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Posted: 5/24/2023 8:51:17 PM EDT
Why are people running mags other than Gen 3 PMAG's, unless the platform is unique or your goals are unique (20 rounders from the bench).
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Posted: 5/24/2023 8:52:54 PM EDT
[#1]
Because E2's and HK's are better
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Posted: 5/24/2023 8:57:45 PM EDT
[#2]
Nothing wrong with Gen2 Pmags or Gen3 Pmags.
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Posted: 5/24/2023 9:00:39 PM EDT
[#3]
Luddites.
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Posted: 5/24/2023 9:02:24 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JetPumpright: HK's are better No. Lol. USGI guy. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2023 9:11:43 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ecgRN: No. Lol. USGI guy. OKAY |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 9:18:44 PM EDT
[#6]
I prefer metal feed lips
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Posted: 5/24/2023 9:35:31 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 5/24/2023 9:51:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Grumple]
[#8]
Why run anything other than a USGI or Lancer?
Pmags aren't the cream of the crop any stretch of the imagination |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 9:55:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grumple: Why run anything other than a USGI or Lancer? Pmags aren't the cream of the crop any stretch of the imagination This.^^^^^^ Best mag is a USGI 20rd with alloy follower |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 10:12:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: -Apocalypto-]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grumple: Why run anything other than a USGI or Lancer? Pmags aren't the cream of the crop any stretch of the imagination |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 10:59:27 PM EDT
[#11]
I started every deployment with NIW OKAY's and they never let me down.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2023 11:17:12 PM EDT
[#12]
Why have to deal with split mags? Aluminum FTW.
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Posted: 5/24/2023 11:29:23 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By colossians323: OKAY 
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USA
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Posted: 5/24/2023 11:50:02 PM EDT
[#14]
Canadian Thermolds
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 12:10:32 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grumple: Why run anything other than a USGI or Lancer? Pmags aren't the cream of the crop any stretch of the imagination UM, I hate to tell you this (not really, lol), but Pmags are USGI and have been for some time. Best is subjective. I think all three if the USGI is Okay, are cream of the crop IMO no matter what the haters of each one say at any stretch of the imagination as well. I also have D&H with no problems, same for DD 32's but I've heard that the splines crack from time to time with those. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 12:11:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gtsteve03: Why have to deal with split mags? Aluminum FTW. Is this true or just being edgy in tech? Pics of USGI Pmag M3's with split mags to verify? |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 12:13:12 AM EDT
[#17]
I use Lancers except for 20rd mags
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 12:17:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ArizonaRifleman]
[#18]
Because I run what works and certain magazines or the same magazine types from different companies I use to ID the ammo type inside. For instance:
Lancer translucent: Speer 55 GDSP Okay/D&H USGI greys: M193 FMJ Magpul Pmags M3 black or coyote: Mk262 |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 12:47:20 AM EDT
[#19]
Because the top rounds in aluminum mags don't pop out, swell the top of the mag, or get all wompy like crooked meth teeth if you drop belt on the ground.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 12:49:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperStormBryan: Because the top rounds in aluminum mags don't pop out, swell the top of the mag, or get all wompy like crooked meth teeth if you drop belt on the ground. They still will if used in mag clamps, I had a USGI swell before, and I've not had one go wompy when dropped looking like whatever it is you're describing. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 12:56:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArizonaRifleman: They still will if used in mag clamps, I had a USGI swell before, and I've not had one go wompy when dropped looking like whatever it is you're describing. Top one or two rounds push the feed lips aside and angle upwards. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 12:57:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperStormBryan: Because the top rounds in aluminum mags don't pop out, swell the top of the mag, or get all wompy like crooked meth teeth if you drop belt on the ground. I have seen 2 different instructors demonstrate top rounds popping out of aluminum mags. I run both Okay metal mags and PMags. Just depends on what I’m feeling that day. My PMags have been subjected to mild freezing to 105F temp in humid and muddy conditions, many carbine courses, etc. Never an issue. I’m not sure what you are trying to describe but it doesn’t sound realistic. Unless you have pics to help explain. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 1:08:32 AM EDT
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Have a bunch of the old Imperial Defense all steel ones and they are awesome, heavy AF but awesome.
