What kind of groupings have y’all been getting with this ammo? What distance?

Check the Molon reference sticky. Old Mo' did us quite a service there for years with his tests. Wish he was still round to keep shining the light on all of us.

Here ya go

Rad. Thanks.

reports of MOA of ammo is only valid on a comparison basis with another round that does better and on a known sub moa platform

Saying "wolf gold does 2 moa" without any other info is not super helpful as that does not indicate if that's the best one's platform can achieve or if that's the best the ammo can do.

Also ammo performance can vary greatly depending upon twist rate and barrel mfg.

Best feedback would be something like:

"ABC ammo does 2.5 moa on a 12.5 Acme 1/7 twist barrel. However, Handloads of XYZ will do sub moa."

not busting balls, just asking for more info :)

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Wolf Gold groups beat all the typical XM193 loads. My best group last week was 1.15" at 100 yards, 5 shots with WG.

For me, Wolf Gold is right around 2 inches at 100 yards thru Wilson bull barrel 1/8 twist. Whereas Hornady American Gunner (also 55 grain round), consistently averages .75". 5 shot groups

1.50-2.00 MOA

good bulk ammo

What happened to him?

Why is that?

Is it a different bullet construction than typical M193?

US made M193/M855 are pretty much the worst shooting ball ammo around. Foreign variants tend to be much more accurate

The bullet construction of M193 and the XM193 is very specific, as per the US Mil requirement, including the bullet jacket material, thickness, etc.

I do not know how different the Wolf Gold bullet is to the M193 and WG is not claiming it as a M193 clone.

I'm getting more accuracy with Wolf Gold maybe simply because my rifles "like" it more. Maybe the bullet is better quality, more consistent. Whatever the reason, Wolf Gold has a good balance of velocity, accuracy, and consistency.

It's getting cheap too, seen loads of it today for $6.99, Federal same style same price, a buck less than the Russian steel case.

Reloading, IDK why I keep on doing it. 50rd boxes of Hornady steel case 75 BTHP, $21.99. You cant' buy the components for that.

This was the biggest point of Molon's review/test.
He said it was the most consistent inexpensive Ammo available.

Also WG is not 5.56 NATO. It's .223 not M193.

I generally buy ammo by the case.  One case of Wolf Gold I bought shoots about 2.5 inches below the bull (compared to my regular load) in a group about 2 to 2.5 inches.  Another case of Wolf Gold, manufactured 2 weeks later, hit above and to the right about 3 inches.  And it's groups were about 2.5 to 3 inches.

So, it can vary considerably from lot to lot.

Of course, both lot's groups still mostly fit inside a group of American Eagle. My rifles do not like that stuff.

Curious as well.

That's really unfortunate.  He provided excellent info at his time and expense.

5 shot groups, yes, Wolf Gold can approach 1 moa regularly, definitely under 1.5.  10 shot groups is when it starts showing its not a match round, just fantastic bulk ammo.

That's what I tell myself when I look at the 6K raw .mil 556  brass

Tested a few different types of ammo the other day with my 14.5" AR.  Wold Gold was OK.  Using a Vortex Razor 1-6 and AR was stabilized very well.

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As others say, US made M193 (Win/Fed/LC/etc) tends to all be about the bottom of the barrel of quality.  You have to go to Russian steel to get worse.  In decreasing order of importance it comes down to:
-how evenly and uniformly is the lead distributed in the jacket, (voids or anything else that will cause the 1/4 Million RPM spinning bullet to be out of balance, will wreck accuracy more than anything.
-how consistent is the lead total mass in that jacket,
-how consistent is the shape of the bullet,
-how consistent in the powder charge pushing the whole thing
-How consistent is the brass dimension and metallurgy and tension also can matter, for most US ammo, they already blew it before we get to that part.

US made M193/M855 does the bare minimum to meet spec on those bullet quality specs, and as a result, have shitty accuracy.  Wolf Gold tries to half-ass a little less than the US plants, and so has better ammo.  Just look at the back of the bullets for starters.  Good 55 FMJ like Hornady bullets, will have a nice consistent and uniform lead portion surround by the copper jacket; and correspondingly tend to shoot pretty darned good.  Cheap crap USGI spec bullets will have unevenly distributed smeared lead of varying visible depths from bullet to bullet.

what range was that at?

Nevermind, just noticed the post-it note at the top