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Posted: 7/21/2018 11:51:43 AM EDT
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Many folks say the barrel nut should only be tightened in a barrel vise, though I don't quite understand it.
I've only ever used a wheeler clamshell. Works fine for me. Haven't yet figured out a plan for my 308 upper. |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 12:33:07 PM EDT
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The best option for installing barrel nuts is the > 2UniqueLLC barreling jig < or better yet, the Windham Weaponry barreling jig.
Barrel blocks should only be used for muzzle device installation or removal, and they are the best solution for that job... If you use anything else for muzzle device work it will put you at risk of damaging things. People will be along shortly to recommend the BEV Block or the Reaction Rod. |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 12:56:45 PM EDT
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I use a Wheeler Delta. $23 and zero issues. Even comes with an insert to prevent crushing the receiver in the vise.
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Posted: 7/21/2018 1:00:59 PM EDT
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I use a Wheeler Delta. $23 and zero issues. Even comes with an insert to prevent crushing the receiver in the vise. 
I think the clam shell upper receiver vise blocks are preferable to the barreling jigs for removing barrel nuts due to the possibility of encountering very tight/stuck barrel nuts. |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 1:52:05 PM EDT
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That's why i was looking for something different than my dpms claw. Had a tough barrel nut to remove and the claw worked but barely. The whole fixture that wasn't in the vice seemed to move.
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Posted: 7/21/2018 2:51:20 PM EDT
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That's why i was looking for something different than my dpms claw. Had a tough barrel nut to remove and the claw worked but barely. The whole fixture that wasn't in the vice seemed to move. My procedure for removing barrel nuts involves inserting the 2UniqueLLC barreling jig into the upper receiver/barrel extension for internal support, then I clamp the upper receiver in the vise with a set of clam shell upper receiver vise blocks. You could also do this for installing barrel nuts if you want to be overly cautious. 
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Posted: 7/21/2018 2:59:18 PM EDT
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That's why i was looking for something different than my dpms claw. Had a tough barrel nut to remove and the claw worked but barely. The whole fixture that wasn't in the vice seemed to move. |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 3:06:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the torque experienced in a stubborn removal can far and away exceed what can be expected during a proper install. I had one that twice popped my wheeler clamshell from an 8" vise. Tight doesn't even describe it. I ended up applying some heat, and then while still warm, dribbling kroil onto the nut. A few hours later it came off with maybe 40lbs of torque. No idea what gorilla installed that nut...but I could still see grease on it and it had never been fired. I still have he upper, but after what it went through I'll probably never use it. PSA or BCM? |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 3:23:33 PM EDT
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Lmao...PSA.
At the time I'd never heard of the freezer trick, but id probably do it next time. If I didn't put 200+ ft-lbs on it the first time, then I'm a damned liar. |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 5:51:59 PM EDT
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Wheeler delta clamshell has worked well for me
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Haven't yet figured out a plan for my 308 upper. |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 6:13:56 PM EDT
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The best option for installing barrel nuts is the > 2UniqueLLC barreling jig < or better yet, the Windham Weaponry barreling jig. Barrel blocks should only be used for muzzle device installation or removal, and they are the best solution for that job... If you use anything else for muzzle device work it will put you at risk of damaging things. People will be along shortly to recommend the BEV Block or the Reaction Rod. |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 8:08:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing wrong with recommending the BEV. I've used mine for probably a dozen barrel swaps and builds since I bought it, and have no complaints at all. Price to performance wise, I'd say it's one of the best and most versatile options available. I also use it as a front sight block for removing taper pins, and it does a fine job of that, too. How do you use the BEV Block to remove taper pins? |
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Posted: 7/21/2018 8:59:35 PM EDT
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Oh, I didn't mean that as a jab. I just men't that they were the most popular and recommended options. How do you use the BEV Block to remove taper pins? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Nothing wrong with recommending the BEV. I've used mine for probably a dozen barrel swaps and builds since I bought it, and have no complaints at all. Price to performance wise, I'd say it's one of the best and most versatile options available. I also use it as a front sight block for removing taper pins, and it does a fine job of that, too. How do you use the BEV Block to remove taper pins? Here are some pics from a barrel swap I did the other day: 
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Posted: 7/21/2018 9:44:41 PM EDT
