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Posted: 9/18/2020 7:21:04 PM EDT
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I’ve emailed CH4D about their shell holder. I asked Hornady about the shell holder (and a shell plate too) months ago, and I haven’t gotten anything back.
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2020 7:22:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/19/2020 12:34:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Donut777donut: Says 3 in-stock here. It’s down to 2 in stock now; I just ordered one from them. They were indeed in stock at Natchez, but Tombstone’s shipping is better, so I went with them. |
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Posted: 9/19/2020 9:28:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GHPorter: It’s down to 2 in stock now; I just ordered one from them. They were indeed in stock at Natchez, but Tombstone’s shipping is better, so I went with them. Just ordered one of the 2 left. |
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Posted: 9/20/2020 6:24:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50cal: Just ordered one of the 2 left. Did you get a confirmation email from Tombstone? I didn’t... |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 3:06:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GHPorter: Did you get a confirmation email from Tombstone? I didn’t... Got an email about 2 hours ago. Order cancelled and refunded. Out of stock. I guess their inventory count was off. Oh well. Will hunt a shell holder later. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 7:31:38 PM EDT
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I still haven’t heard from them - either with a confirmation email or a reply to my question... Hmmmmmm
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Posted: 9/21/2020 10:50:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 50cal]
[#8]
Natchez has them for $6.99
But we in Tennessee can't order from Natchez. Some agreement they have with distributors or dealers. Found one on ebay for $6.99 shipped. @GHPorter |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 8:50:40 PM EDT
[#9]
I actually DID get an email from Tombstone on the day I ordered. Gmail simply hid it from me by classifying it as a "promotion" email.
They say it "had to be ordered in from a warehouse." So it's all good, I'm just easily confused. 
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Posted: 9/23/2020 8:51:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GHPorter]
[#10]
Glitch...
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Posted: 9/23/2020 8:52:37 PM EDT
[#11]
I actually DID get an email from Tombstone on the day I ordered. Gmail simply hid it from me by classifying it as a "promotion" email.
They say it "had to be ordered in from a warehouse." So it's all good, I'm just easily confused.
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Posted: 9/24/2020 4:43:20 AM EDT
[#12]
Received the 5.45 60g projectiles I ordered last week. Nice and clean with no pull marks.
Ordered a Hornady New Dimension die set yesterday. It was the only set of dies I could find. |
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Posted: 9/26/2020 1:11:16 PM EDT
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At the moment, I think Hornady is the only company making dies for this caliber as a “regular stock item.” You can get them from CH-4D, but you have to send them fired cases so they can make the sizing die for you.
I got a reply from CH-4D about a question I had about their shell holder. They really do want you to send them a case or two so they can make sure the holder fits, so I think they’re really sort of making them to order too. I’m still waiting for my Tombstone shell holder, with no shipping notification yet. |
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Posted: 9/29/2020 12:47:16 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GHPorter: At the moment, I think Hornady is the only company making dies for this caliber as a “regular stock item.” You can get them from CH-4D, but you have to send them fired cases so they can make the sizing die for you. I got a reply from CH-4D about a question I had about their shell holder. They really do want you to send them a case or two so they can make sure the holder fits, so I think they’re really sort of making them to order too. I’m still waiting for my Tombstone shell holder, with no shipping notification yet. I bought a set of 5.45x39 dies from CH-4D years ago and while they didn't request fired cases (as only steel case was available then?) they did take a bit to arrive and were likely an as requested item. That said, I've never used them so have no idea if they'll actually work with the Hornady brass cased ammo I bought. Fingers crossed 
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CA, USA
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Posted: 10/16/2020 12:06:26 AM EDT
[#15]
I was in the same boat, no #56 shellholder in stock anywhere. If it helps, a lee #6 shellholder fits, ended up getting mine last week. Midway has die sets in stock for $54.99 + Hornady's "Get Loaded" promotion, 100 free bullets (I just had to pay $6.95 for shipping). I can confirm that the 60 gr. .2215" projectiles from hi tech are magnetic bi-metal (steel & copper jacket) no steel core. From the looks of the one I sectioned I believe they still have the air pocket but it was hard to tell as the core melted from the friction generated heat. Now it's time to procure brass and Hornady is oos everywhere, anyone have any extra they want to get rid of. Also emailed Starline, here's the response; We do hope to eventually make 5.45x39 brass but this year has just been too crazy to work on any new calibers.