I wear them on the front of my PC for added protection. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 1:16:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SuperStormBryan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: I have seen 2 different instructors demonstrate top rounds popping out of aluminum mags. I run both Okay metal mags and PMags. Just depends on what I’m feeling that day. My PMags have been subjected to mild freezing to 105F temp in humid and muddy conditions, many carbine courses, etc. Never an issue. I’m not sure what you are trying to describe but it doesn’t sound realistic. Unless you have pics to help explain. I don't have any of my own pics, and my wife will get torqued if I start dropping mags to replicate it, but I did find this image. Essentially the this but the round of the left works up further and sticks out over the feed lips at an even steeper angle.  I've no doubt rounds can pop out of an aluminum mag, but they reliably do so out of a pmag. For the record, I like pmags, they're my go to mag, but I also like being a butthole, no matter how true what I said is. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 1:20:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperStormBryan: Top one or two rounds push the feed lips aside and angle upwards. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SuperStormBryan: Originally Posted By ArizonaRifleman: They still will if used in mag clamps, I had a USGI swell before, and I've not had one go wompy when dropped looking like whatever it is you're describing. Top one or two rounds push the feed lips aside and angle upwards. They didn't look like what you're describing either. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 1:44:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
[#26]
Lancers are better, and beat PMag's every time. PMags are fine. But, when tested comparatively, Lancers are better. Google: "Unscientific Magazine Comparison Test Site:Www.ar15.com", and behold.
When that test was dismissed, and someone recently tested both of them side-by-side again about 6 months ago, he concluded the PMags were better - but the data didn't actually agree, and again - the Lancers were still better. The PMags are good, and very plenty much bigly good for everything you want to do. And the Lancers are better. Why are you still running PMags and not Lancers? |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 1:45:13 AM EDT
[#27]
lancers for my 300BO
okay and pmags for my 5.56. no accidentally mischambered rounds and i get to keep fingers. win/win. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 1:50:40 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ElliotAbrahms: lancers for my 300BO okay and pmags for my 5.56. no accidentally mischambered rounds and i get to keep fingers. win/win. Naw, it'll be fine  (not staged) |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 1:52:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TREETOP]
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This thread reads like one of those high school kids who just discovered music a few years ago, and looks down his nose at anyone who doesn’t use Beats Bluetooth headphones to listen to their 128kbps MP3s. Yep OP, your chosen method works fine. Some people like other things.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 2:42:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Naw, it'll be fine https://i.postimg.cc/ZqPSwLgj/20221202-155648.jpg (not staged) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By ElliotAbrahms: lancers for my 300BO okay and pmags for my 5.56. no accidentally mischambered rounds and i get to keep fingers. win/win. Naw, it'll be fine https://i.postimg.cc/ZqPSwLgj/20221202-155648.jpg (not staged) I don't think that his comment was saying anything about Magpuls and 300 as far as functioning or not and more to do with being able to ID munitions in magazines. It's actually smart to do by having a way to ID what's in the magazines by limiting what type of round goes in certain ones. I do it and have yet to use the wrong magazine for the wrong gun that it's to be shot from. And honestly if I were to go to 300 BO again (I won't, no use for it really), I'd retire my 20 pmags to storage and use the 300 BO 20's from Magpul to ID them as 300 BO magazines. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 2:47:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArizonaRifleman: I don't think that his comment was saying anything about Magpuls and 300 as far as functioning or not and more to do with being able to ID munitions in magazines. It's actually smart to do by having a way to ID what's in the magazines by limiting what type of round goes in certain ones. I do it and have yet to use the wrong magazine for the wrong gun that it's to be shot from. And honestly if I were to go to 300 BO again (I won't, no use for it really), I'd retire my 20 pmags to storage and use the 300 BO 20's from Magpul to ID them as 300 BO magazines. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArizonaRifleman: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By ElliotAbrahms: lancers for my 300BO okay and pmags for my 5.56. no accidentally mischambered rounds and i get to keep fingers. win/win. Naw, it'll be fine https://i.postimg.cc/ZqPSwLgj/20221202-155648.jpg (not staged) I don't think that his comment was saying anything about Magpuls and 300 as far as functioning or not and more to do with being able to ID munitions in magazines. It's actually smart to do by having a way to ID what's in the magazines by limiting what type of round goes in certain ones. I do it and have yet to use the wrong magazine for the wrong gun that it's to be shot from. And honestly if I were to go to 300 BO again (I won't, no use for it really), I'd retire my 20 pmags to storage and use the 300 BO 20's from Magpul to ID them as 300 BO magazines. (I was actually agreeing with him, jokingly - guess I didn't do a good job of it) |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 2:59:15 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JetPumpright: Because E2's and HK's are better Lol no. HK mags are garbage. USGI with a magpul follower is The Power and Glory. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 3:05:06 AM EDT
[#33]
Other mags work too.
