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Posted: 11/8/2017 2:38:44 PM EDT
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The BH 50 TSX is going to be hard to beat since they beefed up the petals just a bit expressly for barrier performance.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 2:45:37 PM EDT
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TSX
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Posted: 11/8/2017 2:50:47 PM EDT
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The BH 50 TSX is going to be hard to beat since they beefed up the petals just a bit expressly for barrier performance. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 2:56:39 PM EDT
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Depends a bit on the barrier but I've always liked 62gr Fusion MSR. All three flavors of Gold Dots do a decent job as well.
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Posted: 11/8/2017 2:57:59 PM EDT
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The BH 50 TSX is going to be hard to beat since they beefed up the petals just a bit expressly for barrier performance. 855a1 is not generally available to civi's is it? that takes it off the table. hornady gmx would be about the same as tsx, cheaper at $1/round and pretty available. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 3:09:59 PM EDT
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Depends a bit on the barrier but I've always liked 62gr Fusion MSR. All three flavors of Gold Dots do a decent job as well. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 3:14:38 PM EDT
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BlueFalcon did a test with some 75g Gold Dots out of an 11.5" through a windshield:
 Speer 75gr Gold Dot Ammunition |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 3:25:34 PM EDT
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BlueFalcon did a test with some 75g Gold Dots out of an 11.5" through a windshield:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lkI36eUoy4good to see speer got this bullet moving for a 75gr'er |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 3:33:15 PM EDT
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and that was my question in the mk318 thread....will fusion msr do a job on auto glass? building walls are not my concern from a truck gun in peace time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Depends a bit on the barrier but I've always liked 62gr Fusion MSR. All three flavors of Gold Dots do a decent job as well. |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 3:35:08 PM EDT
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...but damn that shit is expensive. personally i'd rather have mk318 at .70/round and get a 2:1 stock. plus the added bonus to 318 is the explosive tip. 855a1 is not generally available to civi's is it? that takes it off the table. hornady gmx would be about the same as tsx, cheaper at $1/round and pretty available. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The BH 50 TSX is going to be hard to beat since they beefed up the petals just a bit expressly for barrier performance. 855a1 is not generally available to civi's is it? that takes it off the table. hornady gmx would be about the same as tsx, cheaper at $1/round and pretty available. Currently I have .223 75gr Gold Dots but I wish they were in 5.56 ... I am being cheated! Ha |
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Posted: 11/8/2017 4:05:09 PM EDT
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Just found this ... not all on autoglass but some.
http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/ar-15-rifle-ballistic-gel-testing-results-best-choices-for-a-defensive-rifle-round With autoglass Id rather have 24in than 7in or even 11in |
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Posted: 11/9/2017 9:10:47 AM EDT
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Since its copper and thus longer than a lead bullet should it stabilize fine in my 1:7? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The BH 50 TSX is going to be hard to beat since they beefed up the petals just a bit expressly for barrier performance. |
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Posted: 11/9/2017 9:29:56 AM EDT
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How about Federal XM556FBIT3 and Winchester RA556B?
Dr. Roberts: "The best LE 5.56 mm/.223 loads for intermediate barrier penetration using 1/9 and faster twist barrels are the 5.56 mm Federal 62 gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw (TBBC) bonded JSP (XM556FBIT3) and 5.56 mm Winchester 64 gr solid base bonded JSP (Q3313/RA556B) developed for the FBI, along with the outstanding new Black Hills 5.56 mm 50 gr TSX loading." |
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Posted: 11/9/2017 10:23:08 AM EDT
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How about Federal XM556FBIT3 and Winchester RA556B? Dr. Roberts: "The best LE 5.56 mm/.223 loads for intermediate barrier penetration using 1/9 and faster twist barrels are the 5.56 mm Federal 62 gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw (TBBC) bonded JSP (XM556FBIT3) and 5.56 mm Winchester 64 gr solid base bonded JSP (Q3313/RA556B) developed for the FBI, along with the outstanding new Black Hills 5.56 mm 50 gr TSX loading."  Best AR Ammo Pt 6 - Federal XM556FBIT3 Buffman did a velocity test on this round (actually a box of factory seconds) using 10, 16 and 20" barrels which produced numbers that are not consistent with a 5.56 mm NATO round but is more like a .223 loading. I would definitely like to see more tests on this round, especially with an SBR (10.5" or 11.5"). It would be good to know if the slower velocities out of an SBR causes either barrier issues or issues with proper expansion. This round may not be the most ideal out of an SBR. |
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Posted: 11/9/2017 5:18:26 PM EDT
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Absolutely. The 50 gr TSX is short enough that it’ll stabilize in slower barrels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The BH 50 TSX is going to be hard to beat since they beefed up the petals just a bit expressly for barrier performance. |
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Posted: 11/9/2017 5:28:27 PM EDT
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1:7 is faster not slower though....? 
