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Posted: 12/5/2019 1:13:58 PM EDT
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It lost all it's collector value when its receiver was drilled so it's value is just as a shooter in a hard to find caliber now. Bubba'd Arisaka's are generally worth around 150$, you'll likely spend far more money replacing the altered parts than the end product will ever be worth.
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Posted: 12/5/2019 1:30:07 PM EDT
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It lost all it's collector value when its receiver was drilled so it's value is just as a shooter in a hard to find caliber now. Bubba'd Arisaka's are generally worth around 150$, you'll likely spend far more money replacing the altered parts than the end product will ever be worth. It hasn't been drilled. Just the wood was messed with. Sorry if I was not clear about that. |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 1:38:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @sgt_lord It hasn't been drilled. Just the wood was messed with. Sorry if I was not clear about that. |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 1:44:43 PM EDT
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oops, that's what I get for posting before my first cup of coffee. Replacing the stock and hardware will likely cost you about all told, possibly more and it will still end up being a mis matched rifle in the end. Intact , mis matched Type 38's are pretty easily found in the 250$ range so I'd still only offer around 150$ for it, possibly a bit more if the Mum is intact. The days of parting milsurps back together on the cheap are pretty much over. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: @sgt_lord It hasn't been drilled. Just the wood was messed with. Sorry if I was not clear about that. A quick search was showing wood for 200+. Ouch. Any good , inexpensive sounces? |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 5:47:39 PM EDT
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Well I think it's too far gone.
The barrel has been shortened to 20" (rough measurement) and the wood was also sporterized. Nothing else seems to be messed with. The original front sight was reinstalled, which seemed odd as the barrel would have to be turned down to make it fit. The muzzle end matches the wear and tear of everything else. The receiver is a Nagoya arsenal with a beautiful untouched mum. Bolt and trigger guard have non matching numbers. I know it was common to do this to these rifles but it's just sad. I'd love to see this thing converted back to its original state but I don't think it's worth it. |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 6:05:38 PM EDT
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Possibly a T38 short rifle...
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Posted: 12/5/2019 6:17:34 PM EDT
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Possibly a T38 short rifle... |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 7:22:06 PM EDT
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T-38 carbine barrels are 19.2" long, sure its not a carbine?
Oh, and a lot of T-38's were matched on assembly numbers, not serial...the only way to see the assembly number is take it out of the wood, as its stamped under the receiver...see if bolt number matches the front band number, if it does, its likely matching.... |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 7:36:26 PM EDT
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T-38 carbine barrels are 19.2" long, sure its not a carbine? Oh, and a lot of T-38's were matched on assembly numbers, not serial...the only way to see the assembly number is take it out of the wood, as its stamped under the receiver...see if bolt number matches the front band number, if it does, its likely matching.... I will post some pics of my measuring. Where did you find that 19.2" info? My Google search said 25"? |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 7:49:06 PM EDT
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Ok here are some pics I got 18.5" going from the crown to the receiver.
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Posted: 12/5/2019 7:52:42 PM EDT
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There were 3 flavors of Type 38, the rifle, a short rifle, and the carbine....the short rifle was 25", the carbine 19.2"....
Barrel length should be measured from muzzle to bolt face when bolt is closed... Looks like a 38 carbine to me.. |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 7:55:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/5/2019 7:58:31 PM EDT
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There were 3 flavors of Type 38, the rifle, a short rifle, and the carbine....the short rifle was 25", the carbine 19.2".... Barrel length should be measured from muzzle to bolt face when bolt is closed... Looks like a 38 carbine to me.. Copy that. I was thinking the barrel looked factory at the crown end. If they were sporterizing it why wouldn't they put a new front sight on it and or why would they turn down the barrel to fit the sight. Guess it makes sense now. So if it's a carbine, is it worth trying to find wood for it and converting it back? Where would I even start looking? And what do you guys think it's worth? |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 8:04:28 PM EDT
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Finding wood for the carbine is tough. I've been doing that for awhile, what I have found has been high priced and poor quality.
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Posted: 12/5/2019 8:05:32 PM EDT
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Meh, finding a stock, handguard, the front band, and possibly rear band...it will be pricey, and likely not worth it unless you get the gun for $100 and hold onto it as a project...
If it can be gotten cheap enough, I would parts it out... |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 8:07:25 PM EDT
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Is that bolt bent?
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Posted: 12/5/2019 8:17:16 PM EDT
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Is that bolt bent? 
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Posted: 12/5/2019 8:32:20 PM EDT
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Forget it, its not worth anything then...a good bolt would have been the best part to part out. If someone gave it to me, I'd take it, I wouldn't pay anything for it...
