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Posted: 6/24/2022 5:22:07 AM EDT
[#1]
Never been dun here.
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Posted: 6/24/2022 6:17:04 AM EDT
[#2]
DelTon
PSA |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 6:20:03 AM EDT
[#3]
Anderson aka the pony of death
Don’t worry OP, there’s a chart |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 7:19:00 AM EDT
[#4]
Top tier? Go to your local mall and see how the operators are strapped.
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Posted: 6/24/2022 7:55:57 AM EDT
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I use Tier 1 tools and techniques to cobble together the parts I bought on the EE
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Posted: 6/24/2022 9:17:31 AM EDT
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Anyone that I shoot well.
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Posted: 6/24/2022 9:38:28 AM EDT
[#7]
Top tier is any AR that goes bang 100% of the time with any ammo that will fit in its magazine.
The list is long and many are quite affordable. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 9:44:44 AM EDT
[#8]
KAC thread
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Posted: 6/24/2022 10:04:28 AM EDT
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These threads 100% of the time turn into a fanboi passing match. Then someone else chimes in from the sideline to ask about *insert brand* because he's worried he spent money on the wrong label. Meanwhile, certain blowhards are spamming the thread with tales of *insert kac/larue/geiselle* always failing at every event they have ever been to, while the Colt nuts sit back and say "shouldagottacolt"
I think that sums it up. Buy whatever you want OP. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 10:14:27 AM EDT
[#10]
I own a bunch of ARs each and every one was assembled from parts, by me.
I am tier one. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 10:44:54 AM EDT
[#11]
JP
Knights Radian |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 10:48:51 AM EDT
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I agree with many here. I buy the parts I want and put them together the way I want them. I think tier 1 parts could be a consistency in quality. Example; WOA barrels. However buying a tier 3 barrel does not mean it won't shoot as good as a tier 1, it is just more likely to. My Geissele assembled URGI shoots great but my Spikes 14.5 optimal barrel upper assembled by me shoots even better.
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Posted: 6/24/2022 11:05:33 AM EDT
[#13]
Here we go again.
Everyone has their own opinion, so when you throw a couple thousand opinions out there you pretty much have every covered. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 11:06:14 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anderson aka the pony of death Don’t worry OP, there’s a chart Be sure to look out for parkerizing under the FSB. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 11:09:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I own a bunch of ARs each and every one was assembled from parts, by me. I am tier one. I operate the weapons, not the other way around. Brands don't give you skillz. I'm probably more like T2 but I am a first responder, so I'm likely to be the best operator there. 
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Posted: 6/24/2022 11:31:27 AM EDT
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What is a God/operator?
What is a tier? What is a fanboy? |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 11:50:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use Tier 1 tools and techniques to cobble together the parts I bought on the EE I have to agree with this. Not many factory rifles genuinely interest me with the exception of a KAC SR15 but I'm not to the point where I can justify dropping $2500+ on an AR15 when I can build a nice one with a tier 1 barrel and put a good optic on it for that. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 12:35:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use Tier 1 tools and techniques to cobble together the parts I bought on the EE And at this rate a decent investment in tools and knowledge has yielded me better results than what I am seeing from some of these "high end" companies regarding QC. Anyone can access the TDP and get accurate numbers for gauging and checking parts over. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 12:56:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  These threads 100% of the time turn into a fanboi passing match. Then someone else chimes in from the sideline to ask about *insert brand* because he's worried he spent money on the wrong label. Meanwhile, certain blowhards are spamming the thread with tales of *insert kac/larue/geiselle* always failing at every event they have ever been to, while the Colt nuts sit back and say "shouldagottacolt" I think that sums it up. Buy whatever you want OP. Damn @turp_dog how many times do I need to correct your grammar, it is fanboi PISSING MATCH… Agree with what turp_dog said….he hit the primer on center. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 1:03:08 PM EDT
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Any rifle that was used to earn the President’s Tab under the administration of President Donald Trump.
/end. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 1:11:38 PM EDT
[#21]
Cue the “Awe jeez not this again” meme!
 Whatever rifle effectively kills ANTIFA and other terrorists! How’s that? 
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Posted: 6/24/2022 1:25:15 PM EDT
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From what I can see, people in this country with operator in their job title who carry 5.56 guns use:
Noveske Daniel Defense/Geissele Sig Sauer FN Colt FWIW my preference would be BCM lightweight uppers, LMT MARS lowers, Radian controls and Larue triggers (I guess Geissele or LMT triggers if I’m spending someone else’s money). But my career has nothing to do with gunfighting. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 2:25:04 PM EDT
[#23]
Sig MCX
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Posted: 6/24/2022 3:12:05 PM EDT
[#24]
There multiple threads on what actual operators use, I’d start there…
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Posted: 6/24/2022 3:49:47 PM EDT
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JFC
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Posted: 6/24/2022 4:10:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I own a bunch of ARs each and every one was assembled from parts, by me. I am tier one. What Britt-dog said. Mine: PF barrel BCM upper Midwest Industry hand guard Larue fcg Magpul stock and grip 80%lower that I milled myself Lots of ammo.
