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Posted: 8/25/2018 3:31:24 PM EDT
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Is it important to the function of the ammo, or are you just a perfectionist who likes a good looking product?
Serious question. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 4:47:43 PM EDT
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Is it important to the function of the ammo, or are you just a perfectionist who likes a good looking product? Serious question. |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 5:49:01 PM EDT
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I think the dull dark color is because of too much or too little lemonshine. Happens to me too (well water).
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Posted: 8/25/2018 5:58:02 PM EDT
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I think the dull dark color is because of too much or too little lemonshine. Happens to me too (well water). |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 6:56:20 PM EDT
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Ditched Dawn long time ago, Wash and wax is actually cheaper, pre lubes the cases and inhibits tarnish which Dawn can not do.
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Posted: 8/25/2018 8:07:34 PM EDT
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My only glitch with such, it you don't know what that the active ingredients are, and if such is making the brass brittle isntead.
All the MSDS sheets list is that is have a PH of 8.0~9.0 http://www.armorall.com/sites/default/files/Armor%20All%20Ultra%20Shine%20Wash%20%26%20Wax%20Detailer%20%282015-06%29_0.pdf |
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Posted: 8/25/2018 8:17:59 PM EDT
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Have been using it for awhile and really like it. Keeps the cases from tarnishing and acts as case lube for 9mm. Definitely an easier pull on the ram and not oily like Hot Shot case lube.
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Posted: 8/26/2018 8:54:20 AM EDT
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Are you saying you wet tumble with it AND spray some on for sizing, or is the residue enough from tumbling to help with sizing 9mm?
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Posted: 8/26/2018 10:03:53 AM EDT
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Are you saying you wet tumble with it AND spray some on for sizing, or is the residue enough from tumbling to help with sizing 9mm? |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 10:33:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When you wet tumble it cleans everything off. So well that often you will get galling when sizing especially with neck expanding. The wash n wax leaves a thin layer of wax that negates this. You cant even see or feel the wax but it is there. I will take a pass on all that... |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 10:40:01 AM EDT
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Are you saying you wet tumble with it AND spray some on for sizing, or is the residue enough from tumbling to help with sizing 9mm? Try it yourself. The wash n' wax isn't that expensive and you can use it for washing your car if you don't like it. Run a batch with it and see what it's like in your press. You can always use a spray lube if you don't feel the wax is working for you. |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 10:57:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You also increase your odds of bullet setback leaving that slippery residue in the cases. I will take a pass on all that... |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 3:23:17 PM EDT
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I use Armor-All Car Wash too. The case necks are not slippery by any means, I've seen no signs of bullet setback or creep. And, tarnish doesn't seem to crop up at all anymore.
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Posted: 8/26/2018 6:06:23 PM EDT
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will it work in a vibrator?
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Posted: 8/26/2018 6:08:19 PM EDT
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will it work in a vibrator? |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 7:02:26 PM EDT
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I did the wash and wax thing for quite a while, but ultimately settled on just using dawn/lemishine.
I now dry my brass in treated walnut. You get the clean, and the bling. 
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Posted: 8/26/2018 7:40:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its soap and wax so im not sure that would work out well. |
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Posted: 8/26/2018 8:28:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And wax applied to metal = slippery |
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Posted: 8/27/2018 4:13:52 PM EDT
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I've been using the Wash & Wax from Armor All for 4 or 5 years ago now. It's excellent. Love the results. Must have gone through a few gallons of it by now.
I think the risk of galling and cold welds from absolutely clean brass (Dawn) are closer to reality than any concerns about bullet setback (Armor All). People have been adding polish and nufinish materials to dry vibratory media for decades. Same thing. It's a microscopic layer that prevents tarnishing. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 11:02:04 PM EDT
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Its not a slippery residue. When you dry tumble brass it is not completely clean like wet tumbling so there is "residue" . Does this mean you will have bullet setback? Setback is the result of improper neck tension. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You also increase your odds of bullet setback leaving that slippery residue in the cases. I will take a pass on all that... |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 11:13:07 PM EDT
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will it work in a vibrator? |
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Posted: 8/29/2018 2:12:26 PM EDT
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<snip> For the last time, this is not GD. dryflash3
From the conduct code; SPECIFIC TO THE TECH FORUMS The tech forums (Ar15,AK47,Handgun,Armory,Training,Outdoors) are more "formal" and actions permitted in the GD forum aren't permitted there. These forums are there to share information and as a result, trolling, heated arguments,insulting others,etc won't be ignored. |
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Posted: 8/30/2018 2:36:14 PM EDT
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So i can't ask about cleaning brass with a vibrating cleaner from harbor fright, thanks for letting me know about this rule.
