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Posted: 2/14/2020 8:45:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: by the way, for the guys that had the 6x version, were you wishing for a 10x version? Only asking out of curiosity. Now I want one. |
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Posted: 2/14/2020 8:50:50 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No. But I didn't expect that they could deliver a 1-10x at the same weight, with a better reticle, with the same 1x performance, same quality of illumination, and same kind of optical performance across the magnification range. Now I want one. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 8:22:31 AM EDT
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I'll second that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No. But I didn't expect that they could deliver a 1-10x at the same weight, with a better reticle, with the same 1x performance, same quality of illumination, and same kind of optical performance across the magnification range. Now I want one. I love my 1X6 but there are times I want more magnification. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:17:20 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ll third that. I love my 1X6 but there are times I want more magnification. |
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Posted: 2/15/2020 10:26:03 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The PST Gen-ll 2-10x32 with piggyback rds was my favorite optic of all time, and the 10x spoiled me rotten with it's low 2x end I could use it close in no prolblemo sometimes. I sold my 1-6 after having this set-up but it was a frigging door stop at almost 27oz + rds. It's going to be tested here soon, may become my primary coyote and deer rifle. I like cerakote, debating on a winter-ish themed camo but can't come up with anything good 
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Posted: 2/18/2020 9:52:48 PM EDT
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I’ve handled one to couple of times now. I have a 1-6 and 3-18 (Gen 2’s). It’s definitely a LPVO that goes to 10x and has little in common with the 3-18 style. The MOA/BDC is awesome. To my eye the eye box is slightly better on the 1 to 6. But maybe that’s a function of the less cluttered reticle and slightly longer eye relief.(to my eye). That said the size and weight for what you are getting is nothing short of incredible. I’m not sure I would dump the 1-6 off my 14 1/2 inch gun but it is certainly a neat option and you give little up to gain 10x.
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Posted: 2/26/2020 7:23:07 PM EDT
[#7]
I got to check out a test and evaluation BDC model at Top Pack Defense in Sun Prairie, WI. Damn. It is just fantastic! I can’t wIt until mine arrives in April to Top Pack.
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Posted: 3/1/2020 5:55:58 PM EDT
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I looked through the 1-10x today. It's very nice. The glass and illumination are excellent. The reticle is great at 1x, but a little busy at 10x, although I don't think it would hamper performance in any way. The scope did not make the rifle feel top heavy or tippy. I'm guessing that's due to its shortness and what is likely fairly evenly distributed weight. I was thoroughly impressed.
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Posted: 3/3/2020 11:33:53 PM EDT
[#9]
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I got to check out a test and evaluation BDC model at Top Pack Defense in Sun Prairie, WI. Damn. It is just fantastic! I can’t wIt until mine arrives in April to Top Pack. |
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Posted: 3/4/2020 1:46:12 AM EDT
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Can someone confirm if the reticle is usable without illumination on 1X in a home defense situation? What about outside on a sunny day? I have never had a LPVO. I am used to more battery life with a red dot. With this optic being ffp I am wondering about not having time to turn the illumination on in a worst case scenario situation and being able to see the reticle. Is it usable or does it need the illumination in order to pick up the dot on 1X? Or 10X for that matter.
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Posted: 3/5/2020 6:55:02 AM EDT
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On 1x you will want the illumination ON. The reticle is so small it appears as a DOT....(maybe a 4moa dot..??). Without the illumination, it will appear as a small black dot.....not the easiest to pick up.
On 10x you can use the reticle as normal, with or without illumination. I'm not sure but the specs below way that it will last for 2.4 years on setting 6. Thats not Aimpoint long, but plenty long for me. SPECS: Magnification: 1-10x Focal Plane: First Focal Plane Illumination Settings: 11 Objective Lens Diameter: 24 mm Eye Relief: 3.6 inches Field of View: 116-11.7 ft @100 yds Tube Size: 34 mm Turret Style: Low Capped Adjustment Graduation: 0.25 MOA / 0.1 MRAD Travel Per Rotation: 25 MOA / 10 MRAD Max Elevation Adjustment: 120 MOA / 30 MRAD Max Windage Adjustment: 120 MOA / 30 MRAD Parallax Setting: Fixed @100 yds Length: 10.1 inches Weight: 21.5 ounces Battery Life: 2.4 years (constant on, setting 6) Battery: CR2032 |
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Posted: 3/5/2020 10:00:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
On 1x you will want the illumination ON. The reticle is so small it appears as a DOT....(maybe a 4moa dot..??). Without the illumination, it will appear as a small black dot.....not the easiest to pick up. On 10x you can use the reticle as normal, with or without illumination. I'm not sure but the specs below way that it will last for 2.4 years on setting 6. Thats not Aimpoint long, but plenty long for me. SPECS: Magnification: 1-10x Focal Plane: First Focal Plane Illumination Settings: 11 Objective Lens Diameter: 24 mm Eye Relief: 3.6 inches Field of View: 116-11.7 ft @100 yds Tube Size: 34 mm Turret Style: Low Capped Adjustment Graduation: 0.25 MOA / 0.1 MRAD Travel Per Rotation: 25 MOA / 10 MRAD Max Elevation Adjustment: 120 MOA / 30 MRAD Max Windage Adjustment: 120 MOA / 30 MRAD Parallax Setting: Fixed @100 yds Length: 10.1 inches Weight: 21.5 ounces Battery Life: 2.4 years (constant on, setting 6) Battery: CR2032 I was under the impression it was 240 hours. Which sucks. Basically you will have to turn it off and on like an Eotech and you will be changing lots of batteries. I think the 1-6 SFP makes more sense for a duty or all around optic because it can be used without illumination? |
