a deep breath and a step back and put a business plan together in writing first? |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 11:08:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: how about taking a deep breath and a step back and put a business plan together in writing first? 1) Inventory - none available whatsoever 2) Regulatory environment - worsening Think I'll settle for a written lease so I can start the application process. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 9:02:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1) Inventory - none available whatsoever 2) Regulatory environment - worsening Think I'll settle for a written lease so I can start the application process. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: how about taking a deep breath and a step back and put a business plan together in writing first? 1) Inventory - none available whatsoever 2) Regulatory environment - worsening Think I'll settle for a written lease so I can start the application process. Brilliant idea...sign the lease terms and when the BATFE denies your application for lack of a basic business plan then you're still on the hook for leasing the space. Epic failure is in your future. Good luck with that shit! |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 9:29:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brilliant idea...sign the lease terms and when the BATFE denies your application for lack of a basic business plan then you're still on the hook for leasing the space. Epic failure is in your future. Good luck with that shit! You're awesomely helpful. I really appreciate the advice. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 9:49:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Think I'm gonna have to get the lease in writing 1st, unless ATF's gonna take my word for it. they don;t need to see the lease, just need to see the space.. get the FFL then Sign a 6 mo lease..or take that $3k and stick a Shed in your back yard and call that your GunShop Break a leg backbencher.. Chef(former backyard FFL Holder) Unless you live in an apartment or HOA..easy peasy.. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 9:54:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they don;t need to see the lease, just need to see the space.. get the FFL then Sign a 6 mo lease..or take that $3k and stick a Shed in your back yard and call that your GunShop Break a leg backbencher.. Chef(former backyard FFL Holder) Unless you live in an apartment or HOA..easy peasy.. Yeah, we're in an HOA. But I'll be paying rather far less than $3k - it's good to have friends, particularly if they have some spare real estate they're not using. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 9:58:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're awesomely helpful. I really appreciate the advice. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Brilliant idea...sign the lease terms and when the BATFE denies your application for lack of a basic business plan then you're still on the hook for leasing the space. Epic failure is in your future. Good luck with that shit! You're awesomely helpful. I really appreciate the advice. I call it like I see it. Also a former FFL licensee so I do know what the IOI will be looking for when they interview you. What do you plan to do at gun shows with no inventory? |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 12:33:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I call it like I see it. Also a former FFL licensee so I do know what the IOI will be looking for when they interview you. What do you plan to do at gun shows with no inventory? Same as every other dealer there - pitch what scraps we can find. What part of Texas were you licensed in, how long did you have your FFL, and why did you quit? |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:17:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Brilliant idea...sign the lease terms and when the BATFE denies your application for lack of a basic business plan then you're still on the hook for leasing the space. Epic failure is in your future. Good luck with that shit! While a very good idea is to have a business plan, ATF HAS NEVER required anything of the sort.  As long as the applicant can legally operate his business from that location ATF will approve the FFL. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:17:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... Can I live in one state and possess an FFL in another? Sure. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:20:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: Buddy of mine has a room over his retail shop he's not using, more than 1000 feet away from a school. Rent is very affordable, I'm over the moon @ the moment. Will be doing transfers & gun shows to start, w/ what limited inventory I can scrounge up. Have worked for both a sporting goods retailer & an LGS before, so I have a decent idea of the regulations, know what a straw purchase is, and have denied several of them in the past. Whur at? |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:22:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same as every other dealer there - pitch what scraps we can find. What part of Texas were you licensed in, how long did you have your FFL, and why did you quit? North DFW. 10 Years (2009-2019). Promoted at my regular job (Exec. VP of Engineering), took on more responsibilities which limited my time pimping guns. You will most likely get an interview (at your listed business premise) within 60 days (I think) after you submit your application. They will want to see... 1. contract for your business premise 2. most likely require a letter from the building owner stating they approve a firearms type business on their property 3. DBA or LLC documentation 4. Sales Tax Cert 5. they WILL check local zoning laws with the city you're in 6. they WILL want to see your business plan You need to treat this like your interviewing for a job. Just because you submit an application it does not mean you will be automatically approved. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:27:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While a very good idea is to have a business plan, ATF HAS NEVER required anything of the sort. As long as the applicant can legally operate his business from that location ATF will approve the FFL. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Brilliant idea...sign the lease terms and when the BATFE denies your application for lack of a basic business plan then you're still on the hook for leasing the space. Epic failure is in your future. Good luck with that shit! While a very good idea is to have a business plan, ATF HAS NEVER required anything of the sort. As long as the applicant can legally operate his business from that location ATF will approve the FFL. I just went through my archived notes and Ms. Madonna (whom you might know) specifically asked for my business plan. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:28:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: North DFW. 10 Years (2009-2019). Promoted at my regular job (Exec. VP of Engineering), took on more responsibilities which limited my time pimping guns. You will most likely get an interview (at your listed business premise) within 60 days (I think) after you submit your application. They will want to see... 1. contract for your business premise 2. most likely require a letter from the building owner stating they approve a firearms type business on their property 3. DBA or LLC documentation 4. Sales Tax Cert 5. they WILL check local zoning laws with the city you're in 6. they WILL want to see your business plan You need to treat this like your interviewing for a job. Just because you submit an application it does not mean you will be automatically approved. 1/2 already have verbal approval on, need some boilerplate to modify to submit to the bldg mgr for signature. 3/4 have had since 2014. 5 - it's above an existing retail business & more than 1000' from the nearest school. 6 - You're the only one stating this - have heard from 2x current FFLs that's it's helpful but not required. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:33:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1/2 already have verbal approval on, need some boilerplate to modify to submit to the bldg mgr for signature. 3/4 have had since 2014. 5 - it's above an existing retail business & more than 1000' from the nearest school. 6 - You're the only one stating this - have heard from 2x current FFLs that's it's helpful but not required. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: North DFW. 10 Years (2009-2019). Promoted at my regular job (Exec. VP of Engineering), took on more responsibilities which limited my time pimping guns. You will most likely get an interview (at your listed business premise) within 60 days (I think) after you submit your application. They will want to see... 1. contract for your business premise 2. most likely require a letter from the building owner stating they approve a firearms type business on their property 3. DBA or LLC documentation 4. Sales Tax Cert 5. they WILL check local zoning laws with the city you're in 6. they WILL want to see your business plan You need to treat this like your interviewing for a job. Just because you submit an application it does not mean you will be automatically approved. 1/2 already have verbal approval on, need some boilerplate to modify to submit to the bldg mgr for signature. 3/4 have had since 2014. 5 - it's above an existing retail business & more than 1000' from the nearest school. 6 - You're the only one stating this - have heard from 2x current FFLs that's it's helpful but not required. Verbal approval huh? BATFE works off of verbals all the time. Yea, right. Like I said, epic failure is in your future. Just wait until you get your first compliance inspection...lmao! BTW...#6...I never said it was a requirement. Having it shows the BATFE that you have your shit together and have a PLAN!!!! |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:38:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Verbal approval huh? BATFE works off of verbals all the time. Yea, right. Like I said, epic failure is in your future. Just wait until you get your first compliance inspection...lmao! BTW...#6...I never said it was a requirement. Having it shows the BATFE that you have your shit together and have a PLAN!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: North DFW. 10 Years (2009-2019). Promoted at my regular job (Exec. VP of Engineering), took on more responsibilities which limited my time pimping guns. You will most likely get an interview (at your listed business premise) within 60 days (I think) after you submit your application. They will want to see... 1. contract for your business premise 2. most likely require a letter from the building owner stating they approve a firearms type business on their property 3. DBA or LLC documentation 4. Sales Tax Cert 5. they WILL check local zoning laws with the city you're in 6. they WILL want to see your business plan You need to treat this like your interviewing for a job. Just because you submit an application it does not mean you will be automatically approved. 1/2 already have verbal approval on, need some boilerplate to modify to submit to the bldg mgr for signature. 3/4 have had since 2014. 5 - it's above an existing retail business & more than 1000' from the nearest school. 6 - You're the only one stating this - have heard from 2x current FFLs that's it's helpful but not required. Verbal approval huh? BATFE works off of verbals all the time. Yea, right. Like I said, epic failure is in your future. Just wait until you get your first compliance inspection...lmao! BTW...#6...I never said it was a requirement. Having it shows the BATFE that you have your shit together and have a PLAN!!!! Kindly bow out of my thread, since you're unable to comprehend what I write. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:41:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kindly bow out of my thread, since you're unable to comprehend what I write. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: North DFW. 10 Years (2009-2019). Promoted at my regular job (Exec. VP of Engineering), took on more responsibilities which limited my time pimping guns. You will most likely get an interview (at your listed business premise) within 60 days (I think) after you submit your application. They will want to see... 1. contract for your business premise 2. most likely require a letter from the building owner stating they approve a firearms type business on their property 3. DBA or LLC documentation 4. Sales Tax Cert 5. they WILL check local zoning laws with the city you're in 6. they WILL want to see your business plan You need to treat this like your interviewing for a job. Just because you submit an application it does not mean you will be automatically approved. 1/2 already have verbal approval on, need some boilerplate to modify to submit to the bldg mgr for signature. 3/4 have had since 2014. 5 - it's above an existing retail business & more than 1000' from the nearest school. 6 - You're the only one stating this - have heard from 2x current FFLs that's it's helpful but not required. Verbal approval huh? BATFE works off of verbals all the time. Yea, right. Like I said, epic failure is in your future. Just wait until you get your first compliance inspection...lmao! BTW...#6...I never said it was a requirement. Having it shows the BATFE that you have your shit together and have a PLAN!!!! Kindly bow out of my thread, since you're unable to comprehend what I write. "Know it all" that has no fucking idea what you're doing. It's actually comical what you write from the start of this thread. Look at other threads where people are applying for their FFL. Many have their shit together and in some type of logical order. Oh, just because it's in a retail location does NOT mean they will allow a "retail" gun shop int he same location. It's called "zoning". Place holder...for future (failure) updates...GFY! |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:46:40 PM EDT
[#21]
Congrats backbencher!!
