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Posted: 1/28/2018 2:23:04 PM EDT
[#1]
Depending on how quick you need them wait around and see if PSA has any sales. I picked up a Magpul MBUS set on their Thanksgiving sale for $50 shipped, normally the set would cost closer to $95. Or you could just keep hitting the EE, cheap sets come up for sale quite often but you might have to compromise on color.
I think the MBUS from Magpul are the best bang for your buck for a sub $100 set. Over $100 I like the MBUS Pros which are metal. |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 2:23:05 PM EDT
[#2]
mbus...49$ at PSA
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Posted: 1/28/2018 2:24:52 PM EDT
[#3]
I agree, I settled for cheap chinese 45 degree since I have an Aimpoint. I trust that it will not fail me but I wish that lighter weight for flip ups did not cost so much.
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Posted: 1/28/2018 2:31:14 PM EDT
[#4]
People make the mistake of thinking they are your primary sights.
they are not.. If you are not going to be fighting any wars, you dont need any. If you have a red dot and you compete in some sort of shooting match and you think that for some reason your super awesome optic will go down in competition then thats a reason to buy a BUIS. It will allow you to finish the match. |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 3:09:28 PM EDT
[#5]
If you really need backup sights, just get the Magpul MBUS sights. They're polymer but they're pretty durable and on sale you can get 'em for under $60 a set.
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Posted: 1/28/2018 3:13:10 PM EDT
[#6]
$40 Matech and $60 YHM front on the EE if you want metal. Otherwise buy Magpul MBUS
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Posted: 1/28/2018 3:22:07 PM EDT
[#7]
You can get all-metal TROY BUIS for right around $100. I have TROY and YHM. IMO, both are quite good.
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Posted: 1/28/2018 3:24:29 PM EDT
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Been shopping around, I need a set of serviceable flip-up sights for my new upper, and I'm definitely suffering some sticker shock. Seems the least expensive for something better than Airsoft quality is around $60, and from there, it goes straight to $200+. Seems excessive, or am I just been a tight wad? Any suggestions in the sub-$100 range? Thanks. Dave |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 3:25:48 PM EDT
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People make the mistake of thinking they are your primary sights. they are not.. If you are not going to be fighting any wars, you dont need any. If you have a red dot and you compete in some sort of shooting match and you think that for some reason your super awesome optic will go down in competition then thats a reason to buy a BUIS. It will allow you to finish the match. Self defense, yes! Counting on a red dot and having it (or its battery) fail could ruin your whole day Losing a range day because the red dot sight dies is a real PITA. These are not war-fighting but both really SUCK. Why are they so expensive? Most likely due to market forces (labor cost, advertising cost, supply-demand, prevailing prices,...). |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 3:29:59 PM EDT
[#10]
$40 Matech and $60 YHM front on the EE if you want metal. Otherwise buy Magpul MBUS
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Posted: 1/28/2018 3:34:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/28/2018 3:44:25 PM EDT
[#12]
MBUS. It’s about the cheapest you’re gonna get while still being reliable.
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Posted: 1/28/2018 4:49:31 PM EDT
[#13]
~$50 for DD fixed front and either a matech or arms 40 rear for ~$40-80 off the EE.
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Posted: 1/28/2018 7:37:19 PM EDT
[#14]
Yes, they are a rip off as a general rule. Compare that materials involved vs, say, AR stocks or receivers or even rails and it's kinda silly to spend $150-200 on them. I generally go on-sale MBUS, though on a few guns I do get DD fixed fronts or Magpul pro LR rears. Depends on the application. Sometimes ya gotta pay to play I suppose.
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Posted: 1/28/2018 9:46:07 PM EDT
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All my ARs have Troy battle sights. All of them have been bought off the EE here for a max of $115 for the set.
ETA: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/Troy-Iron-Sights-Black-HK-Front-115-shipped/163-1735106/ |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 9:52:48 PM EDT
[#16]
They cost what the market will bear.
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Posted: 1/28/2018 10:09:40 PM EDT
[#17]
Having used chicom sights vs a number of progressively more expensive sights, I can say it pays to spend a little more money.
