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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:39:15 PM EST
Maybe everyone has heard of it, but I just discovered it. The kid in me wants to buy one to play with until I have grandkids old enough to pass it down.
Ive seen too much neat stuff come and go over the years to not snap one of these bad "babies" up.  Wee 1 Tactical JR-15 - The AR-15 for Kids |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 8:45:15 PM EST
[#1]
If I had a kid I'd buy one for a starter rifle.
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Posted: 9/21/2023 10:34:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I had a kid I'd buy one for a starter rifle. 2.5 lb  I havent been able to find one yet. Probably because they sold out in 5 minutes after triggering the anti gun crowd. Now Im going to have to buy one just because. I had my own 22lr as a 7 year old and was free to roam with it, because I started with a red ryder bb gun at 3 and my dad taught me gun safety well. What do these people carry on about, anyway? They think everyone is going to just hand their kid a deadly weapon without responsible training? The sheer numbers of critical articles I have found about this little rifle are ridiculous. REEE REEE REEEEE!  https://twitter.com/GavinNewsom/status/1494136708807356420? I don't imagine training a kid to shoot is as vile as the things this ^ guy is into. |
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Posted: 9/21/2023 11:14:13 PM EST
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There's been liberal outrage for years over this .22lr that looks like an AR. Are they for sale yet?
Someone here met the guy who makes them |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 12:02:57 AM EST
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I want to buy one just for pic threads here so everyone thinks I’m an ogre.
But seriously, my woman is 4’9”. Too bad these appear to be vaporware. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 2:12:24 AM EST
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My kids (minus oldest) and grandkids all started with a Crickett single shot .22LR. Next rifle was a lightweight CAR-15/M4 in 5.56mm. Oldest son started with a Marlin 60.
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Posted: 9/22/2023 9:07:49 AM EST
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I’ve heard of these but have never seen one out in the wild. Maybe if Scheels starts carrying them I’ll grab one.
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Posted: 9/22/2023 9:50:11 AM EST
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Why don't they have a threaded barrel? Can't kids have suppressors too?
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Posted: 9/22/2023 10:53:32 AM EST
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No... because shooting is simply an adult activity.
This is GD'ish, but it's a bit like religion- parents wish for their kids to think a certain way, and that the best way is to make it habitual from before their personality and habits are fully formed. It's not victory or failure when they grow up and choose not to practice RKBA (or do it differently) or not to practice the same faith (or choose another one). They may even rebel, and go completely in the opposite direction. Little kids don't need little cars so that we can tech them to drive earlier, and they don't need little weapons so that we can teach them to shoot earlier. The fundamentals can also be more effectively ingrained, and actual skills developed, when the student (of coding, shooting, driving, playing cards, etc...) has the adequate level of development to perform. Hate on that, but it's true. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 11:11:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No... because shooting is simply an adult activity. This is GD'ish, but it's a bit like religion- parents wish for their kids to think a certain way, and that the best way is to make it habitual from before their personality and habits are fully formed. It's not victory or failure when they grow up and choose not to practice RKBA (or do it differently) or not to practice the same faith (or choose another one). They may even rebel, and go completely in the opposite direction. Little kids don't need little cars so that we can tech them to drive earlier, and they don't need little weapons so that we can teach them to shoot earlier. The fundamentals can also be more effectively ingrained, and actual skills developed, when the student (of coding, shooting, driving, playing cards, etc...) has the adequate level of development to perform. Hate on that, but it's true. My son learned to drive small vehicles. Power wheels then dirt bikes. He was 15 when I was at Toyota dealer looking at a Tacoma manual trans, he laughed at the Salesman that couldn't drive a manual. I grew up on a farm, started driving farm truck and tractors at 11. Also had a 22lr for checking my traps.  |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 1:25:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I had a kid I'd buy one for a starter rifle. This. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 1:31:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No... because shooting is simply an adult activity. This is GD'ish, but it's a bit like religion- parents wish for their kids to think a certain way, and that the best way is to make it habitual from before their personality and habits are fully formed. It's not victory or failure when they grow up and choose not to practice RKBA (or do it differently) or not to practice the same faith (or choose another one). They may even rebel, and go completely in the opposite direction. Little kids don't need little cars so that we can tech them to drive earlier, and they don't need little weapons so that we can teach them to shoot earlier. The fundamentals can also be more effectively ingrained, and actual skills developed, when the student (of coding, shooting, driving, playing cards, etc...) has the adequate level of development to perform. Hate on that, but it's true. WTF? Kids don't enjoy hunting and shooting? |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 2:25:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF? Kids don't enjoy hunting and shooting? "Kids" that are like 12~13 do. Fishing too. I'm sure they'd love racing cars and pulling ass too, if that were available recreation. I would at that age! At the toddler-age though? They don't even fully understand what they are doing... and that's fact, not opinion. I'm not telling anyone how to raise their kids- but I submit that shooting is an activity that is not ruined for a new student by the weight of a rifle or the length of a stock... just as driving isn't ruined by the reach to the pedals or the height of the seat. There are inherently adult activities in life, and some of these we consider "Rites of Passage" for that exact reason. Nothing I have said is unusual, but rather this is simply the normal way of life for the human species. Putting lead on target is a rite of passage... just like making fire, setting solo camp overnight, sailing a small boat, preparing a proper (not "cute") meal for others, completing physically challenging tasks...... the Boy Scouts figured this out a long time ago, and guess what? It wasn't anything new then either. None of this is anything other than American values and culture. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 2:37:03 PM EST
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Add an orange weld on flash suppressor yielding an overall barrel length with suppressor at 16 inches and you would have the ultimate urban camouflage 22.