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Posted: 8/31/2018 1:22:07 PM EDT
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Armor all wash n wax is amazing. Are you sure you want your brass tumbling it it? After experiencing the results over the course of several years, my decision was that I did not want Armor All anywhere near my brass. |
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Posted: 8/31/2018 5:26:08 PM EDT
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My only glitch with such, it you don't know what that the active ingredients are, and if such is making the brass brittle isntead. All the MSDS sheets list is that is have a PH of 8.0~9.0 http://www.armorall.com/sites/default/files/Armor%20All%20Ultra%20Shine%20Wash%20%26%20Wax%20Detailer%20%282015-06%29_0.pdf |
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Posted: 8/31/2018 5:36:13 PM EDT
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It's all I use, I never tried Dawn with the FART. I actually measure the lemishine when it came out grey a few times. Perfect now
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Posted: 8/31/2018 5:42:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you read the label (and MSDS sheet available on the company's website) to find out what it contains? Are you sure you want your brass tumbling it it? After experiencing the results over the course of several years, my decision was that I did not want Armor All anywhere near my brass. Vaguely ominous I-know-something-you-don't-know comments like this aren't helpful. What, exactly does Armor All contain that is bad for brass, and what were your results? |
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Posted: 8/31/2018 5:46:14 PM EDT
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Switched to this a while ago and I have some brass that has not tarnished for about a year now.
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Posted: 8/31/2018 6:02:15 PM EDT
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I am on the Armor All and Lemishine bandwagon with my FART, never had a lick of trouble while processing, shooting or storage.
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Posted: 9/3/2018 10:04:25 AM EDT
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ArmorAll and Mothers Carnauba wash & wax are fantastic for wet tumbling.
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Posted: 9/3/2018 11:05:19 AM EDT
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You also increase your odds of bullet setback leaving that slippery residue in the cases. I will take a pass on all that... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: When you wet tumble it cleans everything off. So well that often you will get galling when sizing especially with neck expanding. The wash n wax leaves a thin layer of wax that negates this. You cant even see or feel the wax but it is there. I will take a pass on all that... |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 1:58:52 PM EDT
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Seriously guys - getting into a fight over what detergent to use? Dawn and Lemishine work fine, and I'm pretty sure wash and wax is OK too. The minute quantity of either chemical is bound to be a minor issue in the grander scheme.
FWIW: How much detergent are you guys adding anyhow? Someone mentioned going through gallons of the stuff. All you need is enough for the water to be sudsy - for me, that's a reasonable squirt. Anything more and you're just flushing it down the drain. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 2:11:58 PM EDT
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Is it important to the function of the ammo, or are you just a perfectionist who likes a good looking product? Serious question. I had read about the car wash with wax a while back. An hour after wet tumble my brass looked kinda dull. Wash and wax was the provided answer since the wax keeps them shining. When I run a new batch I will be using it too. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 4:38:36 PM EDT
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FWIW: How much detergent are you guys adding anyhow? Someone mentioned going through gallons of the stuff. All you need is enough for the water to be sudsy - for me, that's a reasonable squirt. Anything more and you're just flushing it down the drain. I've been using the Armor All Wash & Wax 4 or 5 years now. I haven't really kept track but I think I'm on the 3rd or 4th gallon of it. Someone in the household might even swipe some to wash cars once in a while. I shoot a lot, many thousands of rounds per year of rifle and pistol brass for highpower and bullseye practice. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 8:58:28 PM EDT
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I use 2 tablespoons wash n wax and 1/4 tsp leminshine in my FART.
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Posted: 9/3/2018 8:59:20 PM EDT
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Seriously guys - getting into a fight over what detergent to use? Dawn and Lemishine work fine, and I'm pretty sure wash and wax is OK too. The minute quantity of either chemical is bound to be a minor issue in the grander scheme. FWIW: How much detergent are you guys adding anyhow? Someone mentioned going through gallons of the stuff. All you need is enough for the water to be sudsy - for me, that's a reasonable squirt. Anything more and you're just flushing it down the drain. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 9:31:27 PM EDT
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So you guys are genius for bling. I've used dawn, and lately just used Lemishine and tumbled in crushed walnut and nupolish. Wash and wax seems to be the ticket for bling.