Regards, Hunter Pilant Process Manager Chief Ballistician [email protected] |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 12/23/2020 2:05:57 AM EDT
[#16]
Natchezss shows 5 of the #56 shell holders in stock.
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Posted: 1/19/2021 6:20:22 PM EDT
[#17]
I got my shell holder some time in early December. But other than making sure it was in spec for my brass, I haven’t done anything with it yet. Too busy at work to have time at home for even checking into the loading room...
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Posted: 1/20/2021 12:28:53 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GHPorter: I got my shell holder some time in early December. But other than making sure it was in spec for my brass, I haven't done anything with it yet. Too busy at work to have time at home for even checking into the loading room... 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2021 12:09:41 AM EDT
[#19]
For 5.45x39 Reloaders. I received an email from Hi-Techammo stating " The bullets were pulled from Russian Barnual Ammunition"
Hope this helps. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/14/2021 4:32:25 PM EDT
[#20]
I finally got to test a load in the SSG82 bolt action and with the Hornady brass and 60gr V-Max I was running just over 3000fps using 23.5gr of 8208XBR. velocity was very consistent in the almost 24 in barrel. Not sure how this load would do in the AR or the AK 74. It is nice that there are finally reloadable cases and bullets available. Load data seems a little scarce though. I've had really good results with the 8208 in the 6.5 Grendel AR and friends have been using it for other similar sized cartridges in their ARs.
Hope that helps Frank |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 3/16/2021 1:31:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: kicsibors]
[#21]
Thanks for the update, Frank!
I loaded some rounds yesterday too, but they are completely different except for the projectile. Unfortunately, I haven’t found any in-stock brass and haven’t bought a 5.45 shell holder yet, so I formed my 5.45 brass from once-fired 350 Legend. This led to an arduous process: anneal, trim, form, decrimp primer pocket, turn the necks, trim to 1.55”, deburr/chamfer. I’d definitely like some proper brass eventually, but I have around 60-70 pieces of 350 Legend brass and no gun in that caliber, so I don’t mind using them up for this. I loaded some of the 60-grain V-Max over 21.5 grains of Shooters World AR-Plus (similar to Accurate 2230). I’ll fire-form them today or tomorrow, and I expect 2600-2700 fps from my 16” Huldra (Adams) Arms upper. After the fire-forming, I’ll pressure test them with up to 23.5 gr of AR-Plus. If I don’t hit pressure signs, I’ll keep going. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 3/17/2021 3:32:17 PM EDT
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Quick update:
With the 21.5 grains of Shooters World AR-Plus, Wolf SRP, and 60 grain V-Max seated to 2.265”, I averaged 2744 fps with no pressure signs. That’s about 100 fps higher than I expected and only 25 lb-ft of energy shy of the 7N6 I chronoed today, so I don’t expect to make it to 23.5 grains of this powder without major pressure signs. Those 7 pieces of brass are tumbling now, and I’ll convert more another day. I also measured the average case capacity in grains of water. The once-fired 5.45x39 converted from 350 Legend brass averages about 26.9 grains of water, while 7N6 cases have a tad more, with the one case I measured being 27.3 grains of water. These measurements were with dirty cases, so I’ll measure water capacity after cleaning, and again after sizing, if I don’t forget to. Anyone measure their Hornady brass for case capacity? I’ve heard reports of what it’s supposed to be, but don’t recall seeing anyone who’s actually checked. Thanks! |
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Posted: 3/17/2021 4:30:43 PM EDT
[#23]
Subbed for interest. I have the dies, but no brass or LNL shell plate yet. Eventually my neckbeard of 5.45 will run out and I will need to reload this caliber to feed my ever hungry '74s.