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Posted: 9/22/2023 3:18:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Kids" that are like 12~13 do. Fishing too. I'm sure they'd love racing cars and pulling ass too, if that were available recreation. I would at that age! At the toddler-age though? They don't even fully understand what they are doing... and that's fact, not opinion. I'm not telling anyone how to raise their kids- but I submit that shooting is an activity that is not ruined for a new student by the weight of a rifle or the length of a stock... just as driving isn't ruined by the reach to the pedals or the height of the seat. There are inherently adult activities in life, and some of these we consider "Rites of Passage" for that exact reason. Nothing I have said is unusual, but rather this is simply the normal way of life for the human species. Putting lead on target is a rite of passage... just like making fire, setting solo camp overnight, sailing a small boat, preparing a proper (not "cute") meal for others, completing physically challenging tasks...... the Boy Scouts figured this out a long time ago, and guess what? It wasn't anything new then either. None of this is anything other than American values and culture. 12~13 is your take on it, its your opinion. Maybe for your kids that is fitting, but you're talking like someone else doesn't or can't have an opinion, it sounds like. Ever seen "Autumns Armory" on youtube? Pretty sure that girl started her channel about age 7 and hasnt reached 12 yet. She shoots it all, from machine guns to desert eagles, she shoots very well and with excellent safety and muzzle awareness... and watching her I can tell its from muscle memory and better than I have seen alot of grownups exhibit. She has an awesome Dad who obviously has put in the time teaching a child who was and is very enthusiastic about learning and shooting. If she'd been made to wait until she was 12, that enthusiam might have died on the vine. Instead she is making 150 yard hits on steel with a 22lr at 7yo. Notice the muscle memory when she lays the pistol down, checking chamber and safety switch.  KelTec CP33 Review! 3 years later.....  Too Much Recoil for the FBI? |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 3:26:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No... because shooting is simply an adult activity. This is GD'ish, but it's a bit like religion- parents wish for their kids to think a certain way, and that the best way is to make it habitual from before their personality and habits are fully formed. It's not victory or failure when they grow up and choose not to practice RKBA (or do it differently) or not to practice the same faith (or choose another one). They may even rebel, and go completely in the opposite direction. Little kids don't need little cars so that we can tech them to drive earlier, and they don't need little weapons so that we can teach them to shoot earlier. The fundamentals can also be more effectively ingrained, and actual skills developed, when the student (of coding, shooting, driving, playing cards, etc...) has the adequate level of development to perform. Hate on that, but it's true. Do you have kids? I disagree partly. I started teaching my son gun safety at about age 6. I introduced him to shooting at age 7 and routinely drill home gun safety. He enjoys shooting. He’s good at it. He’s very safe. And its another way that he and I can spend time together. We have other ways too. If he didn’t like it, I wouldn’t force it on him. I feel it’s important to instill in our children the importance of the constitution and 2a. Whether they choose to live it or not is up to them as they grow up. I’m definitely instilling these things in my kids. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 3:31:25 PM EST
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I would not. It’s a silly niche rifle.
