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Posted: 11/13/2018 1:39:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Got it. Wasn't clear to me what you were responding to because of the single quotes. My mistake. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 1:54:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX:
Another one who needs to ask Santa for reading comprehension. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX:
Originally Posted By fettesbrotde:
You're completely and utterly wrong. No need to get salty. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 1:56:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fettesbrotde:
Unless the quote tree is there, no one would understand the context. Makes sense now. No need to get salty. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 2:04:11 PM EDT
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I'll be the dunce in the corner who still doesn't understand: When my dealer calls and says "stamp's here" and I go pick up the can, I have to fill out a 4473. Are you saying there is NOT a background check done at this time? In my mind 4473 and BGC are the same thing.
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Posted: 11/13/2018 2:11:26 PM EDT
[#5]
41F can suck it
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Posted: 11/13/2018 2:14:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RenegadeX]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington:
I'll be the dunce in the corner who still doesn't understand: When my dealer calls and says "stamp's here" and I go pick up the can, I have to fill out a 4473. Are you saying there is NOT a background check done at this time? In my mind 4473 and BGC are the same thing. When you send in fingerprint cards, that is the background check. When you dealer phones in your info off a 4473, that is a NICS check. State rules may differ wrt to 4473 checks. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 2:21:08 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington:
I'll be the dunce in the corner who still doesn't understand: When my dealer calls and says "stamp's here" and I go pick up the can, I have to fill out a 4473. Are you saying there is NOT a background check done at this time? In my mind 4473 and BGC are the same thing. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 2:31:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TinyCrumb]
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington:
I'll be the dunce in the corner who still doesn't understand: When my dealer calls and says "stamp's here" and I go pick up the can, I have to fill out a 4473. Are you saying there is NOT a background check done at this time? In my mind 4473 and BGC are the same thing. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 3:18:13 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Right, you still fill out a 4473. They just don't call in / go online and do a NICS check. Two separate things that are normally done together for standard gun purchases — which is why it's easy to get confused and think it's the same thing. Only one happens when you pick up your stamp. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 3:29:46 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington:
So that means having a LTC/CHL does you no benefit when picking up an NFA item? |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 3:43:53 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX:
Effenpig took my answer out of context, and shit rolled downhill. "Exit thread" was pretty witty, I got a chuckle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RenegadeX:
Originally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Got it. Wasn't clear to me what you were responding to because of the single quotes. My mistake. Instead of putting it into context, you chose to just repeat yourself and make cute comments You must work at a gun store in some capacity. I'd recognize that special breed anywhere lol |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 3:47:11 PM EDT
[#12]
9 months since purchase
8 months since the checks cleared 3 months since "pending FBI background check with at least 6 months to go" I wrote both my senator and congressman today about the issue. So I will see what they have to say. Other than that, I'm just going to do my best to forget about the whole thing. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 3:57:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig: Actually, I took your answer in the exact context it was in Instead of putting it into context, you chose to just repeat yourself and make cute comments You must work at a gun store in some capacity. I'd recognize that special breed anywhere lol I don't care to read about people sword fighting with their dicks in tech forums |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 4:05:06 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshInReno:
9 months since purchase 8 months since the checks cleared 3 months since "pending FBI background check with at least 6 months to go" I wrote both my senator and congressman today about the issue. So I will see what they have to say. Other than that, I'm just going to do my best to forget about the whole thing. Many that get stuck have been running 11 to 12 months total |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 4:53:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig:
Curious why you say "at least 6 months to go"? Many that get stuck have been running 11 to 12 months total Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig:
Originally Posted By JoshInReno:
9 months since purchase 8 months since the checks cleared 3 months since "pending FBI background check with at least 6 months to go" I wrote both my senator and congressman today about the issue. So I will see what they have to say. Other than that, I'm just going to do my best to forget about the whole thing. Many that get stuck have been running 11 to 12 months total I sure hope she was wrong. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 5:45:43 PM EDT
[#16]
Called today to see... was told... "your submission is pending, waiting to be assigned to an examiner"... does that mean my BG check hasn't even been done?
Check cashed date was July 24th so I know I might still have a while. Have an E-file Form 1 from Oct 31st hope that comes back this week. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 5:53:39 PM EDT
[#17]
Form 4 Individual check was cashed 3/11, Form 1 Individual check was cashed 4/10. I called today for the first time and was told they were waiting on the FBI check. Then I was directed to this thread by BW. I hope I don't get stuck in the black hole, but I'm just gonna keep waiting for now since I'm still in the "normal" time frame. I filed both forms through a Silencer Shop kiosk.