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MD, USA
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Posted: 3/18/2021 6:39:23 PM EDT
[#24]
I called Hornady today for info on the 5.45, and I was given start and max loads for one combination:
Hornady brass 60 grain V-Max 22.5-25.5 grains of CFE223 |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 3/21/2021 4:50:31 PM EDT
[#25]
I performed a short pressure test yesterday:
60 gr V-Max @2.265” Wolf SRP Shooters World AR-Plus One load each at 22.0, 22.3, 22.6, 22.9, and 23.2 grains No pressure signs on any of the cases, and max velocity I saw was 2940 fps! I think 23.5 and a few more smaller steps are in order, and I have high hopes of safely reaching 3000 fps. I’ll probably load 10 of the 23.2 to check for average velocity of a long string first. The only issue I see is that the 5.45 bolt doesn’t fully engage the case rim, causing a little bit of damage during extraction. Also, I’m only working with iron sights at present, so accuracy testing wouldn’t show much, but I might still try. |
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Posted: 3/25/2021 8:28:58 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kicsibors: I called Hornady today for info on the 5.45, and I was given start and max loads for one combination: Hornady brass 60 grain V-Max 22.5-25.5 grains of CFE223 Do they plan on publishing data in their ManuAl? |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2021 2:48:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LuxorDeathbed: Do they plan on publishing data in their ManuAl? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LuxorDeathbed: Originally Posted By kicsibors: I called Hornady today for info on the 5.45, and I was given start and max loads for one combination: Hornady brass 60 grain V-Max 22.5-25.5 grains of CFE223 Do they plan on publishing data in their ManuAl? I was told that 5.45 is low priority, but that it might show up in the next edition of their manual. |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2021 10:42:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Air_Soft_Contractor]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50cal: What size shell holder does it require? Is it the same as 9x19? 5.45x39 is similar to 9mm Luger. Hornady shell holder #56 is listed for 5.45x39. Hornady #7 may fit. Hornady #8 is for 9mm. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 4:04:12 PM EDT
[#29]
The #56 shell holder works well with Hornady’s brass (and I verified this with steel cased surplus rounds too). It has an odd rim/head dimension, exactly 10.0mm, which is pretty rare for Western cartridges.
A shell holder for 9x23 Winchester might work too, but 9x19’s rim is just small enough that the 5.45 case rim may not fit. So...if a shell holder is advertised as fitting 9x23 (which has essentially identical rim dimensions as the 5.45) then is may work. Which makes me think that maybe I should see if any of my 9mm shell holders work... If the Dillon 9mm plate fits, I am farther along than I thought I was... |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 4:24:33 PM EDT
[#30]
I just checked; my RCBS 9x19 shell holder is too snug for Hornady brass. But BOTH my Dillon and Hornady shell plates for 9mm work fine. I’m very happy now; I managed to find a #56 shell holder a while back, so I can size the brass, and now I know I can load the stuff on either one of my progressives.
As I mentioned (about a year ago!), I have tooling to size down bulk .224 bullets to about 0.2213”, so I have plenty of 55 grain bullets to play with. And I have CFE223 (and a number of other similar powders), so once I can get to it, I should be able to put together some test rounds. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 4:47:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50cal: Hadn't thought about loading 5.45 Lots of good reading here. Thanks. Ordered a few hundred of the HiTech pulls. Off to get some brass(that I had no idea was available). You might be able to contact lee and get theirs. They had some custom dies made years ago that I managed to snag. I don't know if the shell holder was custom though. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 7:43:28 PM EDT
[#32]
I just verified that Lee’s #19 shell holder (for 9mm) works with Hornady’s 5.45 brass.
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MD, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2021 9:59:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kicsibors]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GHPorter: I just verified that Lee’s #19 shell holder (for 9mm) works with Hornady’s 5.45 brass. That’s awesome! Thanks for checking. I took a look at my Lee hand-priming shell holders, and the #19 did indeed fit my 7N6 with a little side-side slop but snug on the rim! Now, if I get a Lee 9x19 or 40 S&W die set like I’ve been considering, I’ll automatically have a 5.45x39 shell holder, or I can just order the #19 separately. |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 10:52:14 AM EDT
[#34]
I tried a .40 shell holder when I first thought about loading this caliber. It isn’t really workable because there’s a lot of slop with a 5.45 case in a .40 S&W shell holder. The .40 case rim is 0.77mm larger than the 5.45 case.
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MD, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2021 6:22:34 PM EDT
[#35]
Lee states that their #19 is for both 9x19 and 40S&W (as well as others).