The lower the number the "faster" the bullet twists. |
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Posted: 11/9/2017 7:32:59 PM EDT
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Yes, like a golf score.
The lower the number the "faster" the bullet twists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1:7 is faster not slower though....?
The lower the number the "faster" the bullet twists. |
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Posted: 11/9/2017 7:48:32 PM EDT
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Ibfound some tests with 52-55gr Molon posted on Glock Talk. Seems i am fine to shoot 50gr tsx just maybe crappy fmj might not be great. Id guess 50gr tsx is at least as long as a 55gr lead core bullet.
Molon being Alpha I know I need to test I just didnt want to spend $$ on a box if it would probably not stabilize 8n my barrel :) |
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Posted: 11/9/2017 8:05:31 PM EDT
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How about Federal XM556FBIT3 and Winchester RA556B? Dr. Roberts: "The best LE 5.56 mm/.223 loads for intermediate barrier penetration using 1/9 and faster twist barrels are the 5.56 mm Federal 62 gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw (TBBC) bonded JSP (XM556FBIT3) and 5.56 mm Winchester 64 gr solid base bonded JSP (Q3313/RA556B) developed for the FBI, along with the outstanding new Black Hills 5.56 mm 50 gr TSX loading." |
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Posted: 11/9/2017 11:45:26 PM EDT
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The only test on video I have seen was done by Gun Runnerz in 2015 for the XM556FBIT3 out of a Mini-14 (18" barrel), bare gel, through car door and through drywall. He claimed at that time that this round maybe the best he has tested, but very difficult to find. It performed impressively in his test for sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSQiM67Yq54
Buffman did a velocity test on this round (actually a box of factory seconds) using 10, 16 and 20" barrels which produced numbers that are not consistent with a 5.56 mm NATO round but is more like a .223 loading. I would definitely like to see more tests on this round, especially with an SBR (10.5" or 11.5"). It would be good to know if the slower velocities out of an SBR causes either barrier issues or issues with proper expansion. This round may not be the most ideal out of an SBR. |
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Posted: 11/10/2017 12:09:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/10/2017 2:07:54 PM EDT
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Depends a bit on the barrier but I've always liked 62gr Fusion MSR. All three flavors of Gold Dots do a decent job as well. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 12:14:46 AM EDT
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A lot of good rounds here. I think my trunk gun selection in 5.56 will be black hills 50gr TSX.
Gunrunnerz 50gr TSX Windshield and Steel test It would be interesting to test the rounds mentioned with 3 and 4 plates of steel instead of 2. I remember when they did that with handguns Corbon 115gr DPX was the only one to go through. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 2:22:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThis is great ammo at a great price!
I only stocked up on Fusion, as it was the only widely available BB load at the time. I do want to point out, however, that due to the large amount of lead exposed in the FBI load that, IIRC, DocGKR or Molon, said to keep an eye out for lead build up on the feedramps. Let me see if I can find that info. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 2:27:09 PM EDT
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Surprised to only see one mention of Speer Gold Dot.
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Posted: 11/11/2017 2:44:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/11/2017 3:37:16 PM EDT
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Oh, look, Mr. Fancy pants and his cool ass ammo!
