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Posted: 9/16/2022 6:08:08 PM EDT
[#1]
I recently order a Laser speed LS-FL5. It's currently being shipped but I'll do some testing and a review once received. If it holds zero and the specs are accurate I think it could be a great unit.
 From their website: ?MAIN SPECIFICATIONS ? IR Laser :830nm,high mode: 22±2mw,low mode:1.5±0.5mw ? IR Light:830nm,high mode: 27±2mw,low mode:1.5±0.5mw ? Green Laser:520nm ,5±1mW ? Operating Temp.: -20? to +55? ? Dimensions: L:110mm/W:77mm/H:37mm ? Material: Aircraft Grade Aluminum Alloy, 6061-T6 ? Net Weight: 297g ? Battery Type: 18650 1pc. Link here if you want to check it out On a side note it appears to be nearly identical to the Newcon Optik Lam4G. Not sure if it's a clone or possibly the OEM for newcon. |
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Posted: 9/16/2022 6:47:26 PM EDT
[#2]
Never heard of laserspeed. LS-M3 looks interesting...
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Posted: 9/16/2022 7:38:18 PM EDT
[#3]
I’m sorry, I hate to be that guy, but this is a long thread. What’s the summary? Which one is the one to get(powerful illuminator) and what mods need to be done to it, if any?
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Posted: 9/16/2022 7:40:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recently order a Laser speed LS-FL5. It's currently being shipped but I'll do some testing and a review once received. If it holds zero and the specs are accurate I think it could be a great unit. https://i.ibb.co/QvZjdmH/6379710831464887632011898-1.jpg From their website: ?MAIN SPECIFICATIONS ? IR Laser :830nm,high mode: 22±2mw,low mode:1.5±0.5mw ? IR Light:830nm,high mode: 27±2mw,low mode:1.5±0.5mw ? Green Laser:520nm ,5±1mW ? Operating Temp.: -20? to +55? ? Dimensions: L:110mm/W:77mm/H:37mm ? Material: Aircraft Grade Aluminum Alloy, 6061-T6 ? Net Weight: 297g ? Battery Type: 18650 1pc. Link here if you want to check it out On a side note it appears to be nearly identical to the Newcon Optik Lam4G. Not sure if it's a clone or possibly the OEM for newcon. How much was it? How do you even order it? |
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Posted: 9/16/2022 7:56:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How much was it? How do you even order it? $550 shipped, I had to talk directly with the manufacturer via email. They do "samples" aka 1 unit, but they really want to do minimum orders of 10. If it's a good unit I'd be happy to organize a group buy if there's any interest. |
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Posted: 9/16/2022 8:58:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryimoQuoted: I'm sorry, I hate to be that guy, but this is a long thread. What's the summary? Which one is the one to get(powerful illuminator) and what mods need to be done to it, if any? any of the somogear have good IR lasers and mediocre (brighter than US made civilian models but not nearly FP levels) illuminators. illuminators don't go wide enough imo and if they did they wouldn't have enough power to be useable at outdoor ranges beyond 25-50 meters. also the alignment adjustments in the illuminator kinda suck. its useable toy grade stuff IMO. |
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Posted: 9/17/2022 1:08:23 AM EDT
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My somogear came apart today. Rifle took a waist height spill and one of the illuminator dials busted inwards + the battery housing got screwed up.
I took it apart and was actually able to get it back together but the absolutely terrible way they do the battery connections was causing me a bunch of hassle with poor connections and no easy way to solder it. The housing sort of disintegrated as I took it art and put it back together (particularly the screw mounts). I sort of glued it back together and it functions but its basically fucked. Gonna either sell it for parts on eBay or just keep it around for comparison filming. Dunno, pretty bummed. Certainly my fault, but just be aware the plastic housing isn't particularly sturdy. Think I'm gonna buy a ctf 2 to replace it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2022 11:09:23 AM EDT
[#8]
Wow. Those dudes have a 500mw illuminator. http://www.laserspeed.net/productsdetail.aspx?key=2&id=52&pid=12
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Posted: 9/17/2022 2:04:05 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. Those dudes have a 500mw illuminator. http://www.laserspeed.net/productsdetail.aspx?key=2&id=52&pid=12 Damn, kinda reminds me of a Chinese version of a BE Meyers glare. |
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Posted: 9/17/2022 2:49:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: $550 shipped, I had to talk directly with the manufacturer via email. They do "samples" aka 1 unit, but they really want to do minimum orders of 10. If it's a good unit I'd be happy to organize a group buy if there's any interest. Yeah. Kinda interested. |
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Posted: 9/17/2022 8:04:27 PM EDT
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Update on the CQBL-1 on a 22LR.