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Ah, wasn't sure. Anyway, I just use the BEV as a normal FSB block. I'm not sure if they actually intended it to be used that way by design, but it does the job pretty well. There is enough clearance to break the pins loose with full support of the FSB, then I move it a little back to tap the pins out. Here are some pics from a barrel swap I did the other day: http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/Mk18.10.3.Install/Mk18.10.3.Barrel.Install-FSB-01.jpg http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/Mk18.10.3.Install/Mk18.10.3.Barrel.Install-FSB-02.jpg http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/Mk18.10.3.Install/Mk18.10.3.Barrel.Install-FSB-03.jpg http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/Mk18.10.3.Install/Mk18.10.3.Barrel.Install-FSB-04.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Nothing wrong with recommending the BEV. I've used mine for probably a dozen barrel swaps and builds since I bought it, and have no complaints at all. Price to performance wise, I'd say it's one of the best and most versatile options available. I also use it as a front sight block for removing taper pins, and it does a fine job of that, too. How do you use the BEV Block to remove taper pins? Here are some pics from a barrel swap I did the other day: http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/Mk18.10.3.Install/Mk18.10.3.Barrel.Install-FSB-01.jpg http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/Mk18.10.3.Install/Mk18.10.3.Barrel.Install-FSB-02.jpg http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/Mk18.10.3.Install/Mk18.10.3.Barrel.Install-FSB-03.jpg http://wkd.site.nfoservers.com/CQBR/Mk18.10.3.Install/Mk18.10.3.Barrel.Install-FSB-04.jpg I have this very expensive FSB/lower receiver bench block set from RGUNS. > https://rguns.net/shop/r-guns-barrelreceiver-block-set/ It works very well though. I actually got it for a much better price at AIM after finding the Brownells FSB bench block inadequate for the job. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 12:00:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2018 12:25:43 AM EDT
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Avoid using the pin ONLY type upper receiver vise blocks as demonstrated in this thread. > Link.  |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 3:50:12 PM EDT
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I'll add this here too. > https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Anybody-ever-seen-one-of-these-AR-Jig-/118-721634/?page=1
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Posted: 7/22/2018 7:20:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2018 7:30:06 PM EDT
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That's an interesting tool.
Looks to Work inside the receiver, but unlike a reaction rod, doesn't touch the barrel extension. Interesting that it doesn't get in the way of any upper component. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 9:15:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI've seen it. If they made it so that it also engaged the barrel extension it would be unbeatable.
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Posted: 7/22/2018 9:28:07 PM EDT
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I have done more than 200 barrel installs (building a complete upper) using a Wheeler clamshell.
I have probably pulled 50 barrels this year with the Wheeler clamshell with no problem. I have damaged two 308 uppers using the Brownells barrel tool that is like the reaction rod. I now use a two piece vise block for large frame uppers. I have a DPMS claw type tool that I only use to install accessories. I use the reaction rod style tools to install and time muzzle devices/suppressor mounts. |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 9:34:07 PM EDT
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I'll add this here too. > https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Anybody-ever-seen-one-of-these-AR-Jig-/118-721634/?page=1 |
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Posted: 7/22/2018 11:18:44 PM EDT
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Thanks, much appreciated! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll add this here too. > https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/Anybody-ever-seen-one-of-these-AR-Jig-/118-721634/?page=1 
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:31:53 AM EDT
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I've seen it. If they made it so that it also engaged the barrel extension it would be unbeatable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 7/23/2018 9:59:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then it wouldn’t work with 9mm uppers. That’s what’s so great about this vise block, it works with everything. Billet, forged, 9mm, wildcat calibers with different lug patterns, I can’t think of an AR upper it wouldn’t work with. I guess they could offer a separate internal support plug with the barrel extension engagement feature to work with standard barrel extensions. |
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Posted: 7/23/2018 8:50:23 PM EDT
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My first one was a clam shell type and it was a pain to keep from messing up my Cerakote finish. I switched to a no mar Plastix Rcolution and haven't looked back.
Plastix Revolution link |
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Posted: 7/25/2018 7:58:58 PM EDT
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My first one was a clam shell type and it was a pain to keep from messing up my Cerakote finish. I switched to a no mar Plastix Rcolution and haven't looked back. Plastix Revolution link Going forward I'd love, some day, to own a reaction rod type tool also. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 4:39:13 PM EDT
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I started out with a pair of generic upper clamshells, then moved on to a BEV Block when I need to barrel some odd shaped billet uppers.
My borhter has a VHS tape from Quality Parts / Bushmaster where the builder used barrel vise blocks in combination with an upper clamshell to keep the front sight from canting. |
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Posted: 7/26/2018 5:17:12 PM EDT
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another vote for the Wheeler Delta setup
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Posted: 7/26/2018 7:51:50 PM EDT
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I started out with a pair of generic upper clamshells, then moved on to a BEV Block when I need to barrel some odd shaped billet uppers. My borhter has a VHS tape from Quality Parts / Bushmaster where the builder used barrel vise blocks in combination with an upper clamshell to keep the front sight from canting. Unless there's a different old Bushmaster VHS tape out there. |
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