ATF is easy to get approval for your license. I collect FFLs. I think I have 5 now. Oops.... Nope, I'm down to 4.... |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:51:44 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: .....They will want to see... 1. contract for your business premise Can be done after license is issued 2. most likely require a letter from the building owner stating they approve a firearms type business on their property A copy of your lease works just fine. 3. DBA or LLC documentation Or your corporation docs 4. Sales Tax Cert not required until you get your FFL 5. they WILL check local zoning laws with the city you're in True 6. they WILL want to see your business plan It's none of their business. Business plans are outside of ATF jurisdiction. You need to treat this like your interviewing for a job. Just because you submit an application it does not mean you will be automatically approved. No, if you meet the requirements to legally operate a business under all local, state and federal laws including HOA covenants and zoning requiremants YOU WILL be issued an FFL. It absolutely IS NOT like a job interview....ATF doesn't get to deny your app because of feels. Again, NONE of that is required BEFORE your FFL is issued. ATF may want to see a lot of things, that doesn't mean you have to show them. From Question 20 on the Form 7: b. Within 30 days after the application is approved, the business/activity will comply with the requirements of State and local law applicable to the conduct of the business/activity. c. Business/activity will not be conducted under the license until the requirements of State and local law applicable to the business/activity have been met ATF has no statutory authority to require an applicants "business plan". |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:53:37 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just went through my archived notes and Ms. Madonna (whom you might know) specifically asked for my business plan. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Brilliant idea...sign the lease terms and when the BATFE denies your application for lack of a basic business plan then you're still on the hook for leasing the space. Epic failure is in your future. Good luck with that shit! While a very good idea is to have a business plan, ATF HAS NEVER required anything of the sort. As long as the applicant can legally operate his business from that location ATF will approve the FFL. I just went through my archived notes and Ms. Madonna (whom you might know) specifically asked for my business plan. She can ask to see your dick, doesn't mean you have to drop trou.  NO requirement to have a business plan period. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 2:55:56 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, NONE of that is required BEFORE your FFL is issued. ATF may want to see a lot of things, that doesn't mean you have to show them. From Question 20 on the Form 7: b. Within 30 days after the application is approved, the business/activity will comply with the requirements of State and local law applicable to the conduct of the business/activity. c. Business/activity will not be conducted under the license until the requirements of State and local law applicable to the business/activity have been met ATF has no statutory authority to require an applicants "business plan". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: .....They will want to see... 1. contract for your business premise 2. most likely require a letter from the building owner stating they approve a firearms type business on their property 3. DBA or LLC documentation 4. Sales Tax Cert 5. they WILL check local zoning laws with the city you're in 6. they WILL want to see your business plan You need to treat this like your interviewing for a job. Just because you submit an application it does not mean you will be automatically approved. Again, NONE of that is required BEFORE your FFL is issued. ATF may want to see a lot of things, that doesn't mean you have to show them. From Question 20 on the Form 7: b. Within 30 days after the application is approved, the business/activity will comply with the requirements of State and local law applicable to the conduct of the business/activity. c. Business/activity will not be conducted under the license until the requirements of State and local law applicable to the business/activity have been met ATF has no statutory authority to require an applicants "business plan". Never said any of it was a fucking "requirement" Tom. Go back and read teacher and quit being a fucking dick! Actually go back and look at your previous posts were you chastised folks for not having a business plan. I 've seen numerous threads where you bashed people over the very issue. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 3:02:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never said it was a fucking requirement Tom. Quote HistoryQuoted: Never said it was a fucking requirement Tom. Well, yeah you did.. Quoted:....Brilliant idea...sign the lease terms and when the BATFE denies your application for lack of a basic business plan .... John, if it isn't a requirement WHY the heck bring it up?  Go back and read teacher and quit being a fucking dick! I'm not the one being a dick.
