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Posted: 3/8/2018 12:18:30 PM EDT
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Just use 3.5 grain W 231 or about the same titegroup
faster burning powder will fix it |
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Posted: 3/8/2018 1:12:48 PM EDT
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Just use 3.5 grain W 231 or about the same titegroup faster burning powder will fix it The powder you want is Titegroup. It seems to perform the best in suppressors. Personally - it is odd to me that it works so well in suppressors since it burns really hot. But despite the heat, many guys (me included) find it to be the quietest. |
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Posted: 3/8/2018 1:21:12 PM EDT
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I’ve got a bunch of TG, so I’ll give it a shot.
Thanks. |
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Posted: 3/8/2018 1:39:31 PM EDT
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I'm using 4.6 grains of Power Pistol with jacketed 147 (Hornady FMJ and XTP) to get 950 fps. Accurate, reliable and quiet.
You want a faster powder with lead (or plated) bullets - WW-231, HP-38, Bullseye and maybe Unique. Plated bullets use lead bullet data and powders. |
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Posted: 3/8/2018 1:50:54 PM EDT
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I'm using 4.6 grains of Power Pistol with jacketed 147 (Hornady FMJ and XTP) to get 950 fps. Accurate, reliable and quiet. You want a faster powder with lead (or plated) bullets - WW-231, HP-38, Bullseye and maybe Unique. Plated bullets use lead bullet data and powders. |
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Posted: 3/8/2018 2:11:45 PM EDT
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I'd try the TG if there is data for it. I either use Unique or Bullseye sorry can't remember which right now but most of my 9mm ammo has been worked up using both of those. I get similar results it just takes a little more Unique to match the Bullseye which is also why I usually use the Bullseye.
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Posted: 3/8/2018 2:30:23 PM EDT
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You need a faster powder.
Unburnt grains and sooty cases are the result of low pressure and incomplete combustion, typically from too light of a charge. Take a look at one of the powder burn rate charts and pick a powder faster on the scale than Power Pistol. |
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Posted: 3/8/2018 2:41:26 PM EDT
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You need a faster powder. Unburnt grains and sooty cases are the result of low pressure and incomplete combustion, typically from too light of a charge. Take a look at one of the powder burn rate charts and pick a powder faster on the scale than Power Pistol. I’m loading mid-top of the Hornady load data. (750-1050fps) i laddered from 800-1050 and it was all sooty. I’m not sure if it’s the fluted barrel or the powder, but I’m not getting a good burn. |
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Posted: 3/8/2018 3:20:02 PM EDT
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I’m aware. I’m loading mid-top of the Hornady load data. (750-1050fps) i laddered from 800-1050 and it was all sooty. I’m not sure if it’s the fluted barrel or the powder, but I’m not getting a good burn. 
I can't imagine that you are getting enough blowback from the chamber flutes to lower the pressure enough to get a dirty burn. I also wouldn't advise using magnum primers. In my earlier reloading days I tried to do the same thing, following the same line of thinking you are now. Ultimately I never had much success with that approach. My pressures and velocities seemed to get very erratic and the accuracy went to shit. Now I relegate mag primers only for those powders that are hard to ignite (H110/W296 and the like), not for tuning loads. Faster powder is truly the correct...and only answer. |
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Posted: 3/9/2018 10:57:07 PM EDT
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3.5gr TITEGROUP for lst 11yr...
It run UZI & M11/9 Slowfire like nobody business HK empties  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/10/2018 12:07:41 AM EDT
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Try 3.6 gr of VV N320....
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Posted: 3/10/2018 9:51:46 AM EDT
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Try 3.6 gr of VV N320.... |
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Posted: 3/10/2018 10:20:13 AM EDT
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Try 3.6 gr of VV N320.... |
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Posted: 3/10/2018 12:02:25 PM EDT
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My N320 USPSA loads sound amazing out of my Octane 9. It's also cleaner and cooler burning than titegroup.
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Posted: 3/10/2018 12:11:24 PM EDT
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My N320 USPSA loads sound amazing out of my Octane 9. It's also cleaner and cooler burning than titegroup. |
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Posted: 3/10/2018 1:08:02 PM EDT
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I looked at the Hodgdon web site. I went looking for the W231 loads but they have none for the 147 gr bullets. Instead, they recommend WSF. The WSF loads they publish for 147 gr projectiles are all subsonic.
I've used both powders and know either would work for you. Of course, you need to work up a load for your application. |
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Posted: 3/10/2018 8:47:31 PM EDT
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No n320 to find today, but grabbed a bottle of blue dot and loaded 100rds lattered.
I’ll try and grab n320 at cabelas tomorrow |
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Posted: 3/11/2018 12:32:51 PM EDT
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Just use 3.5 grain W 231 or about the same titegroup faster burning powder will fix it W231, Bullseye, AA#2... Something like that. |
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Posted: 3/11/2018 2:44:07 PM EDT
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Scratch blue dot.
No VV today. TG and bullseye are next. |
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Posted: 3/11/2018 11:27:57 PM EDT
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I haven't tried Solo 1000 yet, but have heard good things about it and its only list of powders to try...
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Posted: 3/12/2018 6:40:01 AM EDT
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I haven't tried Solo 1000 yet, but have heard good things about it and its only list of powders to try... |
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Posted: 3/12/2018 7:31:30 AM EDT
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3.4 gr Titegroup will do the trick. I’ve fired thousands of very quiet suppressed rounds out of my 7” upper with either Berry’s, X-treme, or Rainier 147 gr round nose.
