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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:00:02 PM EST
Hello y'all. I'm still trying to decide which optic to go with on my general purpose carbine. I'm split between a Vortex Gen III 1-10 MRAD vs the Kahles K16i with the 3gr reticle. Whichever one I get will be mounted on a 1.93 mount and there will be an offset red dot on it.
Rifle that it's going on is a hodge 14.5 barrel p/w with surefire warcomp, and spine lock rail with an lmt e-bolt, so durability and longevity of the optic is a requirement. Not really interested in the atacr as the opacity of the reticle doesn't do it for me. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 4:56:31 PM EST
Those are two very, very different scopes/reticles.
If you're planning on more long range stuff, razor. Closer in, Khales |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:01:48 PM EST
I would get the Razor.
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:04:33 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: Those are two very, very different scopes/reticles. If you're planning on more long range stuff, razor. Closer in, Khales Max distance I would use this rifle for is about 400-500 yards |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:16:08 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By azindude: I'm just having a hard time deciding if a 1-10x razor would be excessive for the gun I'm putting it on. Cost wise they're about the same, but would it be better for a lighter weight lpvo, or a more versatile optic for more weight? Max distance I would use this rifle for is about 400-500 yards I'm the opposite of you-i went with a nightforce-i prefer the reticle much much more for close engagements than the razor 1-10. Longer ranges im using the stadia lines so the transparency of the razor reticle has no practical carry over. You'll have to decide if you want something better for closer (khales) or more geared toward longer (razor) If you spend most your time running cqb drills I'd personally take the Khales for the reticle. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:21:19 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By azindude: lighter weight lpvo or a more versatile optic for more weight? Max distance I would use this rifle for is about 400-500 yards I'd go Kahles if you want a lighter weight and 4-500 yards will be the max range. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:33:35 PM EST
The K16i is hard to beat on 1x and the glass is awesome.
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:45:47 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: I'm the opposite of you-i went with a nightforce-i prefer the reticle much much more for close engagements than the razor 1-10. Longer ranges im using the stadia lines so the transparency of the razor reticle has no practical carry over. You'll have to decide if you want something better for closer (khales) or more geared toward longer (razor) If you spend most your time running cqb drills I'd personally take the Khales for the reticle. I'm more worried about capabilities with being able to PID at 300yards at a minimum, maybe more. But I also don't want to unnecessarily add weight for more magnification. |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 5:46:15 PM EST
10X will get you to 500. Here is a KYL setup at 545 yards looking through a 10X Leupold mildot
 Attached FileTargets are 8, 6, 5, 4, and 3" |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 6:19:32 PM EST
If you do not need illumination I would check out the discontinued Nikon scopes still on the market. I just purchased two of the Nikon M-Tactical 1-4x24 Matte Mk1-MOA LVPO. Really nice but basic for the price.
Eurooptic.com Nikon M-TACTICAL 1-4x24 Matte Mk1-MOA |
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Posted: 1/13/2021 7:17:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 7:18:15 PM EST by azindude]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hydra-shokz: The K16i is hard to beat on 1x and the glass is awesome. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 7:28:32 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By azindude: Is there any merit to the claims about worse chromatic aberration on the k16i vs other lpvos in its price range. It had the worst CA I've seen other than the NXS 1-4's. That said, none of that would prevent me from hitting what I was aiming at. I wouldn't worry about CA being "a real issue", more of a cosmetic one that you can nitpick over, on the K16i. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 7:45:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By azindude: durability and longevity of the optic is a requirement. Trijicon 1-8 VCOG |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2021 8:15:09 AM EST
Vortex Razors are tanks, don't forget to take that weight into account. If I was in your shoes I would be very tempted to go with the NF 1-8 since you are going to be using an offset dot anyway. It will benefit from the extra 2X magnification vs the Khales and it will be 4 oz lighter than the Razor 1-10 and more compact.
Razor 1-10 would probably be my pick if I was looking for a single optic to do everything in that price range though. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:14:58 AM EST
NX8
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:54:50 AM EST
I have an ATACR 1-8x on a 14.5" gun, and like it. The FC-DM doesn't hold it back at all.
Between your two options, though, the K16i would be my choice. I prefer the short-range advantages it would offer over the mid-long range of the 1-10x. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:22:42 AM EST
If you're already going to offset a dot then get the better long-range scope -- Razor 1-10x.