Put about 250 rds thru my AR22 SBR today. Sited in my vortex crossfire on a airsoft Unity riser (highly recommend) and then zeroed the CQBL-1 to it. It has no click adjustment feedback and the adjustments are extreme. Didn’t take but 2-3 degrees of rotation on the adjustment knob to move the Point of aim at 25yards 1-2’. Once zeroed held zero for duration of shooting session. Time will tell. I did notice the constant on would turn off due to recoil a 22SBR. But if holding down the tape switch it would stay on. So that kinda sucks. So far probably wouldn’t recommend this particular unit for 22lr use unless they have upgraded it since I purchased mine which was 4-5mo ago. |
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Posted: 9/17/2022 10:02:21 PM EDT
[#12]
 IR test 22lr Video from tonight. Appears the IR and Vis laser are not co-aligned. IR laser is slightly higher than vis. |
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Posted: 9/19/2022 3:50:41 PM EDT
[#13]
Just received the ls5 today, so far I'm very impressed. The unit seems to be extremely well built, vero positive clicks on the adjustment and seems to be just as high quality as any Steiner or holosun I've owned. There is a slight delay between clicking the button and the unit activating.
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Posted: 9/20/2022 12:04:04 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just received the ls5 today, so far I'm very impressed. The unit seems to be extremely well built, vero positive clicks on the adjustment and seems to be just as high quality as any Steiner or holosun I've owned. There is a slight delay between clicking the button and the unit activating. Can you weigh the thing? The website lists it as weighing something like 10.8 ounces if I remember correctly. Any comments on pressure pad integration? Does it come with one? Does it have a plug port or is it only button activated? Post some pics man! Super curious to see what this thing looks like. How's the mount that it comes with? |
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Posted: 9/20/2022 12:55:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you weigh the thing? The website lists it as weighing something like 10.8 ounces if I remember correctly. Any comments on pressure pad integration? Does it come with one? Does it have a plug port or is it only button activated? Post some pics man! Super curious to see what this thing looks like. How's the mount that it comes with? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just received the ls5 today, so far I'm very impressed. The unit seems to be extremely well built, vero positive clicks on the adjustment and seems to be just as high quality as any Steiner or holosun I've owned. There is a slight delay between clicking the button and the unit activating. Can you weigh the thing? The website lists it as weighing something like 10.8 ounces if I remember correctly. Any comments on pressure pad integration? Does it come with one? Does it have a plug port or is it only button activated? Post some pics man! Super curious to see what this thing looks like. How's the mount that it comes with? I'll try and get you a weight and some more pics of the actual unit tomorrow. I plan to do a full review after I get a few rounds in with it. So far is pretty legit. It does include a pressure pad, but it's weird. Not a standard crane plug but a three prong system. The included one is like three separate buttons wired in series and covered with rubber, very odd. The built in button is very nice, nice click, but with a slight delay as said. It might be an issue if you're a high speed door kicker but I don't think it would really be an issue for most of us. The mount is nice and sturdy, locks up on the rail great. It also sits very low which is nice, almost can't see the unit looking through an eotech 553.   The mailbox is at approx 150 yards. I apologize for the shitty phone pics.  as you can see the vis light lacks throw but has a lot of spill, it would be fine for 50 - 75 yards.      The FL5 illuminator is extremely clean and bright. It appears brighter than the somogear peq and the lasers look to be about the same. |
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Posted: 9/20/2022 1:03:50 AM EDT
[#16]
how wide does the illuminator get?