I started my son at about 7 years old on a CZ 457 22lr bolt gun. He graduated quickly to a 5.56 AR with lpvo. He’s now 11 and is very good with handguns, SMGs, and ARs. I let him shoot fullauto for the first time over the summer and he did well on the UZI, MP5, and M16. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 3:44:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would not. It’s a silly niche rifle. I started my son at about 7 years old on a CZ 457 22lr bolt gun. He graduated quickly to a 5.56 AR with lpvo. He’s now 11 and is very good with handguns, SMGs, and ARs. I let him shoot fullauto for the first time over the summer and he did well on the UZI, MP5, and M16. EH, it still weighs less than a CP33 all braced out, but I can respect that; especially because everyone has their own way and you are obviously a great Dad, like mine was. Damn, Id have been in heaven if my Dad had had the guns you have, but still, I got to take the Anschutz 141 out any time past 9 or 10yo, (witheld mostly bc he didnt want me to scratch it) and that was big boy league for me. That thing didn't miss if I did my part, which I usually did. Props, man. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 3:53:26 PM EST
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One of the most fun "drills" I did with my Dad involved Red Ryders. We did this right up until he died. We'd hang a steel soup can 15/20yd
away from the porch from about a 3' string, and take turns hitting it at a rapid pace, each of us trying to make it swing hard to screw the other. Point and shoot target acquisition, instinctive aiming if you want to be fast. We also spent a lot of time shooting wood bees flying, and barn swallows (on the wing) who refused to quit nesting under our porch roof and infesting everything in the AO with bird lice. Good times. This was my Dad... |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 4:10:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My son learned to drive small vehicles. Power wheels then dirt bikes. He was 15 when I was at Toyota dealer looking at a Tacoma manual trans, he laughed at the Salesman that couldn't drive a manual. I grew up on a farm, started driving farm truck and tractors at 11. Also had a 22lr for checking my traps. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/413906/DJC_shooting_JPG-1617070.jpg Props, Dad. Real Dads make real men, who in turn make real Dads. :salute: |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 4:12:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF? Kids don't enjoy hunting and shooting? They do, indeed. Parents teach children; not the state. Props! |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 4:16:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Add an orange weld on flash suppressor yielding an overall barrel length with suppressor at 16 inches and you would have the ultimate urban camouflage 22. Attempted humor noted; feel free to outfit your own kids in this manner, I won't judge- but in the kindest way possible there is to say it- thats not for me or mine. I love my kids. Yes, I get the inference. Horrible advice. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 4:18:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have kids? I disagree partly. I started teaching my son gun safety at about age 6. I introduced him to shooting at age 7 and routinely drill home gun safety. He enjoys shooting. He’s good at it. He’s very safe. And its another way that he and I can spend time together. We have other ways too. If he didn’t like it, I wouldn’t force it on him. I feel it’s important to instill in our children the importance of the constitution and 2a. Whether they choose to live it or not is up to them as they grow up. I’m definitely instilling these things in my kids. +1 and props; this is the way. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 7:55:09 PM EST
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To answer the title question, no. Real, lightweight ar shooting 223.
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Posted: 9/22/2023 9:57:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To answer the title question, no. Real, lightweight ar shooting 223. How old is your child?  |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 10:13:56 PM EST
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Edited to say, good on you.
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Posted: 9/22/2023 10:21:44 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To answer the title question, no. Real, lightweight ar shooting 223. Seems legit. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 10:32:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No... because shooting is simply an adult activity. This is GD'ish, but it's a bit like religion- parents wish for their kids to think a certain way, and that the best way is to make it habitual from before their personality and habits are fully formed. It's not victory or failure when they grow up and choose not to practice RKBA (or do it differently) or not to practice the same faith (or choose another one). They may even rebel, and go completely in the opposite direction. Little kids don't need little cars so that we can tech them to drive earlier, and they don't need little weapons so that we can teach them to shoot earlier. The fundamentals can also be more effectively ingrained, and actual skills developed, when the student (of coding, shooting, driving, playing cards, etc...) has the adequate level of development to perform. Hate on that, but it's true.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 10:35:53 PM EST
[#28]
Forgot what I was going to say.
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Posted: 9/22/2023 10:52:07 PM EST
[#29]
I suppose this thread has run it's course. Thats all.
