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Posted: 6/26/2021 10:15:25 PM EDT
Well, as some have been speculating for awhile now, it looks like the ACR is gone. The Bushmaster website doesn't work and brings up the Remington Outdoors page. Checking out the Remington line of products there are a few AR variants but no ACR. As of yesterday, the ACR was still shown as a product on the Remington Defense website but today it is no longer there. I had hoped we'd see the ACR "relaunched" as a Remington product with the news of ROC dumping the Bushmaster name. But that simply doesn't seem to be the case.
There's already some info on these developments but I wanted to start a new thread. If anyone has any insider news or good rumors, both pro and con, please post. TIA! |
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Posted: 2/3/2020 4:43:14 PM EDT
[#1]
Remington discontinued both Bushmaster and DPMS.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 2/3/2020 6:28:04 PM EDT
[#2]
Remington has an engineer position open at the Huntsville location where the R&D group (what's left of it) is located. Get the job and maybe they will let you take over the ACR program.
https://careers-remington.icims.com/jobs/2106/r%26d-principal-engineer/job |
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Posted: 2/3/2020 7:13:58 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mcb:
Remington has an engineer position open at the Huntsville location where the R&D group (what's left of it) is located. Get the job and maybe they will let you take over the ACR program.
https://careers-remington.icims.com/jobs/2106/r%26d-principal-engineer/job |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 2/4/2020 2:26:44 PM EDT
[#4]
I think we’re still in a period of flux with the shutting down of dpms/bushmaster. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Magpul retain the rights to the gun? So theoretically if the rifle is no longer being produced for the civilian (or apparently military) market, Magpul could sell rights to another more capable company. As I’ve said elsewhere though, I’m still holding out hope Magpul finds a way to either start producing it themselves or buy receivers from Remington and build the rest themselves. I trust their judgement. I know many would buy a Magpul branded ACR at a higher price point if it was available.
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Posted: 2/4/2020 4:10:54 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoDakWolfPack:
I think we’re still in a period of flux with the shutting down of dpms/bushmaster. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Magpul retain the rights to the gun? So theoretically if the rifle is no longer being produced for the civilian (or apparently military) market, Magpul could sell rights to another more capable company. As I’ve said elsewhere though, I’m still holding out hope Magpul finds a way to either start producing it themselves or buy receivers from Remington and build the rest themselves. I trust their judgement. I know many would buy a Magpul branded ACR at a higher price point if it was available. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 1:08:57 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoDakWolfPack:
I think we’re still in a period of flux with the shutting down of dpms/bushmaster. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Magpul retain the rights to the gun? So theoretically if the rifle is no longer being produced for the civilian (or apparently military) market, Magpul could sell rights to another more capable company. As I’ve said elsewhere though, I’m still holding out hope Magpul finds a way to either start producing it themselves or buy receivers from Remington and build the rest themselves. I trust their judgement. I know many would buy a Magpul branded ACR at a higher price point if it was available. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 11:26:10 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoDakWolfPack:
I think we’re still in a period of flux with the shutting down of dpms/bushmaster. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Magpul retain the rights to the gun? So theoretically if the rifle is no longer being produced for the civilian (or apparently military) market, Magpul could sell rights to another more capable company. As I’ve said elsewhere though, I’m still holding out hope Magpul finds a way to either start producing it themselves or buy receivers from Remington and build the rest themselves. I trust their judgement. I know many would buy a Magpul branded ACR at a higher price point if it was available. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 12:44:43 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joe_sun: I saw an interview with someone at Magpul, IIRC it was on Youtube, and he said that Magpul owns the rights to the gun and Remington was only licensed to build it so yes it could, and hopefully will, come back to life. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2020 2:00:32 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Unfortunately I think it would be a hard sell. Any company interested in making the ACR will likely look at the (lack of) sales numbers under Bushmaster and take a hard pass. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 2:10:44 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoDakWolfPack: That’s a fair point for sure. I posted somewhere else on here it would be nice if someone relatively independent like POF or PWS got the chance to license the ACR. I see companies like theirs as having experience with pistons and not being afraid of competing at a $2000 MSRP instead of a PSA price point. |
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Posted: 2/12/2020 3:13:20 PM EDT
[#11]
Maybe PSA can buy the rights to it!
@PalmettoStateArmory |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2020 3:44:58 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Avila33:
Maybe PSA can buy the rights to it! @PalmettoStateArmory |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/12/2020 9:58:24 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Unfortunately I think it would be a hard sell. Any company interested in making the ACR will likely look at the (lack of) sales numbers under Bushmaster and take a hard pass. |
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Posted: 2/13/2020 4:55:37 AM EDT
[#14]
If true that's unfortunate.