I have tons of Pmags, USGIs, lancers and a half dozen DD mags. They work. So I use them. I’m not brand loyal. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 4:04:23 AM EDT
[#34]
I prefer aluminum...
Two PMags I had that had issues, both were fairly new/unused.  
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Posted: 5/25/2023 4:41:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnDough]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Lancers are better, and beat PMag's every time. PMags are fine. But, when tested comparatively, Lancers are better. Google: "Unscientific Magazine Comparison Test Site:Www.ar15.com", and behold. When that test was dismissed, and someone recently tested both of them side-by-side again about 6 months ago, he concluded the PMags were better - but the data didn't actually agree, and again - the Lancers were still better. The PMags are good, and very plenty much bigly good for everything you want to do. And the Lancers are better. Why are you still running PMags and not Lancers? Because I tried Lancer L5 AWM in my sr25 and all they did was malfunction. Every mag. Bolt release...round (mk319) nosedived into the mag front wall, lol. The pmags and Sr25 mags functuoned flawlessly. Never tried lancers again in anything. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 7:07:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gtsteve03: Why have to deal with split mags? Aluminum FTW. Why have to deal with dented mags? Polymer FTW. I've used both Magpuls and aluminum USGI for years, really have no preference...but I've had more issues with aluminum mags than I have with Magpuls. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 7:20:48 AM EDT
[#37]
I've got a pile of gen 2 & 3 magpuls. No problems worth mentioning, but I prefer lancer.
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Posted: 5/25/2023 7:28:18 AM EDT
[#38]
Buy a mix of quality mags from vetted manufacturers.
Shoot more/wonder less. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:09:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnDough: Because I tried Lancer L5 AWM in my sr25 and all they did was malfunction. Every mag. Bolt release...round (mk319) nosedived into the mag front wall, lol. The pmags and Sr25 mags functuoned flawlessly. Never tried lancers again in anything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnDough: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Lancers are better, and beat PMag's every time. PMags are fine. But, when tested comparatively, Lancers are better. Google: "Unscientific Magazine Comparison Test Site:Www.ar15.com", and behold. When that test was dismissed, and someone recently tested both of them side-by-side again about 6 months ago, he concluded the PMags were better - but the data didn't actually agree, and again - the Lancers were still better. The PMags are good, and very plenty much bigly good for everything you want to do. And the Lancers are better. Why are you still running PMags and not Lancers? Because I tried Lancer L5 AWM in my sr25 and all they did was malfunction. Every mag. Bolt release...round (mk319) nosedived into the mag front wall, lol. The pmags and Sr25 mags functuoned flawlessly. Never tried lancers again in anything. ? This sub forum is AR15 >> Magazines, not AR10/magazines. I run both brands of AR10 mags as well. Both run fine for me. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:12:39 AM EDT
[#40]
Originally Posted By JohnDough: Why are people running mags other than Gen 3 PMAG's, unless the platform is unique or your goals are unique (20 rounders from the bench). They didn’t exist when I bought magazines. Feel free to replace all my mags with your current coolness so I can be cool too. Otherwise I’ll run what I bought before it was too old for the new crowd. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:16:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: -Obsessed-]
[#41]
Because Lancers exists.