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Posted: 9/22/2023 11:00:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the most fun "drills" I did with my Dad involved Red Ryders. We did this right up until he died. We'd hang a steel soup can 15/20yd away from the porch from about a 3' string, and take turns hitting it at a rapid pace, each of us trying to make it swing hard to screw the other. Point and shoot target acquisition, instinctive aiming if you want to be fast. We also spent a lot of time shooting wood bees flying, and barn swallows (on the wing) who refused to quit nesting under our porch roof and infesting everything in the AO with bird lice. Good times. This was my Dad... Salute out to your dad. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 11:10:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Salute out to your dad. Thank you; sir. He was a real operator. AN O neg. I got raised on what we could catch or kill. He loved dark meat like robins and doves. |
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Posted: 9/22/2023 11:32:58 PM EST
[#32]
 placeholder for Dadpic to come
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:16:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No... because shooting is simply an adult activity. This is GD'ish, but it's a bit like religion- parents wish for their kids to think a certain way, and that the best way is to make it habitual from before their personality and habits are fully formed. It's not victory or failure when they grow up and choose not to practice RKBA (or do it differently) or not to practice the same faith (or choose another one). They may even rebel, and go completely in the opposite direction. Little kids don't need little cars so that we can tech them to drive earlier, and they don't need little weapons so that we can teach them to shoot earlier. The fundamentals can also be more effectively ingrained, and actual skills developed, when the student (of coding, shooting, driving, playing cards, etc...) has the adequate level of development to perform. Hate on that, but it's true. Not "hating" on your stance, but i'll respectfully and vehemently disagree. A young age is the best time to begin instilling gun safety in measured doses. Normalizing firearms and teaching safe handling removes the mystique. ETA: Back on topic, I'm not particularly fond of AR-lookalikes that aren't actually ARs. That said, the smaller sized guns are neat for sure. Never seen one of these in the store but have seen the miniature Mosins and such. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:32:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not "hating" on your stance, but i'll respectfully and vehemently disagree. A young age is the best time to begin instilling gun safety in measured doses. Normalizing firearms and teaching safe handling removes the mystique. My daughter is 6 and a half and is absolutely capable of following instructions and started learning gun safety (including safe handling) since she was 5. Her rascal .22 is actually too big for her just because the LOP but she can work everything else. I’m very interested in checking out one of These mini ARs in person. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:38:13 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My daughter is 6 and a half and is absolutely capable of following instructions and started learning gun safety (including safe handling) since she was 5. Her rascal .22 is actually too big for her just because the LOP but she can work everything else. I’m very interested in checking out one of These mini ARs in person. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not "hating" on your stance, but i'll respectfully and vehemently disagree. A young age is the best time to begin instilling gun safety in measured doses. Normalizing firearms and teaching safe handling removes the mystique. My daughter is 6 and a half and is absolutely capable of following instructions and started learning gun safety (including safe handling) since she was 5. Her rascal .22 is actually too big for her just because the LOP but she can work everything else. I’m very interested in checking out one of These mini ARs in person. Good on you, you're doing it right  Another decent option is something that can grow with them. If you're interested in that, think of widely available rifles with cheap parts. For example, a 10/22 stock can easily be cut down and adjustable LOP spacers added back as they grow. When large enough, put a full size stock back on. Lots of great options these days. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 6:18:44 PM EST
[#36]
Eh I don't have a kid, but if I did I would probably start them with a bolt action .22 to learn on. After that, I would go with a 10/22.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:46:19 PM EST
[#37]
Ha I learned to shoot an Egyptian Hakim, on an original Hakim trainer; 25 years ago.... trainer was an airgun. Good times. Hella accurate!
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Posted: 9/25/2023 3:48:39 PM EST
[#38]
Okay, now I'm researching. Anything that pisses off a libtard works for me.
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Posted: 9/26/2023 7:35:17 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No... because shooting is simply an adult activity. This is GD'ish, but it's a bit like religion- parents wish for their kids to think a certain way, and that the best way is to make it habitual from before their personality and habits are fully formed. It's not victory or failure when they grow up and choose not to practice RKBA (or do it differently) or not to practice the same faith (or choose another one). They may even rebel, and go completely in the opposite direction. Little kids don't need little cars so that we can tech them to drive earlier, and they don't need little weapons so that we can teach them to shoot earlier. The fundamentals can also be more effectively ingrained, and actual skills developed, when the student (of coding, shooting, driving, playing cards, etc...) has the adequate level of development to perform. Hate on that, but it's true. False. Sorry your male role models let you down. Myself, generations before, and after, have all started with rifles in out hands around 5. 100 years without a single accident issue. It's the opposite. A kid who is trained correctly to handle the responsibility of power over life and death makes a safer shooter at 6 than most "adult shooters". Here is my son at 6 with his first black bear  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 10:32:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay, now I'm researching. Anything that pisses off a libtard works for me. Not only that, but you know how they are.... all the same, marching in their faux outrage lockstep like an army of mindless drones; LOL they target it because it LOOKS *sort of* like the evil AR15 and all pile on with the intent of bankrupting this poor dude because HOW DARE YOU!!! This is why I want one. If they run the guy out of biz, the rifle will become collectible just because, and I will benefit by a marked increase in value due to their regardedness.  |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 10:34:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: False. Sorry your male role models let you down. Myself, generations before, and after, have all started with rifles in out hands around 5. 100 years without a single accident issue. It's the opposite. A kid who is trained correctly to handle the responsibility of power over life and death makes a safer shooter at 6 than most "adult shooters". Here is my son at 6 with his first black bear https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/472175/20200905_201341_jpg-2966871.JPG Yep, proper parenting and muscle memory. Congrats on the Ol' Bar! |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 10:42:50 AM EST
[#42]
I want the select fire version.
