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Posted: 4/30/2020 3:02:28 AM EDT
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Because carbine gas just is far less common on 16 inch guns now.
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Posted: 4/30/2020 3:11:50 AM EDT
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If you HAD TO you could have the chamber on a .223 reamed to Wylde.
I just had that done to a Remington barrel. |
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Posted: 4/30/2020 3:17:21 AM EDT
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Is there a particular compelling reason you want carbine length gas? Mid length is awesome.
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Posted: 4/30/2020 3:38:27 AM EDT
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Do not make a purchase based on gas system length alone, its not that important. Also I wouldn't make a purchase based on a wylde chamber alone either. Pick which ones more important to you and go with that. Neither makes enough different to solely base a purchase decision on just that one thing.
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Posted: 4/30/2020 10:01:36 AM EDT
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My Lilja Recon is 16" & carbine gas system. Faxson makes 16" barrels that are carbine.
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Posted: 4/30/2020 10:10:22 AM EDT
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It IS available.
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Posted: 4/30/2020 1:20:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCC83501: My Lilja Recon is 16" & carbine gas system. Faxson makes 16" barrels that are carbine. How do you like the recon setup? I’ve already looked at faxson and they only offer (according to their website) mid length and rifle length in Wylde chambers. |
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Posted: 4/30/2020 2:25:08 PM EDT
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16" Hybrid Contour, Carbine Gas System, 223 Wylde
Mfr Part: 15160HY6 Cartridge: 223 Wylde Length: 16" Barrel Weight: 2.0005 lbs Contour: Hybrid Finish: Parkerized Gas System Length: Carbine, ... |
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Posted: 4/30/2020 4:07:40 PM EDT
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If you really want one have someone build it for you. I’m sure White Oak or the like will build whatever you will pay for.
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Posted: 4/30/2020 9:20:35 PM EDT
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Quoted: Looked extensively all over the web for a 16inch carbine gas chambered in 223 Wylde and very few manufactures offer this configuration. I know a few terrible companies offer it and other then that I’m finding nothing. I’m inclined to believe that there is a perfectly valid reason for this and would like to know why. Why isn’t this a more popular option? Thanks folks -The "terrible" companies make the bastard configurations -The valid reason is that the proven companies you want to buy from are selling the midlength gas in 16" because it is proven. -16" gas is not as popular as it was 10 years ago, the myths have been dispelled, and you should give midlength a try. 2 questions for you: -Why 16" carbine gas? (14.5 would be a better choice with CG) -Why the Wylde chamber? 5.56 will do what you want. |
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Posted: 4/30/2020 10:19:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kommando_K: How do you like the recon setup? I’ve already looked at faxson and they only offer (according to their website) mid length and rifle length in Wylde chambers. Lilja is a laser. Intermediate gas on Rainier UM is super smooth though compared to the Lilja |
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Posted: 5/8/2020 6:53:21 AM EDT
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Rock River Arms still makes a Nation Match stainless .223 Wilde upper in 16” stainless.
But yea, for 14.5” to 16”, mid length every time. My first AR upper was a RRA 16” HBAR carbine, too much gas. Great accuracy though. I’d focus less on the chamber and more on the manufacturer of the barrel. Sticking to .223 Wylde in a 16” carbine system doesn’t give you many choices. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 11:44:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DCC83501: My Lilja Recon is 16" & carbine gas system. Faxson makes 16" barrels that are carbine. ^ ^ ^ Same here. My Lilja 16” M4 Navy barrel is the same Recce profile as made by them for NSWC Crane SEAL Recce rifles. 1:8 Wylde chamber, carbine gas port location. This is a match grade (actually benchrest grade - all they make) stainless hand lapped barrel. Available direct sale only from the barrel maker. Very sub MOA (sub 1/2 MOA with match grade component handloads).   |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 11:52:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaska511: -The "terrible" companies make the bastard configurations -The valid reason is that the proven companies you want to buy from are selling the midlength gas in 16" because it is proven. -16" gas is not as popular as it was 10 years ago, the myths have been dispelled, and you should give midlength a try. 2 questions for you: -Why 16" carbine gas? (14.5 would be a better choice with CG) -Why the Wylde chamber? 5.56 will do what you want. Lilja is a “terrible” company? Do tell? I realize that this is probably being made for the true Recce clone market, but is sure does shoot well. I mean extremely well. There are other ways to control gas pressure than port location alone, and a 16” with carbine port can reliably shoot an extremely wide range of .223/5.56 ammo from weak low pressure to full power 5.56. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 12:09:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MS556: Lilja is a “terrible” company? Do tell? I realize that this is probably being made for the true Recce clone market, but is sure does shoot well. I mean extremely well. There are other ways to control gas pressure than port location alone, and a 16” with carbine port can reliably shoot an extremely wide range of .223/5.56 ammo from weak low pressure to full power 5.56. That’s exactly why my interest is piqued. I feel like a 16” carbine Wylde chambered would be a reliable beast on paper but the fact that few manufactors offer this arrangement makes me reconsider. I’ll look into lilja and criterion as others have mentioned, those are highly regarded companies with good R&D so it seems promising. 16inch gas to eat street case, brass, shit ammo and good ammo. Wylde chamber to shoot tight groups with match ammo if interested. Seems awesome to me! If anyone has this setup reply in thread and let us know your experiences. Thanks yall |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 12:15:27 PM EDT
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Have one made by Black Hole Weaponry. They have a 30% off sale going on now. Long turnaround time, but solid in terms of accuracy and construction.