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USA
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Posted: 1/14/2021 11:03:51 AM EST
If going with an offset, why not go for a 2-10 which will be immensely better at 10x than a 24 or 30mm objective LPVO?
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:07:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/14/2021 1:08:01 PM EST by phlegm]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phlegm: I have an ATACR 1-8x on a 14.5" gun, and like it. The FC-DM doesn't hold it back at all. Between your two options, though, the K16i would be my choice. I prefer the short-range advantages it would offer over the mid-long range of the 1-10x. https://www.nightforceoptics.com/technology/reticles/fc-dmx  |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:33:15 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By olds442tyguy: If going with an offset, why not go for a 2-10 which will be immensely better at 10x than a 24 or 30mm objective LPVO? the offset is mostly for a quick transition if I have any mag dialed on the lpvo, work under nods passively, or if I need to dig a corner and bring my rifle up. Offset optic is gonna be a T2. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:44:40 PM EST
I’d get the Kahles but with the SM1 reticule.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:56:56 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By AKSU: I'd get the Kahles but with the SM1 reticule. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:22:25 PM EST
The ATACR just got a new reticle...
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:35:41 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By azindude: I'm just having a hard time deciding if a 1-10x razor would be excessive for the gun I'm putting it on. Cost wise they're about the same, but would it be better for a lighter weight lpvo, or a more versatile optic for more weight? Max distance I would use this rifle for is about 400-500 yards My vote is Kahles for this purpose. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:36:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/14/2021 2:37:48 PM EST by bates]
so I've got a similar build already set up
Mine is a Kac 16inch cut down to 14.5 with pinned surefire I bought a kahles for it a long time ago, k1-6 with the discontinued SM2 reticle In general I prefer a mil based reticle and don't get lost with it. Just have to take the time to memorize the reticle and practice with it. Used to run a vortex 1-6 w/ the jm-1 bdc mine is in a 1.70 mount with an offset ACRO and i am super happy with it it was in a 1.93 and i prefer the 1.70 mount height I looked at the new 1-10 Vortex and overall for my uses this primarily set up for up close to a few hundred yards out, so the lighter weight and great kahles glass keeps it on my rifle But if I can ever source a hodge lower, upper, rail and other accessories to finish my 12.5 build then more than likely the K1-6 setup will go on that gun and i would put a 1-10 on the 14.5 as i would be in the market for a new optic but over for what you are saying i would go k1-6 |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:47:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/14/2021 3:04:15 PM EST by azindude]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoody2shoez: The ATACR just got a new reticle... |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2021 8:20:19 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By phlegm: Looks like the ATACR could be back in the game, if you like the new reticle that just came out: https://www.nightforceoptics.com/technology/reticles/fc-dmx https://www.nightforceoptics.com/fileadmin/_processed_/a/b/csm_NF_FC-DMx_449422b3b8.png If Nightforce put this reticle in the NX8... Grand Slam Home Run baby!!  |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 1/15/2021 11:24:31 AM EST
Either scope will take you to the effective range of a 14.5" barrel and beyond.
Select the reticle you like and go with that. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 12:47:50 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Sniper3142: If Nightforce put this reticle in the NX8... Grand Slam Home Run baby!! Pass on the tight eyebox in the NX8. I’ll still take the Kahles. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 8:30:28 PM EST
I'm waiting for reviews on the March 1-10 Shorty. Same size and weight of NX8 but adjustable parallax, 1-10, and dual focal plane reticle.
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Posted: 1/27/2021 7:30:01 PM EST
I just thought of this, but would any of y'all change your answer if the upper was going to be shot with a socom rc2 95% of the time. Makes me think the carbine would handle more like a mini-recce even with just a hand stop, Modlite and mawl on the handguard.
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Posted: 1/29/2021 9:17:24 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By azindude: I just thought of this, but would any of y'all change your answer if the upper was going to be shot with a socom rc2 95% of the time. Makes me think the carbine would handle more like a mini-recce even with just a hand stop, Modlite and mawl on the handguard. I think it just means your rifle is gonna be heavy regardless. So you can either say ok fuck it it'll just be heavy or you can try to save weight with the optic. NX8 would be small and light but picky about head position -- K16i is same weight but larger, but easier to use. Any Vortex option will be big and heavy. It's hard to tell you your preference lol. |
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