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Posted: 9/26/2023 10:51:14 AM EST
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Posted: 9/26/2023 3:16:56 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want the select fire version. Quote HistoryQuoted: I want the select fire version. That WOULD be fun, for the whole 5 shot burst. Quoted: I like suppressed 22 and 9mm for my kids. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/20221119_153015_jpg-2967057.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57761/20220925_132933_jpg-2967059.JPG Just another example of a good parent raising good kids; who will most likely become good parents. :salute: |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 10:36:08 AM EST
[#45]
Maybe I'm too old-school. That would be cool for an older kid that has demonstrated experience and firearms safety.
Otherwise, I still favor simple single shot bolt action.22LR with iron sights, progressing to a mag feed bolt gun, then to semi-auto while also progressing to a rds or low power scope, all in sequence as the child grows in experience and age. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 10:56:59 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I'm too old-school. That would be cool for an older kid that has demonstrated experience and firearms safety. Otherwise, I still favor simple single shot bolt action.22LR with iron sights, progressing to a mag feed bolt gun, then to semi-auto while also progressing to a rds or low power scope, all in sequence as the child grows in experience and age. I've seen plenty of kids as young as 5 demonstrate respect for firearm safety. Depending on price, I'll get one of these setups for my kids to use when they're a little older. Only 1 and 2 right now, so no shooting for them yet. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 10:42:40 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No... because shooting is simply an adult activity. This is GD'ish, but it's a bit like religion- parents wish for their kids to think a certain way, and that the best way is to make it habitual from before their personality and habits are fully formed. It's not victory or failure when they grow up and choose not to practice RKBA (or do it differently) or not to practice the same faith (or choose another one). They may even rebel, and go completely in the opposite direction. Little kids don't need little cars so that we can tech them to drive earlier, and they don't need little weapons so that we can teach them to shoot earlier. The fundamentals can also be more effectively ingrained, and actual skills developed, when the student (of coding, shooting, driving, playing cards, etc...) has the adequate level of development to perform. Hate on that, but it's true. No. I started shooting competitively at eight years old. Deal. |
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Posted: 9/29/2023 11:21:54 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My son learned to drive small vehicles. Power wheels then dirt bikes. He was 15 when I was at Toyota dealer looking at a Tacoma manual trans, he laughed at the Salesman that couldn't drive a manual. I grew up on a farm, started driving farm truck and tractors at 11. Also had a 22lr for checking my traps. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/413906/DJC_shooting_JPG-1617070.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No... because shooting is simply an adult activity. This is GD'ish, but it's a bit like religion- parents wish for their kids to think a certain way, and that the best way is to make it habitual from before their personality and habits are fully formed. It's not victory or failure when they grow up and choose not to practice RKBA (or do it differently) or not to practice the same faith (or choose another one). They may even rebel, and go completely in the opposite direction. Little kids don't need little cars so that we can tech them to drive earlier, and they don't need little weapons so that we can teach them to shoot earlier. The fundamentals can also be more effectively ingrained, and actual skills developed, when the student (of coding, shooting, driving, playing cards, etc...) has the adequate level of development to perform. Hate on that, but it's true. My son learned to drive small vehicles. Power wheels then dirt bikes. He was 15 when I was at Toyota dealer looking at a Tacoma manual trans, he laughed at the Salesman that couldn't drive a manual. I grew up on a farm, started driving farm truck and tractors at 11. Also had a 22lr for checking my traps. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/413906/DJC_shooting_JPG-1617070.jpg My 3 year old has a 22 cricket, a battery powered cummins ram dually, and a yet to be fired midlength AR "for when he's older". I was driving tractors, 3 wheelers by 12. Had my own bb gun at 8. Shotgun at 10 tickets at 12. Shot archery since I was 4 and was bowhunting in the woods by myself at 10. Teach them the way while they're young and when they're older they'll return. |
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