Cheap chicom sights won't survive a fall. Those that I've seen/used generally had so much "wiggle" when deployed it wouldn't have done any good to zero them since your POI would change between shots and/or each time they were raised and lowered. Middle of the road BUIS like yhm are fine. They had more sharp edges and didn't tend to be as low profile as others. Otherwise they worked just fine. I preferred GG&G...They seemed better thought out than yhm. Moving up in price corrects the above issues while remaining durable. PRI, KAC, Troy, etc are in this category. More expensive than that? I don't know, never used them Also never used magpul sights but they tend to get decent reviews. |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 10:17:52 PM EDT
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Been shopping around, I need a set of serviceable flip-up sights for my new upper, and I'm definitely suffering some sticker shock. Magpul, YHM, and Midwest Industries all make sights that work for a reasonable price. They'll do what most people do unless they're building a clone or need more clearance for a scope. |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 10:33:42 PM EDT
[#19]
We hate Troy but god help me I love their sights!
I have 3 ARs, all with fixed A2 front sights. 1 has Matech rear, one has Troy rear, one has Magpul rear. I agree, the shit costs too much. |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 11:57:24 PM EDT
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Back up sights need to be rugged. They need to fold and deploy consistently with no change in zero. They need to be able to be zeroed easily and stay zeroed through reasonable abuse. And they need to be reasonably light. They should have dual rear apertures, one relatively large for rapid target acquisition, the other small for more precise shot placemrnt.
Doing all of these things reliably and repeatedly requires good design, material and workmanship. Frankly, getting a good front and rear folding backup sight for under $100 is a challenge. Magpul's MBUS gets it done. I would not go cheaper. If you have a fixed A2 front sight block then you can get the rear MBUS for under $60, less used. They are almost indestructable. |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 2:29:00 AM EDT
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On pretty much all of my guns I have a fixed FSB and then a back up rear but when I do need a front sight on a rail it is always a fixed one like the LMT, Troy, or DD etc. that you can pick up for $40-50 here on the EE or new for under $50. If you are a flip front sight type of guy then the Mbus PRO is one I see fairly often around $60ish , $65 easy. I am sure there are others that beat this price I just don't look at them much.
For the rear I tend to like a flip rear sight but sometimes use fixed ones too. A fixed DD A1.5 rear sight can be picked up around $50 here on the EE fairly often and a Mil-Spec carry handle can be found $40-45 fairly often and you can cut it down easily to allow installation of your favorite red dot. When it comes to a flip rear sight there are countless options... my favorites are probably the Troy's but they run about $70-80 (sometimes cheaper on the EE). A great sight for the money is the KAC Micro that the USMC uses you can pick up every day for $50 and they are about as good as it gets but only allows one aperture which is fine for a back up. Matechs are even cheaper at the $35-45 price pretty often and work well for what they are but aren't my first picks since they tend to have issues staying closed when they get wore out. And as many others have mentioned the MBUS can be had for $50-60 for the set at times and about $70-80 or less every day without sales. A great cheap combo is a Troy fixed front sight for $45, and a MBUS rear for about $35-40. Substitute any sight you like to suit your needs... And to those of you who don't see the point in running back ups that is fine by me but all of my guns are fighting guns. I doubt I ever have to use them for that but in the case that I do I want them to be ready to go and not worry about failure. I also don't have a problem running cheaper Holosun, PA, Vortex etc. red dots for this very reason, they work great and if I ever do have an issue I still have my back up sights. We all have our own reasons for why we buy or collect guns and I understand why some don't feel the need to have back up sights but for me I feel the need to have them. |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 10:27:05 AM EDT
[#22]
I recently got these for around $82 shipped and they're really nice
Optics Planet had them on sale for $96 and they'll let you use a 15% off code if you call (says not valid on sale items or Sig Sauer products if you try to enter it online) https://www.opticsplanet.com/sig-sauer-iron-sight-set-flip-up-m1913-rail.html 
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Posted: 1/29/2018 3:28:29 PM EDT
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They cost what the market will bear. That said, I believe any rifle that MIGHT be used in a defensive manner should have quality BUIS, period. Optics can go down, anything and everything can break, usually at the most inopportune time. Almost all my BUIS are KAC for folding or DD for fixed, but I always buy used, new prices for KAC are way up there IMO |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 8:20:52 PM EDT
[#24]
At the upper end of these prices, might as well put the money towards a backup red dot (RMRs are under $350 or a holosun) or laser.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 12:38:17 AM EDT
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At the upper end of these prices, might as well put the money towards a backup red dot (RMRs are under $350 or a holosun) or laser. Its not either/or. It is both/and. My HD carbine run Leupold's Deltapoint Pro. Duty grade. But it is absolute cowitness height with an A2 FSB and a folded Magpul MBUS behind it. Stuff happens even with good equipment, and when you least expect it. Anything made by man can fail. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 1:38:17 AM EDT
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true, but if you've got a tank of an optic (trijicon, aimpoint pro etc.), it's more survivable than backup irons so....yeah. It's a bit like pinning your hopes on the bullet resistance of a t-shirt after your ceramic plate fails. It's not outside the realm of sanity to run a durable optic, and then train to point shoot. In the vast majority of imaginable defensive shooting scenarios, point shooting is likely viable, with sufficient training. Maybe not for a war, but hardly any AR15s in America will ever be used in a war, even if there IS a major SHTF.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 7:38:20 AM EDT
[#27]
Palmetto has been running a deal on a Magpul set. With the code it comes out to $49 and includes free shipping. Can't really beat that. Got a set myself last week.