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Posted: 11/13/2018 6:32:07 PM EDT
[#18]
UPDATE!
I am now approved. Got the “Proceed” on my Form 1 and 4. Reaching out for help from a local State representative or congressman is definitely worth your time. Have to say my congressman’s office was awesome as well as my NFA examiners. Will update with details later. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 7:21:44 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 35Remington:
I'll be the dunce in the corner who still doesn't understand: When my dealer calls and says "stamp's here" and I go pick up the can, I have to fill out a 4473. Are you saying there is NOT a background check done at this time? In my mind 4473 and BGC are the same thing. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 7:37:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 56cbr600rr:
UPDATE! I am now approved. Got the "Proceed" on my Form 1 and 4. Reaching out for help from a local State representative or congressman is definitely worth your time. Have to say my congressman's office was awesome as well as my NFA examiners. Will update with details later. |
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Posted: 11/13/2018 9:36:30 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshInReno:
Based solely on the conversation I had with my examiner about a week ago: "The FBI just started working on background checks from around May 1st. I think you're looking at another 6 months before they get to yours." I sure hope she was wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshInReno:
Originally Posted By Effenpig:
Originally Posted By JoshInReno:
9 months since purchase 8 months since the checks cleared 3 months since "pending FBI background check with at least 6 months to go" I wrote both my senator and congressman today about the issue. So I will see what they have to say. Other than that, I'm just going to do my best to forget about the whole thing. Many that get stuck have been running 11 to 12 months total I sure hope she was wrong. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 12:38:16 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
You might want to exit this thread. The ATF does indeed send off for a NICS check at the end of processing for NFA items - the recent complications of which is the subject of this entire thread lol. This has absolutely nothing to do with your individual FFL holder - and yes, there's no reason for individual FFLs to be initiating NICS checks on NFA items. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb:
Originally Posted By RenegadeX: One more time, there is no NICS check for NFA. The ATF does indeed send off for a NICS check at the end of processing for NFA items - the recent complications of which is the subject of this entire thread lol. This has absolutely nothing to do with your individual FFL holder - and yes, there's no reason for individual FFLs to be initiating NICS checks on NFA items. |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 5:51:53 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RLunyATL:
Glad to hear it, now I hope they're not able to steal his seat but damn if they aren't trying And yes, this whole state and the mysterious votes still rolling in is BS. FL too! |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 7:01:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pbjunkiee]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pbjunkiee:
Just talked to an examiner Have 2 that went pending feb 26 2018 They both went fbi pending aug 6 2018 He gave me both NTN numbers. Ill sit on them for a few days until the fbi goes over 3mo and send some emails.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 8:44:34 PM EDT
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I did 2 purchases this year via SS.
Form 1 SBR was approved right around 4 months. 3/2018 to 7/2018. Form 4 suppressor check was cashed on 4/30/2018 but I hear they are running about 7 months from a FB post from someone that called. I was planning on calling around 12/1 just to see what the status is because of this black hole thing. Not sure why one of mine would be approve quick and the other would be stuck in a black hole. Also what are people asking when they call or write their representative? I would imagine they wouldn't care about your stamp collection. What do you say? |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:28:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Effenpig]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackal2001:
I did 2 purchases this year via SS. Form 1 SBR was approved right around 4 months. 3/2018 to 7/2018. Form 4 suppressor check was cashed on 4/30/2018 but I hear they are running about 7 months from a FB post from someone that called. I was planning on calling around 12/1 just to see what the status is because of this black hole thing. Not sure why one of mine would be approve quick and the other would be stuck in a black hole. Also what are people asking when they call or write their representative? I would imagine they wouldn't care about your stamp collection. What do you say? When you call just say you want to check the status of a form 4. If they tell you its pending I would ask "is it just pending, or is it pending background check" I like to be sure because some if the operators will give the absolute bare minimum of information unless you push for it I wouldn't get worked up. Chances are pretty low of getting stuck, unless of course you routinely get delayed on NICS checks I remember when I first stumbled on this thread. I called right away and at that time was just plain old pending. I thought " what are the chances I would read this thread and then have it happen to me" lol Well, I must be lucky because the next time I called I got the dreaded pending BGC lol. Ended up taking just shy of a year for me |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:33:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig: There's no rhyme or reason why some get flagged and some don't When you call just say you want to check the status of a form 4? If they tell you its pending I would ask "is it just pending, or is it pending background check" I like to be sure because some if the operators will give the absolute bare minimum of information unless you push for it I wouldn't get worked up. Chances are pretty low of getting stuck, unless of course you routinely get delayed on NICS checks I remember when I first stumbled on this thread. I called right away and at that time was just plain old pending. I thought " what are the chances I would read this thread and then have it happen to me" lol Well, I must be lucky because the next time I called I got the dreaded pending BGC lol. Ended up taking just shy of a year for me |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:39:20 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackal2001:
All my stamps have been pretty quick in the past. I'm on speed pass with nics also. Lol. Never had an issue. Reading some posts on nfa tracker seems like 7 months. I don't want to jinx it. Maybe I'll leave it alone for now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackal2001:
Originally Posted By Effenpig: There's no rhyme or reason why some get flagged and some don't When you call just say you want to check the status of a form 4? If they tell you its pending I would ask "is it just pending, or is it pending background check" I like to be sure because some if the operators will give the absolute bare minimum of information unless you push for it I wouldn't get worked up. Chances are pretty low of getting stuck, unless of course you routinely get delayed on NICS checks I remember when I first stumbled on this thread. I called right away and at that time was just plain old pending. I thought " what are the chances I would read this thread and then have it happen to me" lol Well, I must be lucky because the next time I called I got the dreaded pending BGC lol. Ended up taking just shy of a year for me By speed pass do you mean like a nics PIN? That may be the golden ticket |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:46:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig: My advice after dealing with it and reading this thread is to call. The sooner you know about it the sooner you can get the ball rolling on getting it fixed By speed pass do you mean like a nics PIN? That may be the golden ticket |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:47:45 PM EDT
[#30]
I am at 246 days since Check Cashed. Here is my notes on my progress so far for those interested.
 Attached File |
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Posted: 11/14/2018 9:59:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jackal2001]
[#31]
So I guess my question is what is the FBI background check pertaining to? A nics check?
All they have to do is "Pick up the telephone, then dialed the 7 digits Said, "Yo, this Marquis, baby! Are you down with it?" 
Should take 2 minutes. Guess they are just not doing it??? |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:14:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: aeroworksxp]
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackal2001:
So I guess my question is what is the FBI background check pertaining to? A nics check? All they have to do is "Pick up the telephone, then dialed the 7 digits Said, "Yo, this Marquis, baby! Are you down with it?"
Should take 2 minutes. Guess they are just not doing it??? |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 1:29:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackal2001:
So I guess my question is what is the FBI background check pertaining to? A nics check? All they have to do is "Pick up the telephone, then dialed the 7 digits Said, "Yo, this Marquis, baby! Are you down with it?"
Should take 2 minutes. Guess they are just not doing it??? Well, when that happens with a NFA item apparently the form goes into a pile to be cleared manually  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:46:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Effenpig: You know how you said your wife gets delayed on NICS checks? Well, when that happens with a NFA item apparently the form goes into a pile to be cleared manually https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/254453/paper-pile_jpg-739444.JPG 
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Posted: 11/15/2018 11:44:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackal2001:
So I guess my question is what is the FBI background check pertaining to? A nics check? All they have to do is "Pick up the telephone, then dialed the 7 digits Said, "Yo, this Marquis, baby! Are you down with it?"
Should take 2 minutes. Guess they are just not doing it??? |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 12:12:02 PM EDT
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Nfa office is closed due to weather today
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Posted: 11/15/2018 12:23:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoctorLove: That is my understanding. However, with my circumstance, apparently it had been done for sometime because when I emailed a supervisor, it was approved the next day. I think a large amount are falling through the cracks between the ATF and FBI. |
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Posted: 11/15/2018 2:58:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pbjunkiee:
Nfa office is closed due to weather today 
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Posted: 11/15/2018 4:44:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 56cbr600rr:
UPDATE! I am now approved. Got the “Proceed” on my Form 1 and 4. Reaching out for help from a local State representative or congressman is definitely worth your time. Have to say my congressman’s office was awesome as well as my NFA examiners. Will update with details later. Anyways, about 2 weeks ago I figured it's time to dig deeper and try to get some extra help as 14+ months overall is too long. Reading some of RLunyATL's stuff; and then finding we are in the same district helped a ton too. The first time I heard back, he said the FBI needed a NICS transaction Number (NTN) as he saw none for my trust and serial numbers. Eventually the FBI liaison said it appeared my info on both Form's were "PURGED". Truthfully don't know what that means in this instance, but he did clarify he saw nothing in regards to my trust, a background check, or my trust name. The FBI rep advised me to ask my NFA examiners to do something called a "Recheck" which would generate new NTN's. I called back my Form 4 examiner and she said no problem at all and it could take a few days. Roughly 2 hours later I had the chance to call my Form 1 examiner to do the same thing and he said sure as well. About an hour later my Form 1 examiner called and said it looked like my Form 4 examiner rechecked both my items, spoke to a supervisor, got background done, and everything approved. He was somewhat surprised, as was I. He said he'd have my stamp out no later than Wednesday, this was Monday. I'm still pretty sure having my local state rep helped a ton. He was incredibly helpful and always kept me in the loop; which is amazing with all the elections going on. Also, I have to say that both my examiners were friendly and helpful as well. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 11:17:38 AM EDT
[#40]
I decided to call today. My form 4 check was cashed on 4/30/18 and she stated they received my paperwork on 5/2/18. It is in pending only status as they haven't started processing forms from May yet. So for not I don't think I'm in the black hole as I'm not pending FBI Background check.