ETA You could salvage the firing pin, spring and safety, the trigger guard, the rear sight, the trigger and sear and spring, the rear tang, the ejector/bolt release, maybe the buttplate...the rest is junk... |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 8:37:10 PM EDT
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Forget it, its not worth anything then...a good bolt would have been the best part to part out. If someone gave it to me, I'd take it, I wouldn't pay anything for it... ETA You could salvage the firing pin, spring and safety, the trigger guard, the rear sight, the trigger and sear and spring, the rear tang, the ejector/bolt release, maybe the buttplate...the rest is junk... I bet I could get it for next to nothing but I don't know what I would do with it now... |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 9:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bummer. I bet I could get it for next to nothing but I don't know what I would do with it now... |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 9:21:40 PM EDT
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Partsing it out is the only thing to do with it now....for what you would spend to restore it, you can buy a nice original one... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Bummer. I bet I could get it for next to nothing but I don't know what I would do with it now... What do they go for? I found a bolt on ebay for less than 50$. |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 9:36:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/5/2019 9:41:04 PM EDT
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Parts? Who needs parts? 
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/119347/20191203_184850_jpg-1184975.JPG 
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Posted: 12/5/2019 9:41:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Copy. What do they go for? I found a bolt on ebay for less than 50$. Hard core Jap collectors would rather have a matching gun with ground mum than a intact mum with mismatched numbers... |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 9:42:15 PM EDT
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Parts? Who needs parts?
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/119347/20191203_184850_jpg-1184975.JPG 
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Posted: 12/5/2019 9:51:42 PM EDT
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Anywhere from $300 to $500 generally....The wood will be the expensive part, and when you are done it will be completely mismatched, which makes it a harder sell... Hard core Jap collectors would rather have a matching gun with ground mum than a intact mum with mismatched numbers... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Copy. What do they go for? I found a bolt on ebay for less than 50$. Hard core Jap collectors would rather have a matching gun with ground mum than a intact mum with mismatched numbers... |
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Posted: 12/5/2019 10:00:13 PM EDT
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Lots of metal...but I don't see any wood.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Parts? Who needs parts?
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/119347/20191203_184850_jpg-1184975.JPG Had to buy these to get the stuff I wanted. Will be on GB soon or consigned to a local auction house. |
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Posted: 12/6/2019 11:35:50 AM EDT
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If it's next to nothing, pick it up. You never know when you find the guy who has wood to sell, or wants to buy your parts.
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Posted: 12/6/2019 12:39:08 PM EDT
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If it's next to nothing, pick it up. You never know when you find the guy who has wood to sell, or wants to buy your parts. |
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Posted: 12/6/2019 1:02:58 PM EDT
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Get it cheap, shoot it.
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Posted: 12/7/2019 3:22:49 PM EDT
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Well I bought it for $40
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Posted: 12/7/2019 3:52:19 PM EDT
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The bolt is worth more than that.
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Posted: 12/7/2019 6:59:02 PM EDT
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The bolt is worth more than that. |
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Posted: 12/7/2019 7:08:30 PM EDT
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When I was in the Army in the 60's my family thought I had been killed. My shit head brother sold my M38 that had been nicely converted to a hunting rifle. I shot my first deer with it .
Mine had a penny converted to a front sight and it was right on the money at 100 meters. If anybody has seen one like it could I have it back. (I didn't die) |
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Posted: 12/7/2019 8:01:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even with it being modified? |
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Posted: 12/7/2019 9:02:45 PM EDT
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Go look @ bolts on eBay. I bought a bbl'd receiver that I planned to convert to .308 - until I saw the bolt prices b/c of this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Even with it being modified? |
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Posted: 12/7/2019 9:18:13 PM EDT
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I'm seeing type 38 bolts for under 50$. Am I missing something? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Even with it being modified? There may be some priced lower, but they will end up at the $100 price point. I have been spending a bunch of time on eBay and Gunbroker looking at Arisaka prices. Listed five barreled actions on GB and bunch of parts on eBay today. |
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Posted: 12/7/2019 10:01:04 PM EDT
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Complete bolts with all parts start at around $100. There may be some priced lower, but they will end up at the $100 price point. I have been spending a bunch of time on eBay and Gunbroker looking at Arisaka prices. Listed five barreled actions on GB and bunch of parts on eBay today. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Even with it being modified? There may be some priced lower, but they will end up at the $100 price point. I have been spending a bunch of time on eBay and Gunbroker looking at Arisaka prices. Listed five barreled actions on GB and bunch of parts on eBay today. Odd question. Does anyone sell just the bolt handle? I could chop and weld this one as the bolt is just fine. |
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Posted: 12/7/2019 10:30:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Copy. Thanks Odd question. Does anyone sell just the bolt handle? I could chop and weld this one as the bolt is just fine. Consensus...no, it is not, if you aren't doing it out of love, you might as well not do it...you will not re-coup your costs anytime soon... Technically all you'd need for the bolt is a bolt body... |
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Posted: 12/7/2019 10:48:40 PM EDT
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Just find and buy a bolt body....restoring bubba'd milsurps is not for the weak or the cheap...there is a thread about midway down about is it worth restoring bubba'd milsurps... Consensus...no, it is not, if you aren't doing it out of love, you might as well not do it...you will not re-coup your costs anytime soon... Technically all you'd need for the bolt is a bolt body... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Copy. Thanks Odd question. Does anyone sell just the bolt handle? I could chop and weld this one as the bolt is just fine. Consensus...no, it is not, if you aren't doing it out of love, you might as well not do it...you will not re-coup your costs anytime soon... Technically all you'd need for the bolt is a bolt body... |
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Posted: 12/7/2019 11:38:12 PM EDT
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I'm looking at numrich's schematic and I am trying to determine what parts I need.