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Posted: 11/11/2017 4:58:22 PM EDT
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Surprised to only see one mention of Speer Gold Dot. But as I have a Colt 6920 I want to use 5.56 if I can, and as I'm using the AR as my trunk gun I think the solid copper has an edge on vehicle windshields and doors. The Gold Dot and Federal Tactical are probably a better fit for most LE (and they are also good on barriers). I currently have 75gr Gold Dots and will keep them for a bit until I am ready to transition. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 4:58:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/11/2017 7:32:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/11/2017 7:34:20 PM EDT
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I've seen quite a few tests with it, it's a very excellent round. Here's a nice comparison test http://www.le.vistaoutdoor.com/wound_ballistics/load_comparison/load_comparison.aspx But as I have a Colt 6920 I want to use 5.56 if I can, and as I'm using the AR as my trunk gun I think the solid copper has an edge on vehicle windshields and doors. The Gold Dot and Federal Tactical are probably a better fit for most LE (and they are also good on barriers). I currently have 75gr Gold Dots and will keep them for a bit until I am ready to transition. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 8:46:42 PM EDT
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All my ARs are 5.56 as well. Do you just prefer the additional pressure and velocity? What you looking to transition into? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've seen quite a few tests with it, it's a very excellent round. Here's a nice comparison test http://www.le.vistaoutdoor.com/wound_ballistics/load_comparison/load_comparison.aspx But as I have a Colt 6920 I want to use 5.56 if I can, and as I'm using the AR as my trunk gun I think the solid copper has an edge on vehicle windshields and doors. The Gold Dot and Federal Tactical are probably a better fit for most LE (and they are also good on barriers). I currently have 75gr Gold Dots and will keep them for a bit until I am ready to transition. Im going to transition to 50gr TSX |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 9:32:29 PM EDT
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I got some 855A1 lying around, sounds like I need to add it to the trunk gun load out.
And if any of you all want some, you know what to do. |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 10:34:03 PM EDT
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I got some 855A1 lying around, sounds like I need to add it to the trunk gun load out. And if any of you all want some, you know what to do. Thought crooked Hillary was gonna win :( |
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Posted: 11/11/2017 10:38:12 PM EDT
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Yeah I just want the additional velocity if I can have it. Im going to transition to 50gr TSX I think it does just fine with .223 pressures using it in a 14.5"+ barrel. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 3:30:54 AM EDT
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I find myself wishing that GD had 5.56 pressures too, but to me its not worth it for double the cost. I think it does just fine with .223 pressures using it in a 14.5"+ barrel. As its twice the cost thats definitely something to think about... |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 3:40:01 AM EDT
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I have over 5k already. Thought crooked Hillary was gonna win :( Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I got some 855A1 lying around, sounds like I need to add it to the trunk gun load out. And if any of you all want some, you know what to do. Thought crooked Hillary was gonna win :( |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 2:34:50 PM EDT
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So where does one pick up 5k of M855A1? Inquiring minds want to know, or was this a typo meant for M855? Was on sale same price as FMJ. |
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Posted: 11/12/2017 8:29:19 PM EDT
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Federal LE 233 T3
62 grain bonded bullet I carry that and A1 |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 12:42:59 PM EDT
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re; M855A1
is if fact or fiction that the bullet tips destroys feed ramps? |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 2:34:28 PM EDT
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re; M855A1 is if fact or fiction that the bullet tips destroys feed ramps? |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 3:32:18 PM EDT
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Depends on the magazines you use and how many rounds your shooting. and how many rounds are we talking about here? from your comment, i would assume a steady diet of 855a1 would wear out the barrel extension before the bullets wear out the rifling. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 3:38:36 PM EDT
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It's normally the aluminum feed ramps on the M4's that get eaten up. My understanding is it normally takes several thousand rounds through regular mags. Use Gen 3 Pmags and they feed at a higher angle, the steel doesn't hit the aluminum ramps and you get no extra wear.
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Posted: 11/13/2017 5:01:17 PM EDT
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ah, so its the aluminum receiver cuts that get chewed up, not the actual barrel extension, that makes sense.
interesting about the pmags and the feed angle, never knew that about them. i have been happy with their performance on the gen 2/3's now that they fixed the plastic issue and the flexing thing. now i know why! thanks for all your knowledge. |
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Posted: 11/13/2017 5:06:47 PM EDT
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Glad I could help.
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Posted: 11/14/2017 4:19:47 PM EDT
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Can I get a PM with a source for some m855a1? Please and thanks. lol.
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Posted: 11/14/2017 4:24:06 PM EDT
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Can I get a PM with a source for some m855a1? Please and thanks. lol. 
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Posted: 11/14/2017 4:46:31 PM EDT
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I would not feel undergunned with any of the bullets from the recommended list. If DocGKR has proclaimed them GTG, then don't sweat the minutiae.
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Posted: 11/14/2017 4:55:34 PM EDT
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Fusion/GD all the way.
That being said, having the training and skills to accurately put rounds on target is more important than having the best round. Not saying that you or anyone reading this doesn't, it's just an important reminder. |
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Posted: 11/14/2017 8:39:31 PM EDT
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This ^^^^^^
Wolf Gold is a good “Go-To” around here (and decently cheap too). Get accurate, get fast and get lethal. Practice practice practice. |
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