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Posted: 3/27/2021 7:06:21 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kicsibors: Lee states that their #19 is for both 9x19 and 40S&W (as well as others). Interesting. I didn't look at their chart for the .40, since my other .40 shell holders were too sloppy with the 5.45s. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2021 7:58:45 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kicsibors: I called Hornady today for info on the 5.45, and I was given start and max loads for one combination: Hornady brass 60 grain V-Max 22.5-25.5 grains of CFE223 Did they happen to mention any other powders? |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2021 11:24:49 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mace2364: Did they happen to mention any other powders? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mace2364: Originally Posted By kicsibors: I called Hornady today for info on the 5.45, and I was given start and max loads for one combination: Hornady brass 60 grain V-Max 22.5-25.5 grains of CFE223 Did they happen to mention any other powders? Unfortunately not. However, between the Western Powders rep telling us 21.5-23.5 gr of Accurate 2230, my getting all the way up to 23.2 gr Shooters World AR-Plus with no pressure signs, the above CFE load from Hornady, and the data that the guys forming from 222 REM brass have put out in years past, we have a lot to work with. I do still look forward to Hornady giving us published data. Also, I have decided that I want to try Shooters World Tactical as well, and I think that I’ll start at 22.5 gr and work up slowly. |
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Posted: 3/28/2021 12:40:12 PM EDT
[#39]
It's going to wind up being "powders that are appropriate for .222, or similar rounds" because it's in that class. If you check Hodgdon's online reloading data for .222 Remington you'll see similar powder numbers for CFE223 (a little lower; 22.3-24.3gr) with a 60 gr. bullet.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2021 12:26:53 AM EDT
[#40]
Not sure how much help it will be but I just assembled a few test loads. Got the Hornady dies and shell holder and thought I would play. I resized some steel Red Army steel cases. Popped the primers out and replaced them with Alcan 199b berdans. Used IMR 4198 since it's all could find these days from 17 to 19 grains in half grain increments and Hornady 60gr Vmax bullets. Two rounds of each over my Chrony F1 and it showed about 2660 fps to 2805 fps. Don't have what was written down at the moment.
Hornady manual I have says for 222 remington 19.5gr for a 55 grain bullet. I might try increasing the charge when I get more empties. Not sure how useful this was since not to many people have berdan primers that will fit. Just thought I'd share. |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2021 12:48:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Air_Soft_Contractor]
[#41]
In the factory Hornady ammo I measured 24.0 grains of ball powder.
It is something slower than H335 or A2230. Since they quoted CFE223 data, that might be it, but it seems a bit slow at 24.0 grains, but maybe it is. The other thing I noted was, CCI-450 primers are a bit hotter than CCI-400 primers and BR-4 primers seem similar to the CCI-450 primers, but CCI #41 (Blount #41) primers are much hotter. Things really picked up with the mil spec #41 primers and they are hotter than CCI-450 Magnum primers. |
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Posted: 4/20/2021 2:55:14 PM EDT
[#42]
Hornady 11th is suppose to have 5.45 data. Picking it up for this reason and a few others.
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Posted: 4/21/2021 7:52:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: towerofpower94]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LuxorDeathbed: Hornady 11th is suppose to have 5.45 data. Picking it up for this reason and a few others. Good to know. Please follow-up once you have ot in hand and can confirm if they added 5.45 data. |
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Posted: 4/21/2021 1:46:39 PM EDT
[#44]
I can’t find Hornady 11 available yet. Am I just not looking in the right place?
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2021 1:50:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Air_Soft_Contractor]
[#45]
The book is listed as coming soon.