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Posted: 9/20/2022 1:11:42 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: how wide does the illuminator get? It's as wide as it goes in the pics. I have an early gen SG peq and the FL5 is quite a bit wider. I wish it would open just a tiny bit more but it's very useable as is. I will try to figure out how to measure it. |
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Posted: 9/20/2022 6:58:05 AM EDT
[#18]
The LS5 weight sounds like it's about the same as a DBAL plus separate vis light. So you aren't really paying a weight penalty.
Have you contacted them about the button delay? |
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Posted: 9/20/2022 9:30:36 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The LS5 weight sounds like it's about the same as a DBAL plus separate vis light. So you aren't really paying a weight penalty. Have you contacted them about the button delay? I emailed them about it but have yet to hear back. |
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Posted: 9/20/2022 12:18:25 PM EDT
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Video of the delay: https://www.veed.io/view/92c75480-2511-45dd-8b15-902b9442c034/7441e35d-155e-487f-9541-aa751f1bc728
Size comparison-    The bottom of the unit- As you can see the battery and pressure pad port caps are tethered on.  The unit has a light on the rear that lets you know if you have it turned on/ standby   Pic of the pressure pad port and the included high power lockout screw  Some weight comparisons -      Behind an A2 fsp, you get some backsplash. I will check the ir to see if it's the same.  It sits pretty low on the rail, which I like.   That's all for now. Let me know if you want to see anything specifically. 
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Posted: 9/20/2022 12:31:39 PM EDT
[#21]
Does anyone know the cost of their LS-M3?
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Posted: 9/20/2022 1:16:17 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone know the cost of their LS-M3? I think the m3 is going to be right around $700 @little_grease I just asked my contact and they said the m3 is $688, but they don't have them ready yet and the ETA is mid October. |
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Posted: 9/20/2022 1:59:47 PM EDT
[#23]
Interesting, I thought it would cost less than the FL5
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Posted: 9/20/2022 2:42:24 PM EDT
[#24]
I think the only qualms I’d have with that unit would be the inability to use aftermarket pressure pads.
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Posted: 9/20/2022 3:07:30 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the only qualms I’d have with that unit would be the inability to use aftermarket pressure pads. The same can be said for the Perst series. I think people have made their way around that deficiency. I do very much like US pressure pads for certain applications so I hear ya. I think this unit/manufacturer needs its own thread. Very interesting. |
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Posted: 9/20/2022 3:10:15 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the only qualms I’d have with that unit would be the inability to use aftermarket pressure pads. I've been told the connector type is a M8 3 pin circular connector, and that you can modify a surefire switch to be compatible. I will say that the built-in button is in a good spot and the unit sits low enough it's comfortable to use IMO. |
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Posted: 9/20/2022 8:38:55 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. Those dudes have a 500mw illuminator. http://www.laserspeed.net/productsdetail.aspx?key=2&id=52&pid=12 @spyhawk My contact at Laser speed quoted me at $260 for the IR500. I'll definitely be picking one up at some point. |
