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Posted: 6/6/2023 4:43:06 PM EDT
Does anybody reload the .30-06 bolt action rifle for 500 yards or more?  
If so, what do you use for powder and projectiles?

Link Posted: 6/6/2023 5:47:05 PM EDT
[#1]
The late German Salazar is a national treasure.

https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/the-riflemans-journal-archived.3971694/#post-37538091

Pick any bullet with a ~9* boattail from 155gr to whatever your twist, throat, or magazine allow. Pick somewhere between IMR4064 - H4350. H4831 may not be a top speeder, but is quite safe.
Link Posted: 6/7/2023 8:51:02 PM EDT
[#2]
Thanks  for the info.  Reading thru them now.
Link Posted: 6/7/2023 9:38:07 PM EDT
[#3]
208 amax with RE22 worked well for me....hurt the shoulder to boot.
Link Posted: 6/7/2023 10:23:47 PM EDT
[#4]
Projectiles: 220gr Lapua Scenar-L and 225gr Hornady ELD-M are the ones I've tried.  Fixing to try some Sierra 200gr Match Kings (the new high BC ones) and 230gr Alcos.

Powders: Go to is H-4831SC.  Good velocity and temp stable.  RE-22 was faster, but not temp stable.  Superformance was fantastically fast, but also not temp stable.

Barrel is 22", and throated to allow seating long so as not to eat up case capacity.

I'd have to look at my notes to be sure, but the load I'd settled on for regular use was Norma brass with Federal Gold Medal primers.  220gr Lapua Scenar-L (I have LOTS of them) over 56.8 grains of H-4831SC.  Don't remember the exact velocity (not close to my notes), but it was well over 2500 fps.

Should still be supersonic to 1500 yards.  I'm hoping to get those 200 SMKs out the barrel at 2650+ fps.  If so, they should remain supersonic past a mile, though I'll likely never have an opportunity to shoot that far.

ETA:  A brake.  You will need a brake if you're going to shoot more than a few at a time.  I use the Fat Bastard and it works amazing.
Link Posted: 6/7/2023 10:26:51 PM EDT
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The late German Salazar is a national treasure.

https://forum.accurateshooter.com/threads/the-riflemans-journal-archived.3971694/#post-37538091

Pick any bullet with a ~9* boattail from 155gr to whatever your twist, throat, or magazine allow. Pick somewhere between IMR4064 - H4350. H4831 may not be a top speeder, but is quite safe.
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Re-read this and noticed "The late".  Had no idea he had passed.  I was heavily influenced by his writings.  
Link Posted: 6/9/2023 12:09:23 PM EDT
[#6]
No shortage of quality thirty cal bullets. Take your pick.

Haven’t loaded any “match” or “long range” oriented recipes for my aught six.

It does like a “sporting” grade load of Win brass, WLR, Big Game powder, and a 165gr Speer SPBT.

Groups are pretty good from start to max for me.

Seems to do just as good using Rem brass and primers.
Link Posted: 6/9/2023 5:09:44 PM EDT
[#7]
I wasted so much time trying to develop an accurate load for my 30-06 rifles, only to discover the inaccuracy problem was the rifles, themselves.  Live and learn!

Even so, I've always wanted an accurate 30-06 rifle but never got one.  Instead, I got a Remington 40-X in 308.  Everything I learned pursuing 30-06 transferred over to my 308 loads, except the 210 bullets which were just too heavy for 308.

Certainly, I got accurate 308 loads but they were developed for a known-good rifle.  That rifle/cartridge combo is good out 1,000 yards and beyond.  It was the rifle, not the reloads, that were the most important change from my days loading 30-06.  

These days, I see no reason to go after 30-06 unless, perhaps, you are after terminal ballistics (hunting).  You can do almost everything else with a 6mm or even a 223 at lower cost and with less shooter punishment.  If you already have the 30-06 and don't want to buy a new rifle & cartridge, well, okay.

If you disagree, please, let me know where you feel a 30-06 fits in.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 2:02:44 AM EDT
[#8]
500 yards is easy to obtain with 06. And with the development of higher BC rounds for the .30 cal, it's better than ever. The bullet weight options are vast from light to heavy so it opens up a lot of doors for what you want. I personally have had very good success with 150 gr bullets and 4895. 186gr have been good too and hoping to get into a little heavier loads.

Don't listen to those who say it's not a needed or irrelevant round. There is an abundance of data to say otherwise. There is a great forum thread on snipershide.com about the round and ultimate reloaded on your tube has a great video on 3006 vs 6.5cm.

If you already have reloading components for 3006 or even the 308, most of the components such and primers, powder, and projectiles work with each other. You can get 30 cal bullets for a pretty reasonable price

I'm guilty of this one: most people don't use quality brass when reloading the 3006 like they do with the new fancy rounds, and expect quality rounds. I shoot a lot of surplus 06 and was using that brass and despite using the same headstamped brass, I would never get quality loads. When I switched to good brass, things really started tightening up.

I like shooting my 6.5cm but I really enjoy hearing the steel ring at 1000 yards with my 06 rounds! It can be done and has been done for a very long time so don't let the downers distract you if it's what you want to go for.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 3:37:26 AM EDT
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I have a curiosity, about 30-06 in a modernized PRS level application.  a modern 6.5 CM has the same case head as a 30-06, meaning there's no reason a modern 30-06 in a modern action can't safely be run at the higher 6.5 pressure.

Combine with modern PRS bullets, actions, barrel throats and twist rates, - to me, a big case like 30-06 run like that, should be something crowding magnum-level capability.  Obviously, don't mix with your M1 Garand loads!  