Makes me glad I bought a G36 instead though. 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 2/13/2020 2:43:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: O3scgt]
[#15]
its really a great rifle all the problems with sales just come from a lack of promotion and bushmaster failing with the aftermarket. Get one big youtuber to rehash the idea of the ACR in a positive light under someone elses control other than bushmaster and sales would likely take a steep turn around. At the 1500 dollar price point it absolutely blows the scar away in terms of performance and value unfortunately it was priced too high originally and under the control of idiots.
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ND, USA
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Posted: 2/14/2020 2:21:42 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigdog200399: Trust me, after running sales numbers I will 100% back this statement. The Acr market is a hard sale. I lost a lot of money on Acr related investments. One dealer I work with is 6-9k in the hole because of a lack of sales. There is a market but it is very difficult because an Acr isn’t as easy to manufacture as an ar15 in a lot of ways. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/14/2020 7:54:11 PM EDT
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You would have a really hard time to mill the area behind the supports on the bottom. I tried to under that area with a side cutter at my buddies Sot for a MG and it wouldn’t work. The other issue is the receiver is like 17 inches long so going in from the back would be difficult to do too.
If you had an extrusion it would be a different story. You’d need the supporting pieces too like a trunnion, carrier rails, deflector and technically a charging handle assembly. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 2/14/2020 9:24:48 PM EDT
[#18]
Thank you for the reply. I just saw that Ghost Gunner 3 at shot this year and thought “with a little bit of code...” But fair enough.
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KY, USA
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Posted: 2/14/2020 9:37:28 PM EDT
[#19]
I just picked one up last week and hope to get it to the range soon. I guess I should pick up a few spare parts. It is a really cool looking rifle.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/15/2020 12:56:44 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoDakWolfPack:
Thank you for the reply. I just saw that Ghost Gunner 3 at shot this year and thought “with a little bit of code...” But fair enough. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 2/15/2020 9:45:12 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigdog200399: Yeah it’s a lot more in depth with the Acr. I’ve thought into it a good amount and when it’s said and done you’d have the same amount in a ghost Acr as a real deal receiver. (Possibly with or without upgrades to either side too) |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2020 11:04:46 AM EDT
[#22]
Honestly I don’t know. For all the work I’ve done I’ve never really cared about the extrusions because they were always available. I imagine they do it through a contractor though.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/16/2020 10:52:15 PM EDT
[#23]
Chris at Small Arms Solutions is reporting that discontinuing of the ACR is temporary as Freedom Group deals with the pending legal actions for the Sandy Hook lawsuits. It appears Bushmaster and DPMS are both on hold until the situation is resolved. As others have pointed out the market is also soft and will probably ramp up as the election nears, hopefully Bushmaster will be up and running in time for election panic buying.
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AL, USA
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Posted: 2/17/2020 10:09:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mcb]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 37F:
Chris at Small Arms Solutions is reporting that discontinuing of the ACR is temporary as Freedom Group deals with the pending legal actions for the Sandy Hook lawsuits. It appears Bushmaster and DPMS are both on hold until the situation is resolved. As others have pointed out the market is also soft and will probably ramp up as the election nears, hopefully Bushmaster will be up and running in time for election panic buying. The Sandy Hook lawsuit reason seems like a BS reason too. That law suit has been reduced to a suit over marketing all other aspects of the case have been thrown out. The lawsuits around the 700 trigger had the potential to be far more serious and yet Remington has never stopped making 700's due to multiple lawsuits related to it. LOL on Bushmaster being back online by the election... 
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NE, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2020 7:08:18 PM EDT
[#25]
Bottom line..
Do you think the ACR is coming back? |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2020 9:40:40 PM EDT
[#26]
License it to Ruger. I've thought for a while they should jump in to the AR-18 game and make something.
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Posted: 2/21/2020 10:19:05 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz:
License it to Ruger. I've thought for a while they should jump in to the AR-18 game and make something. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 2/22/2020 1:57:34 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz:
License it to Ruger. I've thought for a while they should jump in to the AR-18 game and make something. |
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Posted: 2/22/2020 9:35:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ltcdwb]
[#29]
I know some folks here have a dislike of Brownell's, but they are doing a good job with their retro line of ARs and the BRN-180 uppers. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for them to license the ACR from MAGPUL.