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Posted: 9/20/2022 8:51:57 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Video of the delay: https://www.veed.io/view/92c75480-2511-45dd-8b15-902b9442c034/7441e35d-155e-487f-9541-aa751f1bc728 Size comparison- https://i.ibb.co/LrwFCzH/PXL-20220920-143932072-2.jpg https://i.ibb.co/nLZjkS4/PXL-20220920-144058762.jpg https://i.ibb.co/JdsN0qJ/PXL-20220920-144117160.jpg The bottom of the unit- As you can see the battery and pressure pad port caps are tethered on. https://i.ibb.co/LPk3FFw/PXL-20220920-144237071.jpg The unit has a light on the rear that lets you know if you have it turned on/ standby https://i.ibb.co/kDp9gtf/PXL-20220920-144154177-3.jpg https://i.ibb.co/NrqYG95/PXL-20220920-144203090-3.jpg Pic of the pressure pad port and the included high power lockout screw https://i.ibb.co/Bcgmt3R/PXL-20220920-144700990-2.jpg Some weight comparisons - https://i.ibb.co/Q6GPn0K/PXL-20220920-145934984-2.jpg https://i.ibb.co/kK3T8H1/PXL-20220920-145945384-2.jpg https://i.ibb.co/PhV6fY2/PXL-20220920-150038880-2.jpg https://i.ibb.co/ssy2JFD/PXL-20220920-150047556-2.jpg https://i.ibb.co/XZSXFQp/PXL-20220920-150052741-2.jpg Behind an A2 fsp, you get some backsplash. I will check the ir to see if it's the same. https://i.ibb.co/chKg3jp/PXL-20220920-150410290.jpg It sits pretty low on the rail, which I like. https://i.ibb.co/zxPMQ6Y/PXL-20220920-150638223.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Lg1Wj7S/PXL-20220920-150719610.jpg That's all for now. Let me know if you want to see anything specific. Eta: so when I asked about the delay they didn't quite understand the question due to the language barrier, but they did send me this manual of sorts. https://i.ibb.co/LpnvTrk/LS-FL5-1.jpg If only it came in tan. |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 8:05:13 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Video of the delay: https://www.veed.io/view/92c75480-2511-45dd-8b15-902b9442c034/7441e35d-155e-487f-9541-aa751f1bc728 Size comparison- https://i.ibb.co/LrwFCzH/PXL-20220920-143932072-2.jpg https://i.ibb.co/nLZjkS4/PXL-20220920-144058762.jpg https://i.ibb.co/JdsN0qJ/PXL-20220920-144117160.jpg The bottom of the unit- As you can see the battery and pressure pad port caps are tethered on. https://i.ibb.co/LPk3FFw/PXL-20220920-144237071.jpg The unit has a light on the rear that lets you know if you have it turned on/ standby https://i.ibb.co/kDp9gtf/PXL-20220920-144154177-3.jpg https://i.ibb.co/NrqYG95/PXL-20220920-144203090-3.jpg Pic of the pressure pad port and the included high power lockout screw https://i.ibb.co/Bcgmt3R/PXL-20220920-144700990-2.jpg Some weight comparisons - https://i.ibb.co/Q6GPn0K/PXL-20220920-145934984-2.jpg https://i.ibb.co/kK3T8H1/PXL-20220920-145945384-2.jpg https://i.ibb.co/PhV6fY2/PXL-20220920-150038880-2.jpg https://i.ibb.co/ssy2JFD/PXL-20220920-150047556-2.jpg https://i.ibb.co/XZSXFQp/PXL-20220920-150052741-2.jpg Behind an A2 fsp, you get some backsplash. I will check the ir to see if it's the same. https://i.ibb.co/chKg3jp/PXL-20220920-150410290.jpg It sits pretty low on the rail, which I like. https://i.ibb.co/zxPMQ6Y/PXL-20220920-150638223.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Lg1Wj7S/PXL-20220920-150719610.jpg That's all for now. Let me know if you want to see anything specific. Eta: so when I asked about the delay they didn't quite understand the question due to the language barrier, but they did send me this manual of sorts. https://i.ibb.co/LpnvTrk/LS-FL5-1.jpg The only thing stopping me now is the delay. Can you send him the video and ask if they are aware of the issue? |
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Posted: 9/21/2022 12:14:30 PM EDT
[#30]
Looks nice but that delay would be a no go for me.
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Posted: 9/26/2022 11:38:15 AM EDT
[#31]
The Somogear PEQ 15 clone's issue is that the IR illuminator is very tight with very little spill, but I could definitely see someone making a diffuser replacement cap that would remedy that issue.