https://www.gunpartscorp.com/gun-man...risaka/type-38 #43 Bayo Stud Band #44 Screw #45 #46 Carbine Handguard #47 Lower Band #48 Screw #49 Forend Cap #50 Stock #51 Cleaning rod Retaining Spring #59 Rear Swivel #60 Swivel Screw x2 What parts are interchangeable with the standard length 38 and what is not? Some are listed as rifle on the link, others carbine, others are just t38. |
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Posted: 12/8/2019 11:59:42 AM EDT
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Just find and buy a bolt body....restoring bubba'd milsurps is not for the weak or the cheap...there is a thread about midway down about is it worth restoring bubba'd milsurps... Consensus...no, it is not, if you aren't doing it out of love, you might as well not do it...you will not re-coup your costs anytime soon... Technically all you'd need for the bolt is a bolt body... Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Copy. Thanks Odd question. Does anyone sell just the bolt handle? I could chop and weld this one as the bolt is just fine. Consensus...no, it is not, if you aren't doing it out of love, you might as well not do it...you will not re-coup your costs anytime soon... Technically all you'd need for the bolt is a bolt body... For his project, OP does only need a bolt body. OP, if you want it you can have this bolt body for the cost of shipping: https://www.ebay.com/itm/293359023000 It is lightly pitted over its surface but usable. Will give you chance to get it looking better until you decide what you want to do. Send me PM if you are interested. Then you need to get a Mauser........ https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Repair-of-broken-and-bent-WWII-German-98k-Rifle/5-2277042/
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Posted: 12/8/2019 12:18:44 PM EDT
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For clarity, prices I mentioned were if OP wanted to sell his bolt. For his project, OP does only need a bolt body. OP, if you want it you can have this bolt body for the cost of shipping: https://www.ebay.com/itm/293359023000 It is lightly pitted over its surface but usable. Will give you chance to get it looking better until you decide what you want to do. Send me PM if you are interested. Then you need to get a Mauser........ https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Repair-of-broken-and-bent-WWII-German-98k-Rifle/5-2277042/Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Copy. Thanks Odd question. Does anyone sell just the bolt handle? I could chop and weld this one as the bolt is just fine. Consensus...no, it is not, if you aren't doing it out of love, you might as well not do it...you will not re-coup your costs anytime soon... Technically all you'd need for the bolt is a bolt body... For his project, OP does only need a bolt body. OP, if you want it you can have this bolt body for the cost of shipping: https://www.ebay.com/itm/293359023000 It is lightly pitted over its surface but usable. Will give you chance to get it looking better until you decide what you want to do. Send me PM if you are interested. Then you need to get a Mauser........ https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Repair-of-broken-and-bent-WWII-German-98k-Rifle/5-2277042/I did buy a K98 russian capture this summer. I didn't have to touch much of anything as it was "original" and un molested. It just needed a sling. |
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Posted: 12/13/2019 6:02:51 PM EDT
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So I actually found some parts on eBay. The seller is a long time member and sells a lot of gun parts. He has some stuff labeled but the other stuff just says screws with some other numbers after it. I sent him a message with a diagram showing him what I needed and I never heard back. Fast forward a couple weeks later I decided to see if he had a storefront so I could call. I found a number and I called.
The guy said he saw my message on eBay but didn't get back to me because he was busy. I asked him if he could clarify what screws were and he told me he could not because he doesn't know what he has for sale on eBay and he cannot search his own sales very easily. WTF? Yes you can. It's not hard. I asked him what I should do and he told me he didn't know, look at the pictures? His pictures were taken from a mile away and you can't see anything. Apparently he does not want any money as he was no help at all. I just don't understand how people can run a business like this. TLDR: eBay seller is lazy and doesn't want to.make any money. |
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Posted: 12/16/2019 5:42:58 PM EDT
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Ya know, even with the sporterization, for $40 and the cost of a bolt body I think you'll do OK. The Type 38 carbines are super nice little shooters. Should you ever find a rusted out carbine for cheap it would be easy to swap handles. It's already mismatched so there's no history to be lost, and maybe this could either be restored or used for donor parts to restore something else.
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Posted: 12/16/2019 5:59:28 PM EDT
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Looks like SARCO has complete bolts for reasonable. Now I gotta hunt down a bbl. Not all that crazy about a lightweight 16" .308...
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