ETA: I'm glad I was able to get the 6.8 SPC and 450 Bushmaster conversions before they dried up. |
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Posted: 2/22/2020 10:15:51 PM EDT
[#30]
Originally Posted By ltcdwb:
I know some folks here have a dislike of Brownell's, but they are doing a good job with their retro line of ARs and the BRN-180 uppers. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch for them to license the ACR from MAGPUL. ETA: I'm glad I was able to get the 6.8 SPC and 450 Bushmaster conversions before they dried up. |
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Posted: 2/22/2020 10:52:40 PM EDT
[#31]
I’m glad I bought mine when I did. It was made in Windham just prior to the “move”. I wanted a Maine marked gun before they closed. Not shot much. More of a personal collectors piece that has little value to others.
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Posted: 3/26/2020 3:07:41 PM EDT
[#32]
I'm glad I purchased the 10.5 barrel assembly when I did. Still need to wrangle up more spare parts. I have well over 20k through the ACR and remains trustworthy. At this point I plan to pickup a BREN 2 and place this little guy in the safe. He's been trucking since end of 2011 without issue.
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Posted: 3/31/2020 9:44:07 PM EDT
[#33]
With a lot of Bushmaster parts and incomplete rifles showing up at CDNN over the past few weeks, been leaving me wondering where all the ACR parts are? I was looking forward to one of the new rails
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USA
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Posted: 4/1/2020 6:28:49 AM EDT
[#34]
They dumped the ones available in their store for half price the week of Thanksgiving.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2020 9:43:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: GerryOwen]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Melvin_Johnson: Unfortunately I think it would be a hard sell. Any company interested in making the ACR will likely look at the (lack of) sales numbers under Bushmaster and take a hard pass. A big part of that was the spotty reputation it had for reliability due to Bushmaster QC and the lack of caliber change kits that never seemed to materialize... The price being nearly double at launch what it was promised didn’t help either. I know the former is what kept me from ever buying one. I too hope they come back. I always wanted one. |
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Posted: 4/1/2020 10:22:09 AM EDT
[#36]
I ad a chance of buying a ACR. It weighed more than my Daewoo K2. I walked away from it without a second thought.
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Posted: 4/1/2020 11:12:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL: They dumped the ones available in their store for half price the week of Thanksgiving. |
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Posted: 4/8/2020 12:51:10 AM EDT
[#38]
There’s a brand new tan one, never been fired, at my local shop. He’s asking $1,600, but will sell it to me for $1,500.I may pick it up for a collectors item.
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Posted: 4/13/2020 9:02:23 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Depidy_Dawg: There’s a brand new tan one, never been fired, at my local shop. He’s asking $1,600, but will sell it to me for $1,500.I may pick it up for a collectors item. @depidy_dawg I would get it if you want one. They are only going to get more expensive and you can make your money back if you sell it. |
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Posted: 4/13/2020 9:11:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Harmonic_Distortion]
[#40]
you should see one of MAC's posts today from FB.
going of my memory from reading that post earlier this morning: A fan had emailed him regarding the ACR and the experience the fan had when he bought an ACR and noticed a cracked Trunnion before it had ever been fired. Lng story short: He sent it to Remington, who has a 6-8 week backlog. & weeks in the guy contacts Remington and was told "The ACR is unrepairable and the model has been discontinued, so we destroyed it. We will send you a voucher or credit for other Remington products" Luckily, it turned out they hadn't yet destroyed it and the guy was lucky enough to get it back from them. |
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Posted: 4/13/2020 10:15:06 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ivan1: @depidy_dawg I would get it if you want one. They are only going to get more expensive and you can make your money back if you sell it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ivan1: Originally Posted By Depidy_Dawg: There’s a brand new tan one, never been fired, at my local shop. He’s asking $1,600, but will sell it to me for $1,500.I may pick it up for a collectors item. @depidy_dawg I would get it if you want one. They are only going to get more expensive and you can make your money back if you sell it. Thanks! |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2020 1:10:22 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Depidy_Dawg: Thanks! On Gunbroker they're going for over $1,600 when they pop up, so I'd definitely grab it. It can only appreciate in value from here. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/15/2020 1:10:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zeebz]
[#43]
Duplicate.