Has anyone tried the Villain Weapon Systems (VWS) Enhanced Narrow Diffuser for the real PEQ15 on the Somogear clone? I'd be highly interested to see if that works. |
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Posted: 9/26/2022 12:15:34 PM EDT
[#32]
Had it for a week so here are some initial impressions about my unit:
It feels like a 1:1 of the real UHPs I’ve had. It is in fact full power as advertised. It does have positive clicks for both the lasers and the illuminator however, there is some slip in between the clicks. It does use real crane plugs. Playing with the illuminator at night I did notice some fish eye effect in the Illuminator. Wiped the lense and it still persists. Here an image of the SG, and an image of a the last real UHP I had. As stated they feel identical. The anodizing is a bit off on the metal bits (it always is on China clones) but so far so good. Hopefully here in a few weeks I can get off to the range and see if it holds zero.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/26/2022 2:01:40 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Had it for a week so here are some initial impressions about my unit: It feels like a 1:1 of the real UHPs I’ve had. It is in fact full power as advertised. It does have positive clicks for both the lasers and the illuminator however, there is some slip in between the clicks. It does use real crane plugs. Playing with the illuminator at night I did notice some fish eye effect in the Illuminator. Wiped the lense and it still persists. Here an image of the SG, and an image of a the last real UHP I had. As stated they feel identical. The anodizing is a bit off on the metal bits (it always is on China clones) but so far so good. Hopefully here in a few weeks I can get off to the range and see if it holds zero. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/450004/9B840BC0-198E-4BF7-9A1C-5BA2E8DFDC83_png-2539971.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/450004/6ED79362-47C7-44EB-AAC6-CF9259EFC69F_png-2539973.JPG Did you pay for the potting service? |
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Posted: 9/26/2022 2:49:49 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you pay for the potting service? Yes. This is a potted unit. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 2:18:01 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. This is a potted unit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Did you pay for the potting service? Yes. This is a potted unit. Nice, I'm excited to read your reports about it. I'm hoping these will be viable options and in particular their NGLS copy that is set to come out. |
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Posted: 9/27/2022 6:12:48 PM EDT
[#36]
About how bright is the vis laser on that LS-FL5 unit?? If you're able to get some night time shots....as bright as the vis on the somo? Brighter?
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Posted: 9/27/2022 7:23:03 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: About how bright is the vis laser on that LS-FL5 unit?? If you're able to get some night time shots....as bright as the vis on the somo? Brighter? If you're just using the vis laser it's about as bright as the somo, you can see a solid beam at night. If using the vis light + laser you can't see the beam, just the dot on target. |
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Posted: 10/14/2022 10:48:16 PM EDT
[#38]
Brassfacts has his somogear peq review up on YouTube for this interesred. Sounds like he's got about 2k rounds on his and no issues with the laser holding zero but did run into issues with the windage knob on the illuminator getting stuck.
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Posted: 10/15/2022 9:03:22 AM EDT
[#39]
I think his review was pretty fair and balanced. And the round count speaks for itself. There is an "immediate action" drill for the wind/elev drums on the website. You have to wind them a certain way to "un-stick" them sometimes. If you wind the two drums up a certain way it can bind up the springs, causing a "jam".
I think the upshot of it is they do work with 5.56, but might not be as durable as the original. I mean that's pretty much it. |
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Posted: 10/15/2022 11:02:21 AM EDT
[#40]
 When a Airsoft PEQ15 Beats A Real One : Somogear Peq15 |
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Posted: 10/15/2022 1:30:19 PM EDT
[#41]
Just got a Somogear uhp potted.
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Posted: 10/15/2022 2:05:17 PM EDT
[#42]
Yes, I've seen friends use them all the time. These cheap weapon IR devices, and other accessories knockoffs are getting better every day. Most still won't hold zero after some rough use, but there are a few now that will hold zero even after several hundred rounds. QA is still hit or miss on these, but its only a matter of time before they are no longer "airsoft" IR devices.