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Posted: 5/13/2020 12:31:13 PM EDT
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A good midlength barrel should run all ammo and the wylde chamber’s main purpose is to run both 223 and 5.56 safely with the minimum amount of free ore needed which might make it a bit more accurate than a dedicated 5.56 chamber.
I really think that you’re overthinking it and there’s a reason that particular configuration is not really used by anybody. |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 11:50:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MS556: ^ ^ ^ Same here. My Lilja 16” M4 Navy barrel is the same Recce profile as made by them for NWSC Crane SEAL Recce rifles. 1:8 Wylde chamber, carbine gas port location. This is a match grade (actually benchrest grade - all they make) stainless hand lapped barrel. Available direct sale only from the barrel maker. Very sub MOA (sub 1/2 MOA with match grade component handloads). https://i.postimg.cc/B6zdSmNF/IMG-1636-kindlephoto-796954074.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zBRcQw4f/IMG-3607.jpg Have that exact barrel! sub MOA for sure! |
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Posted: 5/24/2020 6:14:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/24/2020 7:00:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/24/2020 10:08:36 PM EDT
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Those are mid length gas systems |
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Posted: 6/24/2020 10:02:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'd give them a shot... The 20" barrel I have from them is a tack driver... and they are "flying under the radar" with their low prices. 
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Posted: 7/2/2020 3:23:43 AM EDT
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The reason carbine gas is not available with 223 Wylde is because carbine gas is inferior to midlength gas, just like the 5.56 chamber is inferior to 223 Wylde. No rational company would select the inferior gas system so it is rare. You will also see more 1/8 twists with that combination because it makes more sense than 1/9 or 1/7 twist.
There is NO advantage to a carbine gas 16" 223 Wylde barrel. I just want that to be clear to everyone. Mid gas will reliably cycle 45 grain .223 ammo, 55 grain steel Wolf crap, or 77 grain 5.56 ammo all just fine. The gas port size is less picky and lower port pressure creates less gas port errosion and change over a barrels life. It even works well with a low mass carrier and adjustable gas port. The very worst case scenariois would be 100% function with a failure to reliably lock the bolt on the last shot with the most low powered ammo when dirty and dry. Nothing more.... and even then only with a low mass carrier, no lube, and dirty. |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 11:31:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reason carbine gas is not available with 223 Wylde is because carbine gas is inferior to midlength gas, just like the 5.56 chamber is inferior to 223 Wylde. No rational company would select the inferior gas system so it is rare. You will also see more 1/8 twists with that combination because it makes more sense than 1/9 or 1/7 twist. There is NO advantage to a carbine gas 16" 223 Wylde barrel. I just want that to be clear to everyone. Mid gas will reliably cycle 45 grain .223 ammo, 55 grain steel Wolf crap, or 77 grain 5.56 ammo all just fine. The gas port size is less picky and lower port pressure creates less gas port errosion and change over a barrels life. It even works well with a low mass carrier and adjustable gas port. The very worst case scenariois would be 100% function with a failure to reliably lock the bolt on the last shot with the most low powered ammo when dirty and dry. Nothing more.... and even then only with a low mass carrier, no lube, and dirty. So I have to ask why carbine length gas is available at all then? |
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Posted: 7/2/2020 1:05:04 PM EDT
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Quoted: So I have to ask why carbine length gas is available at all then? Because of old ideas and old tooling. People get stuck in there ways. There’s really not a good argument for it on a 16” barrel. |
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Posted: 7/4/2020 6:02:03 PM EDT
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There is McGowan Precision.
They will make you a completely custom barrel. |
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Posted: 7/19/2020 3:32:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have that exact barrel! sub MOA for sure! Quote HistoryQuoted: Originally Posted By MS556: ^ ^ ^ Same here. My Lilja 16” M4 Navy barrel is the same Recce profile as made by them for NWSC Crane SEAL Recce rifles. 1:8 Wylde chamber, carbine gas port location. This is a match grade (actually benchrest grade - all they make) stainless hand lapped barrel. Available direct sale only from the barrel maker. Very sub MOA (sub 1/2 MOA with match grade component handloads). https://i.postimg.cc/B6zdSmNF/IMG-1636-kindlephoto-796954074.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zBRcQw4f/IMG-3607.jpg Have that exact barrel! sub MOA for sure! Sub 1/2 MOA capable with carefully worked up handloads with match components.  |
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Posted: 7/23/2020 1:37:23 PM EDT
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^^^ Nice ^^^^
I see both this barrel and my Rainier Arms UM being better than me for sure! Damn, I have to stay away from reloading! if I start down that rabbit hole, I'm screwed! |
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Posted: 7/24/2020 10:54:17 PM EDT
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try RRA OP
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