She said they are averaging 7 months to start processing. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 11:56:24 AM EDT
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AOW came back, approved a day after the Surefire
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:45:36 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pbjunkiee:
AOW came back, approved a day after the Surefire I just bought a Mossberg 7" AOW. |
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Posted: 11/16/2018 12:50:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampfoxoutdoors: What did you get? I just bought a Mossberg 7" AOW. |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 3:51:03 PM EDT
[#44]
Just got a random call from my LGS, my suppressor is ready to be picked up! Guess contacting my representative worked!
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Posted: 11/19/2018 3:53:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By leib109:
Just got a random call from my LGS, my suppressor is ready to be picked up! Guess contacting my representative worked! |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 4:14:24 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackal2001:
What did you actually say to him/her when you called? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jackal2001:
Originally Posted By leib109:
Just got a random call from my LGS, my suppressor is ready to be picked up! Guess contacting my representative worked! Just write an honest letter
We probably need a sticky for this but the main points are: -You paid $XXX in transfer taxes to the ATF x months ago. -That youre a law abiding citizen trying to follow the law and process. -The ATF has informed you that the FBI is stuck processing your background check -That you know its a NICS check and that it is taken longer than requires (with NTN if you can) -Let them know both agencies are pointing fingers at one another and you need the reps help to resolve. Its that straight forward. A staffer usually handles it. |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 4:17:35 PM EDT
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Another representative success story:
My last 8 suppressors have all been through BGC hell - 4 of them took a total of 10 months. 2 took 12 months. I had another 2 pending that I submitted in early March 2018 so I decided to try contacting a rep this time. Based on NFA timelines I first found out that these 2 were in BGC hell around Oct 1. They could have been in there a little longer but that was the date of the first phone call I made on them and got the BGC status. I then waiting another month to make sure I was in purgatory before contacting my rep. Timeline is as follows: 03/12 - Applications received by ATF and pending 10/1 - First call to check status - status is "Pending BGC" 11/1 - Called again, same status "Waiting on FBI BGC" 11/1 - Wrote email to Rep from his website (This is right before election so didn't expect timely response) 11/8 - Right after election, received a phone call from Rep's office along with an email for privacy release forms 11/9 - Responded with privacy release forms 11/19 - Received response from Rep's office that they heard back from the FBI and the FBI processed the BGC on the 15th 11/19 - Called ATF to check status, both were approved today (11/19) Of course I'm annoyed that we have to go through this in the first place, but it's nice to have another success story. I'm sure these 2 would have gone ~10-12 months with no intervention like my last 6 did. I have another 9 cans to get submitted so I'll stay on top of them and this time not wait a month, I'll be contacting my rep again the very first time I hear "waiting on FBI". |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 4:51:10 PM EDT
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I could swear that when I picked up my first suppressor a month or two ago, the dealer ran another background check. I think it’s required for the 4473 that get filled out, and the fact that it had been a couple of weeks since the stamp was approved, plus who know how long before that the ATF background check was. Could have become a criminal during that time, I guess.
I was under the impression a background check was only good for that moment in time. You can run multiple items under one background check, but today’s background check isn’t good for tomorrow, next week, or next month. I’ve never seen any documentation saying how long a check is good for. Is it written down anywhere? |
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Posted: 11/19/2018 4:57:54 PM EDT
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I still find it odd that any rep would want to help someone get a scary silencer. If anything were to happen with that item and it gets out that they made the FBI rush the background check it's game over for them.
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Posted: 11/19/2018 5:19:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Commando223:
I still find it odd that any rep would want to help someone get a scary silencer. If anything were to happen with that item and it gets out that they made the FBI rush the background check it's game over for them. FBI has no charter to sit on NICS checks, and doing so is against the written law and intent of the NICS system. |
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