ATM, for small stuff like 22LR, etc, they are a great alternative, IMO. Why buy an IR accessory that costs twice the cost of the gun? Same for scopes, etc... Also, they are great toys for getting kids to learn how the real thing works... without risk of damaging the real steel. Then there is the the fact that these places where they are made don't care/ignore ethics, copyright, patents, et. all, which allows them produce them in large volumes for dirt cheap, release them, then people will beta test them for them, for free, via Amazon reviews, or other sites (like this site), posting reviews about their bad, what they lack, etc, thus helping improve their IR accessories for free... This seems like it will eventually lead to the demise of the US manufactured IR devices. This already happened with radios and other electronic devices back in the 70s/80s with Japan... at first they were called "junk" but they quickly became "not junk" and then slowly became "good" until they are now called "high end" etc. G. |
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Posted: 10/15/2022 4:18:59 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think his review was pretty fair and balanced. And the round count speaks for itself. There is an "immediate action" drill for the wind/elev drums on the website. You have to wind them a certain way to "un-stick" them sometimes. If you wind the two drums up a certain way it can bind up the springs, causing a "jam". I think the upshot of it is they do work with 5.56, but might not be as durable as the original. I mean that's pretty much it. Sucks that the visible laser wasn't coaligned with his unit. Hopefully that is something they can correct with their NGAL version. If these hold zero, can coalign the viz/ir, and accept a crane plug that's pure win. In terms of the diffuser, has anyone with one of these tried the Villain Weapon Systems' PEQ-15 Enhanced Narrow Diffuser on it? |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 1:57:32 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sucks that the visible laser wasn't coaligned with his unit. Hopefully that is something they can correct with their NGAL version. If these hold zero, can coalign the viz/ir, and accept a crane plug that's pure win. In terms of the diffuser, has anyone with one of these tried the Villain Weapon Systems' PEQ-15 Enhanced Narrow Diffuser on it? |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 7:45:47 AM EDT
[#45]
Laserspeed has also been around, and making IR devices for about a decade that I recall.
Their products vary from clone like toys, to slightly theoretically improved designs, to unique designs like the FL5. Years ago I purchased a $200 dbal like device from them, it lasted a very short time before the adjustment turrets (with clicks) launched themselves off of the device due to the spring tension under them. |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 4:21:34 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well had a buddy order an IS NGAL so we shall see. It's like somebody was paying attention to the market and made what we've all been asking for, although they felt free to raise the price as well. Opinions vary widely, but I think SG and IS are really bringing out some decent, usable kit, as opposed to all the airsoft grade crap. I think there is much prejudice against "airsoft grade" equipment, as well as "made in China". Guys have seen "FMA", "Emerson", or "WADSN" equipment, and just decided it's all junk, no need to bother. I would submit that Somo Gear and Invisble Sight are different. SG was the first step, in that they kept an "airsoft" identity, but IS is making no bones about being 5.56 AND 7.62 recoil rated. And if you consider the recent price increases, IS is 1/2 the price of a PEQ-15/ATPIAL, and the NGAL is what, 1/5 the cost of a real NGAL, if you could get it at all. So maybe this is the intersect between quality and price. Your Buddy ever get his NGAL? |
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Posted: 10/16/2022 6:16:38 PM EDT
[#47]
Is the IS peq worth roughly 4 somo peqs?
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Posted: 10/16/2022 8:00:27 PM EDT
[#48]
For those who have purchased the somo gear PEQ-15, would you mind sharing some pics of it mounted?
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Posted: 10/17/2022 12:47:31 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For those who have purchased the somo gear PEQ-15, would you mind sharing some pics of it mounted? |
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Posted: 10/17/2022 1:55:01 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: $550 shipped, I had to talk directly with the manufacturer via email. They do "samples" aka 1 unit, but they really want to do minimum orders of 10. If it's a good unit I'd be happy to organize a group buy if there's any interest. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How much was it? How do you even order it? $550 shipped, I had to talk directly with the manufacturer via email. They do "samples" aka 1 unit, but they really want to do minimum orders of 10. If it's a good unit I'd be happy to organize a group buy if there's any interest. I’m definitely interested and would put up the cash just to try it out. Can someone link a new video to the delay issue. The link seems dead and I want to see how bad that delay is. Thanks |
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