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Posted: 3/12/2018 8:19:27 AM EDT
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Scratch blue dot. |
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Posted: 3/12/2018 8:52:39 AM EDT
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I have always found blue dot to be pretty quirky in 9mm. Lots of people talk about funky pressure spikes. I just found it never grouped all that well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Scratch blue dot. Metered well though 
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Posted: 3/12/2018 10:14:17 AM EDT
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I was thinking about posting about my similar problem. I’m using 147’s, S&B primers and 3.4 of Titegroup and am noticing a lot of soot on my pistols that I hadn’t seen before. These rounds chrono 950-960. I’m super invested in these components I have as I’ve had good luck in the past. Not sure what to do.
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Posted: 3/12/2018 11:09:28 AM EDT
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Relevant to my interests as I am down to 2lbs of TG and need to order supplies. Never had a issues or been bothered by or noticed extra soot, un-burnt powder so not sure if I can really justify N320 at the prices I see. 90% of the 9mm I shoot is suppressed from a CZ Scorpion and AR 9 so they get dirty.
Titegroup $67 4lbs Titegroup $130 8lbs Viht N320 $114 4lbs Very tempted to just order 4lbs N320. I can not find a negative thing said about it online. |
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Posted: 3/12/2018 11:14:53 AM EDT
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Relevant to my interests as I am down to 2lbs of TG and need to order supplies. Never had a issues or been bothered by or noticed extra soot, un-burnt powder so not sure if I can really justify N320 at the prices I see. 90% of the 9mm I shoot is suppressed from a CZ Scorpion and AR 9 so they get dirty. Titegroup $67 4lbs Titegroup $130 8lbs Viht N320 $114 4lbs Very tempted to just order 4lbs N320. I can not find a negative thing said about it online. |
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Posted: 3/12/2018 12:22:09 PM EDT
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What about trying to increase pressure by changing seating depth or crimp??
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Posted: 3/12/2018 6:14:29 PM EDT
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Anyone tried Bullseye? I'm in a similar boat. Been loading Unique until I used it up. Wanted to move to something cleaner.
I only ask because I've already got a pound. |
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Posted: 3/17/2018 5:29:40 PM EDT
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I looked at the Hodgdon web site. I went looking for the W231 loads but they have none for the 147 gr bullets. Instead, they recommend WSF. The WSF loads they publish for 147 gr projectiles are all subsonic. I also liked AA#7 with 147's but it takes more powder (6-7grains) so it's not quite as economical. It's a very fine powder, so it meters very well. Accuracy with the same 147gr Hornady bullets was very good. You can probably squeeze more velocity from #7 than other powders with 147's... unless you step up to VV 3N38. |
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Posted: 3/17/2018 8:42:06 PM EDT
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I was thinking about posting about my similar problem. I’m using 147’s, S&B primers and 3.4 of Titegroup and am noticing a lot of soot on my pistols that I hadn’t seen before. These rounds chrono 950-960. I’m super invested in these components I have as I’ve had good luck in the past. Not sure what to do. I shoot about 75% suppressed from my Glocks so the brass is dirty anyways but I shoot 3.5gr TG (to ensure function in the cold), 147gr Xtreme RN, CCI #500. |
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Posted: 3/18/2018 7:39:22 PM EDT
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I appreciate all the feedback, after trying 5 stores for n320 and striking out I loaded up TG testers. I’ll hit the range this next weekend and run them through my 2 mp5 clones and see if I have a winner.
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Posted: 3/18/2018 7:48:52 PM EDT
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I usually run 3.4-3.5 of Tightgroup.
I've ran into one problem though. I lube all my brass before sizing (Dillon Case Lube) and I just bought a dry tumbler (been just doing the Frankford Arsenal wet with stainless media). So my first run of 147gr 9mm I had 3 out of a couple hundred get stuck in the barrel of 2 out of my 4 M&P9's. I'm thinking either I missed a powder charge using my Dillon 550 as I am brand new to this, or the lube contaminated the powder and it didn't all go off. Just something to keep in mind so nobody makes the same dumb mistake I have. I'm set on Titegroup though. The ~297 that did work as intended were surprisingly quiet out of both the Osprey 9 on my handguns, and the Rugged Obsidian 45 out of the CZ Scorpion. Love shooting the Scorpion outside, the impact on the dirt berm 50-100 yards away is noticeably louder than the gun with these reloads. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 1:55:42 AM EDT
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My sooty Titegroup rounds are more of a problem around the front of the slide.
I wet tumble with SS pins. Brass come out as new. I do not lube cases. My understanding has been that increasing pressure could decrease the soot. I’m still thinking about increasing bullet depth to see what changes. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 3:00:50 AM EDT
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Here is my Load:
Xtreme 147gr 9mm 1.165" OAL CCI SPP Win 231 Range Brass Locks back all of my dirty hand guns (where 3gr didn't and 3.1gr did sometimes) and sounds really quiet suppressed. |
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Posted: 3/20/2018 7:38:19 PM EDT
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For whatever it is worth, I recently tried WSF for my 9mm loads using 147gr Hornady FMJ bullets. I am loading ~4.0gr (max or near max load, work up) and getting mid to high 900's velocities from my Glocks (19's, 34). |
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