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Posted: 6/24/2022 4:15:03 PM EDT
[#27]
Pretty sure God Tier is a flaming sword.
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Posted: 6/24/2022 5:57:35 PM EDT
[#28]
You can save yourself the time and arguing by looking at the last ten times this has been posted.
/thread |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 8:22:00 PM EDT
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God Tier:
Reliable and reasonably appropriate broomstick pointed by a highly trained individual. If your poverty pony goes boom every time, you are the weakest link. TRAIN. ETA: time is running out for this shit. |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 8:33:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JP Knights Radian This |
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Posted: 6/24/2022 8:57:08 PM EDT
[#31]
Didn't that Tanto guy in 13 hours use a Bushmaster?
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Posted: 6/24/2022 9:11:37 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't that Tanto guy in 13 hours use a Bushmaster? For some reason, most overseas contractors used Bushmasters. I don’t know why, but most of the big contract companies and even some government agencies had contracts with Bushmaster for “M4s” (XM-15s or something similar IIRC). |
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Posted: 6/25/2022 6:05:29 AM EDT
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The answer is posted everywhere. But I wouldn't put Geissele on the list. I might get shit for it, but they cut corners and inflate the prices of their rifle (see the thread where we talk about how they use black oxide to coat their barrels to save money on treatment)
- JP - Wilson Combat - KAC - LMT - SOLGW - Q - Hodge - Radian - PWS - POF - V7 Noveske and Daniel Defense are pretty high up there as well, but I personally think they're kind of overrated, especially the several years of Noveske. Despite what peeps may tell you, innovation is important, so I'm partial to companies like Q, PWS, POF, LMT, LWRC, and V7. Some of the brands on the above list fail to modernize their years old designs but they're still good. Obviously, these are my opinions and will differ from others. A lot of my list will also show up on others lists. |
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Posted: 6/25/2022 6:10:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For some reason, most overseas contractors used Bushmasters. I don’t know why, but most of the big contract companies and even some government agencies had contracts with Bushmaster for “M4s” (XM-15s or something similar IIRC). XM15 E2S 
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Posted: 6/25/2022 8:14:06 AM EDT
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Why does Hodge keep getting thrown in here?
I ditched my Hodge barrel that I got because everyone was raving about them and went to a Noveske. The handguard was a work of art but other companies have the same thing. Had to return the Hodge BCG I got too. Their stuff is nice but I just don’t see how it’s getting compared to KAC, LMT, etc. |
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Posted: 6/25/2022 8:21:37 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't that Tanto guy in 13 hours use a Bushmaster? Once upon a time the ABC's of top AR's was Armalite, Bushmaster, and Colt. Some product's quality changes over time. Other companies also come along and raise the bar regarding what is considered a "grail" gun. |
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Posted: 6/25/2022 9:44:39 AM EDT
[#37]
cool thread op.
i got a lower rec spring kit from CMMG inbound. didn't see them mentioned, so fingers crossed!!! |
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Posted: 6/25/2022 10:48:44 AM EDT
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If reliability is the driver here, in my collection, I have never had any issues with the exception of my Larue rifles (OBR's only) to cycle suppressed. But the issue was resolved with buffer weight tweaking.
I have the following in my collection: KAC LMT DD Larue PWS ADM PSA If I had to pick one brand to keep and use the lable that the OP is using, I would say my LMT's....The KAC's are rock solid and my Larue UU rifle is outstanding....no issues like what I had with the Larue OBR's Two rifle brands that I feel fly below the radar here are PWS and ADM. I am very impressed with these and the ADM for the money is an outsanding buy for a full ambi rifle |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 2:18:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The answer is posted everywhere. But I wouldn't put Geissele on the list. I might get shit for it, but they cut corners and inflate the prices of their rifle (see the thread where we talk about how they use black oxide to coat their barrels to save money on treatment) - JP - Wilson Combat - KAC - LMT - SOLGW - Q - Hodge - Radian - PWS - POF - V7 Noveske and Daniel Defense are pretty high up there as well, but I personally think they're kind of overrated, especially the several years of Noveske. Despite what peeps may tell you, innovation is important, so I'm partial to companies like Q, PWS, POF, LMT, LWRC, and V7. Some of the brands on the above list fail to modernize their years old designs but they're still good. Obviously, these are my opinions and will differ from others. A lot of my list will also show up on others lists. Dismisses Geissele but included sons of liberty gun assemblers. lol. |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 2:32:14 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dismisses Geissele but included sons of liberty gun assemblers. lol. Lol, the marketing got you good eh? Doesn’t matter to me if the rollmark matches the ownership of the cnc machines. There is something to be said for time tested formula of building a rifle that’s been proven vs. fancy sum of the parts nonsense that’s focused on getting boners on instagram from excessive CAD focused designs and paint colors. I’d take a non modified colt/bcm/lmt/kac/solgw straight from the factory over a Geissele, Radian, V7, Hodge any day |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 2:41:02 PM EDT
[#41]
The latest, greatest fanboi brand with the most expensive shit hanging all over it.