I'm going to see how well it holds up against tarnish. how are you all rinsing this or dawn off? I Flood the chamber, pour it out, and do it again. Then tumble for another hour or when I remember to dump it. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 9:40:36 PM EDT
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So you guys are genius for bling. I've used dawn, and lately just used Lemishine and tumbled in crushed walnut and nupolish. Wash and wax seems to be the ticket for bling. I'm going to see how well it holds up against tarnish. how are you all rinsing this or dawn off? I Flood the chamber, pour it out, and do it again. Then tumble for another hour or when I remember to dump it. |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 11:16:06 PM EDT
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Could you be more specific? Vaguely ominous I-know-something-you-don't-know comments like this aren't helpful. What, exactly does Armor All contain that is bad for brass, and what were your results? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Have you read the label (and MSDS sheet available on the company's website) to find out what it contains? Are you sure you want your brass tumbling it it? After experiencing the results over the course of several years, my decision was that I did not want Armor All anywhere near my brass. Vaguely ominous I-know-something-you-don't-know comments like this aren't helpful. What, exactly does Armor All contain that is bad for brass, and what were your results? |
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Posted: 9/3/2018 11:35:53 PM EDT
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Yes, please. I've read through the MSDS you referenced, and I see nothing of note there. I've written MSDS sheets before, teach Hazard Communications, and there is nothing here to be scared of, or not to be scared of. There is nothing on this MSDS to be wary of. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Have you read the label (and MSDS sheet available on the company's website) to find out what it contains? Are you sure you want your brass tumbling it it? After experiencing the results over the course of several years, my decision was that I did not want Armor All anywhere near my brass. Vaguely ominous I-know-something-you-don't-know comments like this aren't helpful. What, exactly does Armor All contain that is bad for brass, and what were your results? Here is how you do it @hdwhit Next time he logs in he will get the page. |
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Posted: 9/4/2018 10:58:03 AM EDT
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I don't measure precisely. Perhaps 5 tablespoons worth? Enough so that when the tumbling is done, there are some suds left. So maybe 50 loads of brass per gallon? I've been using the Armor All Wash & Wax 4 or 5 years now. I haven't really kept track but I think I'm on the 3rd or 4th gallon of it. Someone in the household might even swipe some to wash cars once in a while. I shoot a lot, many thousands of rounds per year of rifle and pistol brass for highpower and bullseye practice. |
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Posted: 9/4/2018 11:49:02 AM EDT
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i've gotten in the habit of adding a couple drops of turtle wax or other to my tumbler now. For the purpose of leaving a thin waxy residue. One complaint about wet tumbling I've seen is that it makes the metal surfaces too clean and pure, and that the fine dust layer from dry tumbling is actually desirable, to manage the bare metal/metal contact with the bullet. So, I now mimic that using Turtle Wax. Haven't done a lot of scientific testing to optimize the dose or prove that it actually works, but it makes me feel better. I made NRA High Master doing it, so hey - I must be doing something right!
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Posted: 9/4/2018 12:04:43 PM EDT
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2 tablespoons? Franklin tumbler?
I use the HF rock tumblers and just a short squirt of dawn with 1/2 9mm casing of lemishine. Shit be shiny yo! |
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Posted: 9/4/2018 12:06:53 PM EDT
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i've gotten in the habit of adding a couple drops of turtle wax or other to my tumbler now. For the purpose of leaving a thin waxy residue. One complaint about wet tumbling I've seen is that it makes the metal surfaces too clean and pure, and that the fine dust layer from dry tumbling is actually desirable, to manage the bare metal/metal contact with the bullet. So, I now mimic that using Turtle Wax. Haven't done a lot of scientific testing to optimize the dose or prove that it actually works, but it makes me feel better. I made NRA High Master doing it, so hey - I must be doing something right! Truth here. Straight wall pistol cases run through the carbide sizing die much smoother when dry tumbling. It was quite noticeable. I use Nu-Finish, 1/2 cap, in a smaller Dillon vibratory cleaner. Lizard bed media. |
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Posted: 9/4/2018 2:34:34 PM EDT
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Truth here. Straight wall pistol cases run through the carbide sizing die much smoother when dry tumbling. It was quite noticeable. I use Nu-Finish, 1/2 cap, in a smaller Dillon vibratory cleaner. Lizard bed media. |
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Posted: 9/4/2018 2:46:22 PM EDT
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Y'all have talked me into trying it. Just bought a bottle at Walmart.
I'll even change out my walnut media that's been in the tumbler for 2 or 3 years now to start everything 'new' to see if I get better bling. Not that what I was getting was bad with Ajax dish soap and lemishine. |
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Posted: 9/4/2018 2:51:37 PM EDT
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Y'all have talked me into trying it. Just bought a bottle at Walmart. I'll even change out my walnut media that's been in the tumbler for 2 or 3 years now to start everything 'new' to see if I get better bling. Not that what I was getting was bad with Ajax dish soap and lemishine. |
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Posted: 9/4/2018 3:30:06 PM EDT
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The cleaning isn't the issue. I'm looking for the residual effect of the wax keeping oxidation away. I've been putting some Nu-Finish in my walnut every so often, but I'm about out so I thought I'd try this. Plus my car needs washing anyway.
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Posted: 9/4/2018 8:29:04 PM EDT
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I did this over the weekend, and it is SHINY!!! Now to see if it wards of oxidation better than nu-finish. Either way the ratio of two tablespoons and a 1/4 teaspoon of lemishine worked like a champ
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Posted: 9/5/2018 11:20:36 AM EDT
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I really doubt there's a ton of difference either way. Most of the cleaning is provided my the mechanical agitation. All the carbon didn't come off. Soak fired cases in hot water, lemishine and dawn for an hour. The carbon gets soft and can be scraped off with a thumb nail. Soak, rinse and dry then mechanically agitate for an hour in a dry tumbler. Cases come out perfectly clean and shiny. Soaking softens the carbon and the carbon comes off much faster. Just my experience. |
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