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Posted: 4/30/2021 3:08:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually go back and look at your previous posts were you chastised folks for not having a business plan. I 've seen numerous threads where you bashed people over the very issue. And I told the same to the OP in a PM. Not having a business plan is a recipe for failure. But you posted "when the BATFE denies your application for lack of a basic business plan"..........which IS NOT GROUNDS FOR A DENIAL of his application. ATF IS NOT going to deny his application for not having a business plan, so drop it. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 3:10:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, yeah you did.. John, if it isn't a requirement WHY the heck bring it up? I'm not the one being a dick. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Never said it was a fucking requirement Tom. Well, yeah you did.. Quoted:....Brilliant idea...sign the lease terms and when the BATFE denies your application for lack of a basic business plan .... John, if it isn't a requirement WHY the heck bring it up? Go back and read teacher and quit being a fucking dick! I'm not the one being a dick. I bring it up because it's very apparent this dude has no fucking idea what he's about to get himself into. All he's focused on is an empty space above a retail space. He worked in a gun shop...who hoo! He has NO fucking plan....wait, gun shows is his plan, LMAO. Not all retail spaces are equal. Example...Shops at Legacy or Waters Creek (not far from you and I) are full retail. Do you think they will allow a gun shop in that area? No fucking way. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 3:15:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bring it up because it's very apparent this dude has no fucking idea what he's about to get himself into. All he's focused on is an empty space above a retail space. Quote HistoryQuoted: I bring it up because it's very apparent this dude has no fucking idea what he's about to get himself into. All he's focused on is an empty space above a retail space. I disagree. He worked in a gun shop...who hoo! Which beats my experience in a gun shop.....which is zero. He has NO fucking plan....wait, gun shows is his plan, LMAO. He did say he was going to do transfers. Depending on what part of DFW he could do hundreds a month part time.....like me. Not all retail spaces are equal. Example...Shops at Legacy or Waters Creek (not far from you and I) are full retail. Do you think they will allow a gun shop in that area? No fucking way. True, but I don't see those landlords letting in McDonalds, Jiffy Lube or WalMart either. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 3:20:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And I told the same to the OP in a PM. Not having a business plan is a recipe for failure. But you posted "when the BATFE denies your application for lack of a basic business plan"..........which IS NOT GROUNDS FOR A DENIAL of his application. ATF IS NOT going to deny his application for not having a business plan, so drop it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Actually go back and look at your previous posts were you chastised folks for not having a business plan. I 've seen numerous threads where you bashed people over the very issue. And I told the same to the OP in a PM. Not having a business plan is a recipe for failure. But you posted "when the BATFE denies your application for lack of a basic business plan"..........which IS NOT GROUNDS FOR A DENIAL of his application. ATF IS NOT going to deny his application for not having a business plan, so drop it. Yes, I said that. I was implying they will see right through him without a plan. Let me expand...is he in this to make money and be engaged in the business? Or as a hobby to enhance his personal gun collection and do occasional transfers to his buddies. I know I did it right in 10 years, four compliance inspections and not one negative comment from any IOI. I was NOT in it for a long term career. I had a plan, made a shit ton of money thanks to politicians that were great gun salesman then got the fuck out. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 4:28:39 PM EDT
[#30]
Probably should lock OP...it's apparent you're clueless. LOL...worked in a Gunshop....
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Posted: 4/30/2021 4:42:12 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, I said that. I was implying they will see right through him without a plan. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Actually go back and look at your previous posts were you chastised folks for not having a business plan. I 've seen numerous threads where you bashed people over the very issue. And I told the same to the OP in a PM. Not having a business plan is a recipe for failure. But you posted "when the BATFE denies your application for lack of a basic business plan"..........which IS NOT GROUNDS FOR A DENIAL of his application. ATF IS NOT going to deny his application for not having a business plan, so drop it. Yes, I said that. I was implying they will see right through him without a plan. Yet you called me a dick for not reading? And "see right through him without a plan"? WHO THE FUCK CARES WHAT ATF sees? AGAIN, NO BUSINESS PLAN IS REQUIRED. Let me expand...is he in this to make money and be engaged in the business? Or as a hobby to enhance his personal gun collection and do occasional transfers to his buddies. Who the fuck knows.....but I do know this, few prospective FFL's bother with retail space when all they plan to do is enhance their personal collection. He could do that from home EVEN IN AN HOA. I know I did it right in 10 years, four compliance inspections and not one negative comment from any IOI. I was NOT in it for a long term career. I had a plan, made a shit ton of money thanks to politicians that were great gun salesman then got the fuck out. which has fuck all to do with the OP. |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 9:49:39 PM EDT
[#32]
This is not GD, user attacks and foul language are not permitted.
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