http://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-gen-2-mbus-front-rear-back-up-sight-set.html |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 7:59:45 AM EDT
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Palmetto has been running a deal on a Magpul set. With the code it comes out to $49 and includes free shipping. Can't really beat that. Got a set myself last week. http://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-gen-2-mbus-front-rear-back-up-sight-set.html 
I've been running the magpul sets on everything with a red dot primary sight but none on other rifles with glass etched reticle optics. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 5:14:37 PM EDT
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Palmetto has been running a deal on a Magpul set. With the code it comes out to $49 and includes free shipping. Can't really beat that. Got a set myself last week. http://palmettostatearmory.com/magpul-gen-2-mbus-front-rear-back-up-sight-set.html Doh! code = MBUSSET, as imbedded in the picture. |
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Posted: 1/30/2018 6:06:13 PM EDT
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Just as an observation, I'd wager to say that BUIS are the one rifle accessory that has the highest adoption and lowest use rate in the AR world.
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Posted: 1/30/2018 9:30:12 PM EDT
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Just as an observation, I'd wager to say that BUIS are the one rifle accessory that has the highest adoption and lowest use rate in the AR world. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 12:44:40 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are not going to be fighting any wars, you dont need any. The cheapest acceptable buis I found are utg. They aren't great, but they seem to be servicable. Springfield uses a utg rear buis on the saint. They're $20. I have that sight and the matching from on one gun that I only use optics on. I also have a utg fixed from sight (lmt clone) on one rifle that is irons only. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 1:40:25 AM EDT
[#33]
You can find a set of Troys sight here on the EE for around $125. I prefer metal sight over plastic one. The Magpuls MBUS are also great and cheap.
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Posted: 1/31/2018 1:43:14 AM EDT
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People make the mistake of thinking they are your primary sights. they are not.. If you are not going to be fighting any wars, you dont need any. If you have a red dot and you compete in some sort of shooting match and you think that for some reason your super awesome optic will go down in competition then thats a reason to buy a BUIS. It will allow you to finish the match. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 2:47:25 AM EDT
[#35]
sort of ironic, sorta not. If I ever fight in a war, I won't have a $700B budget and the military industrial complex handing me new sights when I break them.
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Posted: 1/31/2018 11:55:29 AM EDT
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Just as an observation, I'd wager to say that BUIS are the one rifle accessory that has the highest adoption and lowest use rate in the AR world. With backups we get to train to be proficient with them. And, we should. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 1:21:11 PM EDT
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One could probably say the same thing about the spare tire in or under your trunk. Or the air bag inside your steering wheel. You hope to never use either, but are glad they are there when they do get used. With backups we get to train to be proficient with them. And, we should. 
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Posted: 1/31/2018 1:33:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suspect the number of folks who've had to use their spare tire, seatbelt or air bag is much higher than those who've had to use their irons. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 5:16:13 PM EDT
[#39]
Good made in USA stuff cost money, no was around that. Your alternative is Chinese/Gun Show sights.