Some people, a month or so ago, claimed Fall of 2021. Some people claim of you have the app that it shows the 5.45x39 load data as available, but it is a pay per cartridge app and none of those that have the app wanted 5.45x39 load data, so far. |
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Posted: 4/21/2021 8:50:39 PM EDT
[#46]
https://press.hornady.com/release/2021/03/31/hornady-11th-edition-handbook-of-cartridge-reloading-coming-soon/?rel=ampfrom
Here is where i learned about 5.45 being in the book. |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/22/2021 1:00:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Air_Soft_Contractor]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LuxorDeathbed: https://press.hornady.com/release/2021/03/31/hornady-11th-edition-handbook-of-cartridge-reloading-coming-soon/?rel=ampfrom Here is where i learned about 5.45 being in the book. On another website, somebody that has the app said that 5.45x39 is now listed on the app and posted a screen shot of the cartridge list. They didn't get the 5.45x39 load data because they don't load it, but I think it is only 99 cents per cartridge, but I'm, not sure. I don't have a smart phone, so I can't check the app. |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2021 12:27:08 PM EDT
[#48]
Considering that AK74's have large rifle primer firing pin protrusion and that Hornady 5.45x39 cases take small rifle primers, it would be wise to use some tough primers, like #41 primers.
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Posted: 4/24/2021 1:43:44 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor: Considering that AK74's have large rifle primer firing pin protrusion and that Hornady 5.45x39 cases take small rifle primers, it would be wise to use some tough primers, like #41 primers. I’m not sure what you mean about firing pin protrusion. The one ‘74 I had didn’t seem to have any more firing pin protrusion than an AR’s firing pin has. Military 5.45 uses pretty much the same Berdan primer that Berdan primed .223 uses; it’s NOT a “large rifle” primer. Also, the 7.62x39mm round uses a special, quite short primer, and doesn’t need extra protrusion to set off the primers. I have an AR in 5.45, and it doesn’t need even a heavy duty hammer spring to set those rounds off. Since it’s a piston upper, the whole issue of a floating firing pin isn’t a player - the bolt has a spring to make it extend for locking, so that sort of acts like a firing pin spring. On the other hand, if you’re using an AK74, which has a floating firing pin, I’d experiment with how tough your primers need to be. While military 5.45 does have corrosive priming, I don’t think it uses particularly tough cups. I haven’t done real measurements on cup thickness for those primers, so I don’t know for sure. |
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DC, USA
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Posted: 4/24/2021 2:30:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Air_Soft_Contractor]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GHPorter: I’m not sure what you mean about firing pin protrusion. The one ‘74 I had didn’t seem to have any more firing pin protrusion than an AR’s firing pin has. Military 5.45 uses pretty much the same Berdan primer that Berdan primed .223 uses; it’s NOT a “large rifle” primer. Also, the 7.62x39mm round uses a special, quite short primer, and doesn’t need extra protrusion to set off the primers. I have an AR in 5.45, and it doesn’t need even a heavy duty hammer spring to set those rounds off. Since it’s a piston upper, the whole issue of a floating firing pin isn’t a player - the bolt has a spring to make it extend for locking, so that sort of acts like a firing pin spring. On the other hand, if you’re using an AK74, which has a floating firing pin, I’d experiment with how tough your primers need to be. While military 5.45 does have corrosive priming, I don’t think it uses particularly tough cups. I haven’t done real measurements on cup thickness for those primers, so I don’t know for sure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GHPorter: Originally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor: Considering that AK74's have large rifle primer firing pin protrusion and that Hornady 5.45x39 cases take small rifle primers, it would be wise to use some tough primers, like #41 primers. I’m not sure what you mean about firing pin protrusion. The one ‘74 I had didn’t seem to have any more firing pin protrusion than an AR’s firing pin has. Military 5.45 uses pretty much the same Berdan primer that Berdan primed .223 uses; it’s NOT a “large rifle” primer. Also, the 7.62x39mm round uses a special, quite short primer, and doesn’t need extra protrusion to set off the primers. I have an AR in 5.45, and it doesn’t need even a heavy duty hammer spring to set those rounds off. Since it’s a piston upper, the whole issue of a floating firing pin isn’t a player - the bolt has a spring to make it extend for locking, so that sort of acts like a firing pin spring. On the other hand, if you’re using an AK74, which has a floating firing pin, I’d experiment with how tough your primers need to be. While military 5.45 does have corrosive priming, I don’t think it uses particularly tough cups. I haven’t done real measurements on cup thickness for those primers, so I don’t know for sure. AK74's do have more firing pin protrusion than 5.56 AR's. It is the same amount as M14's and AR10's. 5.56 AR15 = 0.028" to 0.036". 5.45 AK74 = 0.055" to 0.060". That's nearly twice as much as small rifle primers are designed for. |
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