Why run anything except Lancers? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:16:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ArizonaRifleman]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: ? This sub forum is AR15 >> Magazines, not AR10/magazines. I run both brands of AR10 mags as well. Both run fine for me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By JohnDough: Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Lancers are better, and beat PMag's every time. PMags are fine. But, when tested comparatively, Lancers are better. Google: "Unscientific Magazine Comparison Test Site:Www.ar15.com", and behold. When that test was dismissed, and someone recently tested both of them side-by-side again about 6 months ago, he concluded the PMags were better - but the data didn't actually agree, and again - the Lancers were still better. The PMags are good, and very plenty much bigly good for everything you want to do. And the Lancers are better. Why are you still running PMags and not Lancers? Because I tried Lancer L5 AWM in my sr25 and all they did was malfunction. Every mag. Bolt release...round (mk319) nosedived into the mag front wall, lol. The pmags and Sr25 mags functuoned flawlessly. Never tried lancers again in anything. ? This sub forum is AR15 >> Magazines, not AR10/magazines. I run both brands of AR10 mags as well. Both run fine for me. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:45:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Lancers are better, and beat PMag's every time. PMags are fine. But, when tested comparatively, Lancers are better. Google: "Unscientific Magazine Comparison Test Site:Www.ar15.com", and behold. When that test was dismissed, and someone recently tested both of them side-by-side again about 6 months ago, he concluded the PMags were better - but the data didn't actually agree, and again - the Lancers were still better. The PMags are good, and very plenty much bigly good for everything you want to do. And the Lancers are better. Why are you still running PMags and not Lancers? Ive had the opposite experience. I took 5 brand new Lancer hybrid mags to a class last year. Took them out of the package myself. I hate feed issues with every single one of them. I wasnt able to fire a full mag at all without a stoppage. I even swapped mags with a few guys for them to try and see if it was rifle related somehow, and they had feed issues also. I switched to pmags the third day, and had zero issues. These are the only Lancer mags ive ever tried, but it was prevalent enough that I wont use them again. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:52:45 AM EDT
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On a separate note, one class that had a lot of DD 32's being used, had multiple spline cracking issues. I don't think that an AAR was ever done up about it and shared on Primary & Secondary though.
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Posted: 5/25/2023 11:55:55 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArizonaRifleman: Is this true or just being edgy in tech? Pics of USGI Pmag M3's with split mags to verify? |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2023 11:59:07 AM EDT
[#46]
pmags, e2 and d&h all good to go
the only possible gripe against pmags is they're a little thicker and may not be as slick in some lowers I used to like Lancers, but their springs seem weak compared to any other mag. I have yet to have an issue with one, but it makes me not trust them. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 1:43:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GaryT1776]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheQuadfather: Luddites. I resemble that remark. OP, because the last generation of Okay / Surefeed aluminum mags fit in pouches better, are 100% reliable, fit in EVERY lower (unlike PMAGs) and drop free "easier" when you've subjected your gun to some mud or some debris has found its way into your mag well. FWIW I've been using Okays and LaBelles since the mid 1980s, and PMAGs for about 15 years (I'm guessing). I've had more issues with PMAGs than USGI. In LMT rifles I get a lot of failure to go fully into battery when releasing the bolt with the bolt release on a full PMAG. Zero issues with the same guns, same ammo, USGI aluminum mags. I have the same thing happen occasionally on Colts and KACs. CANNOT stand how PMAGs fit in BCM lowers. PMAGs are a lot like Glocks. The amount of internet support is absurd and I feel like a lot of it is just people repeating what they've heard. I suspect not a lot of people have tried a couple thousand mags in a couple hundred ARs through a couple hundred thousand rounds of ammo. Glocks work, mostly. PMAGs work, mostly. Is there a better mousetrap? I think so, but I still carry a Glock and own PMAGs. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 1:45:15 PM EDT
[#48]
I will gladly trade anyone my NIW Gen2 or Gen3 PMAGs for your Okays.
Just hit me with a IM and we'll work out details. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 2:45:10 PM EDT
[#49]
Guy that thinks HK mags are anything but overpriced rust magnets must never leave his basement.
Can rarely go wrong with pmags. Sometimes I just want an Okay Surefeed though. Choices. I have problems with the E2s feeding sims but that’s a little niche |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 5:03:31 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScoutH57: Guy that thinks HK mags are anything but overpriced rust magnets must never leave his basement. Can rarely go wrong with pmags. Sometimes I just want an Okay Surefeed though. Choices. I have problems with the E2s feeding sims but that’s a little niche I bought some of these and e2, as well as 3 Vietnam era NIW alloy follower 20s. I view those 3 items as the tip of the spear for non polymer mags. |
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