Or just buy quality used on EE here. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 6:12:00 PM EDT
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I suspect the number of folks who've had to use their spare tire, seatbelt or air bag is much higher than those who've had to use their irons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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One could probably say the same thing about the spare tire in or under your trunk. Or the air bag inside your steering wheel. You hope to never use either, but are glad they are there when they do get used. With backups we get to train to be proficient with them. And, we should. never had to use my BUIS because my optic broke. Been shooting AR's 25 years. Always take 2 identical rifles to every match... Thats way cheaper than a $80 MBUS set. 
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Posted: 1/31/2018 8:27:19 PM EDT
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been driving since 1986. Had 2 flats total. been in 1 accident. Never deployed a airbag. never had to use my BUIS because my optic broke. Been shooting AR's 25 years. Always take 2 identical rifles to every match... Thats way cheaper than a $80 MBUS set. Personally, I am so sensitized to red dot failures because of my EOTech experiences, I don't trust any of them  ...
but my Aimpoint just keeps cranking along  .
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Posted: 1/31/2018 9:02:21 PM EDT
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Ever had your batteries die, before during or after a match? Preventative maintenance really helps avoid this but I thought I'd ask. Is replacing them part of your pre-match prep? P Quote HistoryQuoted:
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been driving since 1986. Had 2 flats total. been in 1 accident. Never deployed a airbag. never had to use my BUIS because my optic broke. Been shooting AR's 25 years. Always take 2 identical rifles to every match... Thats way cheaper than a $80 MBUS set. P |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 9:30:04 PM EDT
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As somewhat of a non-sequitur, if MBUSs continue becoming the default choice for a lot of people, should we technically start referring to them as BUPS instead of BUIS?
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:16:42 PM EDT
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Bought several sets of MBUS from Granite Ridge, they are a site supporter here.
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:24:01 PM EDT
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Bought several sets of MBUS from Granite Ridge, they are a site supporter here. http://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Magpul-MBUS-Front-and-Rear-Sight-Set-Various-Colors-MBUS-SET.htm |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:35:11 PM EDT
[#46]
Another classic case of don't like what I don't want you to like in tech.
The OP never asked to be disuaded from buying them. That means that you're not being helpful even the slightest. All of my rifles have them. Now whether I'll actually use them is uncertain. But I'll never have a gas rifle that doesn't have them and no amount of arguments will ever change that. And sorry, no not sorry for bursting your bubbles but we all don't use nor vision our guns the same. You're going to have to accept that or not comment about it at all. You aren't the only ones who knows a thing or two or has used them when it mattered. Deal with it and let that sink in that you're not our betters when it comes to deciding yes or no on a BUIS...and again, that wasn't asked at all. |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:46:10 PM EDT
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I have practiced using the top side of my RDS. Nothing says you have to pew pew looking thru something..
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:50:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:You're going to have to accept that or not comment about it at all....blah blah...and again, that wasn't asked at all. The Danial Defense fixed front is a great sight, and can be had on sale or with a discount code for about $50. Every once in a while I see them in the $40-ish range on the EE. For the rear, poly magpuls are prolly the cheapest rear I would run, but I like the Magpul Pro LRs much more. $70-90, but they are really nice sights. These (metal) options give me the confidence that they are sufficiently durable to function as backup sights....and they aren't $200 combined either. I do feel the OPs frustration with this. It's annoying that you can get a nice BCG, which has MUCH higher materials/machining costs, for less than the price of a nice rear sight.  It's regular old economics, of course, everyone (that wants an AR) has to have a BCG...but just a sliver of that population invests in nice back up sights. Massive scale advantage for the BCG. Still, it's annoying. I pretty much never feel like I got a 'good value' when I buy backup sights. Not like I do when I buy a rail or stock or grip or whatever. Muzzle devices are similar to the sights in a lot of ways. "what do you mean a 1" Battlecomp costs $150?!"
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Posted: 1/31/2018 10:59:15 PM EDT
[#49]
Aero's BUIS is $110, way better than any of the sub-$100 offerings IMO
http://www.graniteridgeoutfitters.com/Aero-Precision-AR15-Flip-Up-Sight-Set-Front-and-Rear-APRH100703.htm |
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Posted: 1/31/2018 11:21:20 PM EDT
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sort of ironic, sorta not. If I ever fight in a war, I won't have a $700B budget and the military industrial complex handing me new sights when I break them. |
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