Or at least, I wonder.   Run something like that with long heavy 220 level bullets, with intent to sail a long way, and hit hard when it gets there.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 8:14:52 AM EDT
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I have a curiosity, about 30-06 in a modernized PRS level application.  a modern 6.5 CM has the same case head as a 30-06, meaning there's no reason a modern 30-06 in a modern action can't safely be run at the higher 6.5 pressure.

Combine with modern PRS bullets, actions, barrel throats and twist rates, - to me, a big case like 30-06 run like that, should be something crowding magnum-level capability.  Obviously, don't mix with your M1 Garand loads!  

Or at least, I wonder.   Run something like that with long heavy 220 level bullets, with intent to sail a long way, and hit hard when it gets there.
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I'm trying that right now actually. I had a savage that was originally a 3006 with a very light, crappy barrel. Changed it to a 308, now back to 3006. Ordered a 26" shelin barrel and mounted that back up. Then ordered an XLR chassis and topped it off with a zeiss scope. We just moved across the country and needing to get to a range to start load development. Hoping to get a good sale on some bulk lapua brass here soon. Goal is to have a good load with my 150gr and another heavy load. The 150s have always shot great out of my 308. I know the action could be better but I'm working with what I had.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:13:29 AM EDT
[#11]
If you think of a 30-06 as a longer 308 Winchester case you can adjust your loads.  30-06 can get to 1,000 a little easier than 308, depending on barrel length and velocity.

The same thing for 308 goes for 30-06 -- it can improved by re-chambering to Ackley Improved, to 6.5 or 7mm, and exploiting a big range of lighter/better ballistic coefficient bullets that kick less.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:53:38 AM EDT
[#12]
Normally I’m for higher weight/length and BC bullets but for 30/06, I’d give the Lapua Scenar 155 a try. Works for 1000 yard Palma shoots and will be a little softer on the shoulder.
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 9:57:29 AM EDT
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I have a curiosity, about 30-06 in a modernized PRS level application.  a modern 6.5 CM has the same case head as a 30-06, meaning there's no reason a modern 30-06 in a modern action can't safely be run at the higher 6.5 pressure.

Combine with modern PRS bullets, actions, barrel throats and twist rates, - to me, a big case like 30-06 run like that, should be something crowding magnum-level capability.  Obviously, don't mix with your M1 Garand loads!  

Or at least, I wonder.   Run something like that with long heavy 220 level bullets, with intent to sail a long way, and hit hard when it gets there.
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What mag would you use for a long action PRS rifle? Not many 10 round options unless you plan on a mag change halfway through your stage.

Edit: looks like if you use the MDT XM chassis there’s an option.

MDT
Link Posted: 6/10/2023 11:36:02 PM EDT
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What mag would you use for a long action PRS rifle? Not many 10 round options unless you plan on a mag change halfway through your stage.

Edit: looks like if you use the MDT XM chassis there’s an option.

MDT
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Xlr has a mag set for the 3006 as well. Not cheap. Probably the same maker as the MDT ones.
Link Posted: 6/11/2023 12:24:20 AM EDT
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Don't listen to those who say it's not a needed or irrelevant round. There is an abundance of data to say otherwise.
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I like shooting my 6.5cm but I really enjoy hearing the steel ring at 1000 yards with my 06 rounds! It can be done and has been done for a very long time so don't let the downers distract you if it's what you want to go for.
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I'm not saying it is irrelevant as I am saying things have evolved and there are a lot of other choices available now.  After all, even you mention shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor.  It is not 1950.

In my own shooting "career", I evolved from 30-06 to 308 to 223 to 260 Rem to 6XC.  I think the only reason I would go all the way back to 30-06 is if I had to kill something at extended range.  If I am punching paper or ringing steel, my 115 gr DTAC bullets do that out at 1,000 yards or more with relative ease.

If you already have the rifle, go for it.  If it's "just because", go for it, it's a hobby.  If you want to hunt, there are worse ways to go than 30-06.


Link Posted: 6/12/2023 6:18:25 AM EDT
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I purchased a Remington 700 "Long Range" in .30-06 and couldn't be happier. The longest I have shot it is 300 yards, but it's a great rifle and exactly what I wanted in this caliber.
Link Posted: 6/25/2023 3:00:12 PM EDT
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Out to 600 yards I would simply use the classic competition load of 168 grain Matchking and 46 grains of IMR4064.

Past 600, I'd pick a heavier bullet
Link Posted: 6/25/2023 3:24:01 PM EDT
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Out to 600 yards I would simply use the classic competition load of 168 grain Matchking and 46 grains of IMR4064.

Past 600, I'd pick a heavier bullet
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If that doesn't work for you, try 46.0 grains of IMR-4895 or H4895 with the 168's.

190's can easily reach 2550 to 2600 fps and work great at longer ranges. I would try IMR-4350 with these heavier bullets .
Link Posted: 6/26/2023 5:40:15 PM EDT
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208 ELD or 210 SMK fueled by IMR 4350 or 4451 is nirvana for my custom’06.  I tried RL 22/23  and the groups were okay but 4350/4451 shoots in the .3s. Easily 1/2 MOA at a grand under normal wind conditions.
Link Posted: 7/5/2023 1:08:04 AM EDT
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Old school target loads people used 180 and 190 SMKs.

Today alot more bullets choices and you can't  go wrong with a 175 -> 200 SMK for 1000yd, midrange 500-600yd no need to beat yourself up use 168s.
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