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Posted: 4/15/2020 2:00:46 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz: On Gunbroker they're going for over $1,600 when they pop up, so I'd definitely grab it. It can only appreciate in value from here. Sometimes guns sell for a big premium not long after they're discontinued because of the "Oh noes I should've gotten one!" factor. Then interest can decline and the value decrease. It just depends on current market demand. A product without support usually experiences less demand (on average). Do we know if Freedom Group will continue to support these? |
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Posted: 4/15/2020 3:09:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KGLaw]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: Do we know if Freedom Group will continue to support these? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: Do we know if Freedom Group will continue to support these? Doesn't sound it. An ACR returned for service recently was offered an exchange of credit for other Remington goods. The rifle was ultimately repaired and returned , but it doesn't sound like Remington's first choice is to do any service work to support the platform. Originally Posted By brich2929: you should see one of MAC's posts today from FB. going of my memory from reading that post earlier this morning: A fan had emailed him regarding the ACR and the experience the fan had when he bought an ACR and noticed a cracked Trunnion before it had ever been fired. Lng story short: He sent it to Remington, who has a 6-8 week backlog. & weeks in the guy contacts Remington and was told "The ACR is unrepairable and the model has been discontinued, so we destroyed it. We will send you a voucher or credit for other Remington products" Luckily, it turned out they hadn't yet destroyed it and the guy was lucky enough to get it back from them. ETA - Didn't notice this post before, but this is it. |
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Posted: 4/16/2020 10:25:15 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex: Doesn't sound it. An ACR returned for service recently was offered an exchange of credit for other Remington goods. The rifle was ultimately repaired and returned , but it doesn't sound like Remington's first choice is to do any service work to support the platform. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex: Originally Posted By KitBuilder: Do we know if Freedom Group will continue to support these? Doesn't sound it. An ACR returned for service recently was offered an exchange of credit for other Remington goods. The rifle was ultimately repaired and returned , but it doesn't sound like Remington's first choice is to do any service work to support the platform. The credit option may have been given because there is no one with knowledge of the ACR still in house. To my knowledge they fired almost everyone in those two companies. Labor is sadly one of the first things to be cut when times are tight. 
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2020 10:05:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bigdog200399]
[#47]
Remington will support the Acr for warranty. They took a large batch of their selling inventory and moved it to their warranty repair inventory. I watch the inventory numbers on certain parts and most of my long term supplies disappeared overnight. Regardless of what the customer service rep said above, Remington is supposed to still repair the rifle (not destroy customers rifles). That was from some very senior people in charge of the Acr program when it still existed.
ETA, I emailed a couple high up managers about the situation and they are looking into it tomorrow when they get to Remington. They said that the story doesn't sound right at all and will figure out exactly what happened. |
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Posted: 4/20/2020 10:23:15 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigdog200399: Remington will support the Acr for warranty. They took a large batch of their selling inventory and moved it to their warranty repair inventory. I watch the inventory numbers on certain parts and most of my long term supplies disappeared overnight. Regardless of what the customer service rep said above, Remington is supposed to still repair the rifle (not destroy customers rifles). That was from some very senior people in charge of the Acr program when it still existed. ETA, I emailed a couple high up managers about the situation and they are looking into it tomorrow when they get to Remington. They said that the story doesn't sound right at all and will figure out exactly what happened. Good to hear. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2020 8:29:39 AM EDT
[#49]
So I did a little digging and talked to Remington about this and here’s what I came up with. The contact I talked to is a very senior employee of Remington and is looking into this more to see what exactly happened
First off, they definitely have parts there for warranty. This is something I found out, as well as was confirmed by the contact I talked to. They also have full rifles for catastrophic failures (this is extremely rare but just in case). I had a customer have something go wrong on his rifle and they swapped it for his choice of a new Acr. He went from a 556 rifle to a 300blk factory rifle. He’s waiting for the 300 barrel to arrive so he can trade it to me for credit for work. If this rifle was supposed to be destroyed they would have given more than a credit option. They would have offered a replacement rifle or something along those lines as well. The contact I talked to looked through the list of warranty repairs and didn’t find the rifle. There were a couple Acr’s but not many at all. If I had the serial number I could get it to him and find out exactly what happened. With that being said, all I can go off of is a Facebook post and an estimated timeline which would be anywhere from January to now since the rifle was discontinued at/around shot show. Last but not least, the story just sounds off. I’m not saying it didn’t happen or anything was being lied about but for them to offer just a store credit doesn’t sound right. If someone can put me in contact with the person who emailed Tim I’ll be able to find the exact issue. I’ll reach out to Tim as well. |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2020 2:14:10 PM EDT
[#50]
So will the ACR be supported in the foreseeable future?
Just parts replacement? Continue with current barrel conversion kits? Will 3rd party suppliers continue to innovate? |
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