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Posted: 6/26/2022 9:30:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Factory AA Import Galil ARM 16"
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Posted: 6/26/2022 9:31:18 PM EDT
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Are we going to shoot the rifles or just post pictures on Instagram? That could change the outcome.
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Posted: 6/26/2022 11:17:42 PM EDT
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I don’t believe I seen Centurion mentioned at all here.
No glitter, but solid. |
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Posted: 6/26/2022 11:25:17 PM EDT
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Colt 6921….
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Posted: 6/26/2022 11:44:33 PM EDT
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i have a report with my county sherrif showing i took out 2 pit bulls with a sig p239. 2 separate occasions. both dogs i emptied the mag. 2nd dog was months after the first and meaner than the first. both were owned by the same next door neighbor drug dealer.
first dog almost ate my ex fiancees boy but he got in the suv just in time and when i came around the rear right corner dog took all 145gr russian silver bear hollow points by time it had hit the ground after lunging at my face. 2nd dog took same rounds from same gun at same distance about 1 and 2 feet away and it ran like hell after taking on at least 2 rounds flipping and running as i pommeled it some more. it went down with my last shots at a distance of about 12 yards hit in spine. i cant endorse single stack 9mm mags but it fit my hand and was my go to at the time so i used what i had when the need arose. 15rd should be the bare minimum legal requirement for any state that has loose pit bulls running free. both dogs snapped and ran off their porch up to the end of our porch where suv parked across our yard thats open connected. both times the dogs were sitting on their porch 80 yards away when their owner wasnt home and kid ran to truck too fast or i did. |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 5:36:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i have a report with my county sherrif showing i took out 2 pit bulls with a sig p239. 2 separate occasions. both dogs i emptied the mag. 2nd dog was months after the first and meaner than the first. both were owned by the same next door neighbor drug dealer. first dog almost ate my ex fiancees boy but he got in the suv just in time and when i came around the rear right corner dog took all 145gr russian silver bear hollow points by time it had hit the ground after lunging at my face. 2nd dog took same rounds from same gun at same distance about 1 and 2 feet away and it ran like hell after taking on at least 2 rounds flipping and running as i pommeled it some more. it went down with my last shots at a distance of about 12 yards hit in spine. i cant endorse single stack 9mm mags but it fit my hand and was my go to at the time so i used what i had when the need arose. 15rd should be the bare minimum legal requirement for any state that has loose pit bulls running free. both dogs snapped and ran off their porch up to the end of our porch where suv parked across our yard thats open connected. both times the dogs were sitting on their porch 80 yards away when their owner wasnt home and kid ran to truck too fast or i did. Obviously, wrong thread. 
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Posted: 6/27/2022 5:39:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obviously, wrong thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: i have a report with my county sherrif showing i took out 2 pit bulls with a sig p239. 2 separate occasions. both dogs i emptied the mag. 2nd dog was months after the first and meaner than the first. both were owned by the same next door neighbor drug dealer. first dog almost ate my ex fiancees boy but he got in the suv just in time and when i came around the rear right corner dog took all 145gr russian silver bear hollow points by time it had hit the ground after lunging at my face. 2nd dog took same rounds from same gun at same distance about 1 and 2 feet away and it ran like hell after taking on at least 2 rounds flipping and running as i pommeled it some more. it went down with my last shots at a distance of about 12 yards hit in spine. i cant endorse single stack 9mm mags but it fit my hand and was my go to at the time so i used what i had when the need arose. 15rd should be the bare minimum legal requirement for any state that has loose pit bulls running free. both dogs snapped and ran off their porch up to the end of our porch where suv parked across our yard thats open connected. both times the dogs were sitting on their porch 80 yards away when their owner wasnt home and kid ran to truck too fast or i did. Obviously, wrong thread. I was thinking the same thing, but it is 430 in the morning, so I thought I was still sleeping
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Posted: 6/27/2022 7:37:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, the marketing got you good eh? Doesn’t matter to me if the rollmark matches the ownership of the cnc machines. There is something to be said for time tested formula of building a rifle that’s been proven vs. fancy sum of the parts nonsense that’s focused on getting boners on instagram from excessive CAD focused designs and paint colors. I’d take a non modified colt/bcm/lmt/kac/solgw straight from the factory over a Geissele, Radian, V7, Hodge any day I’m pretty sure G parts have been used to shoot more terrorists in the face for a lot longer than SOLGW, so yeah, I’d trust a G rifle more. G triggers, rails, CH, are widely considered the best out there, so it’s not all that much of a stretch to assume the REBCG and barrels would be quality as well. |
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Posted: 6/27/2022 10:09:46 AM EDT
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KAC
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