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Posted: 3/5/2020 10:36:35 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
On 1x you will want the illumination ON. The reticle is so small it appears as a DOT....(maybe a 4moa dot..??). Without the illumination, it will appear as a small black dot.....not the easiest to pick up. On 10x you can use the reticle as normal, with or without illumination. I'm not sure but the specs below way that it will last for 2.4 years on setting 6. Thats not Aimpoint long, but plenty long for me. SPECS: Magnification: 1-10x Focal Plane: First Focal Plane Illumination Settings: 11 Objective Lens Diameter: 24 mm Eye Relief: 3.6 inches Field of View: 116-11.7 ft @100 yds Tube Size: 34 mm Turret Style: Low Capped Adjustment Graduation: 0.25 MOA / 0.1 MRAD Travel Per Rotation: 25 MOA / 10 MRAD Max Elevation Adjustment: 120 MOA / 30 MRAD Max Windage Adjustment: 120 MOA / 30 MRAD Parallax Setting: Fixed @100 yds Length: 10.1 inches Weight: 21.5 ounces Battery Life: 2.4 years (constant on, setting 6) Battery: CR2032 Battery life is also indeed closer to 240 hours on that setting. Is 2.4 years listed somewhere that it needs to be corrected? Just looked all over our product page on our website and didn't see that listed. Thanks |
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Posted: 3/6/2020 12:32:24 AM EDT
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The *Center* of the reticle is going to be quite small and appear as a dot on 1x without the illumination on - and yes, the illumination absolutely helps reticle acquisition quite a bit - but the whole reticle will not simply appear as just a dot. That's why we put the thicker bars at the 3, 6 and 9 position that draw your eye into the center of the reticle. They are very visible on 1x and considering the engagements will be close and fast, will get you plenty close at speed and in transitions. Battery life is also indeed closer to 240 hours on that setting. Is 2.4 years listed somewhere that it needs to be corrected? Just looked all over our product page on our website and didn't see that listed. Thanks The quote below is from earlier in this thread about battery life. "Setting 8 (Where it really starts to transition from "Daylight visible" to "Daylight Bright" for most situations - ambient light depending) = 45 hours constant on" If I could ask one more question about the dot. I tend to see a comma or a comet on my Aimpoints likely due to an astigmatism. Will I see a crisp dot with this Razor since it has an etched reticle? Or will an astigmatism affect it as well? |
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Posted: 3/6/2020 10:22:51 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I could ask one more question about the dot. I tend to see a comma or a comet on my Aimpoints likely due to an astigmatism. Will I see a crisp dot with this Razor since it has an etched reticle? Or will an astigmatism affect it as well? |
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Posted: 3/6/2020 8:25:55 PM EDT
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You won't have any negative effects from your astigmatism with this scope. That said, the illumination is Mega Bright so it's really easy to have it at a setting that's too high if you just go by number settings that you ordinarily have other scopes at and if it's too bright for the ambient light, it will bloom a lot. Even setting 1 is visible in daylight and by the time you're at setting 6 it's basically daylight bright (Looking through one now) - you'd have to be in direct sunlight with no cover or in the tundra with a crap load of reflection off snow to really need to crank it up to the highest settings. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 2:13:34 PM EDT
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Just put pre-order in on a gen III. Deal was too good to pass up. While I’m speaking blasphemy here, the first thing I’m going to do is cerakote it black.
ETA: due to the amount of IM's inquiring about the "deal" I got (I replied to everybody who inquired), I'll leave it here that the seller has put their prices back to basically where everyone else is selling theirs. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 7:24:27 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Just put pre-order in on a gen III. Deal was too good to pass up. While I’m speaking blasphemy here, the first thing I’m going to do is cerakote it black. 
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Posted: 3/11/2020 3:49:17 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Just put pre-order in on a gen III. Deal was too good to pass up. While I’m speaking blasphemy here, the first thing I’m going to do is cerakote it black. |
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Posted: 3/11/2020 4:33:09 PM EDT
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Wanna share the details of the pre-order? |
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Posted: 3/11/2020 5:16:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
You won't have any negative effects from your astigmatism with this scope. That said, the illumination is Mega Bright so it's really easy to have it at a setting that's too high if you just go by number settings that you ordinarily have other scopes at and if it's too bright for the ambient light, it will bloom a lot. Even setting 1 is visible in daylight and by the time you're at setting 6 it's basically daylight bright (Looking through one now) - you'd have to be in direct sunlight with no cover or in the tundra with a crap load of reflection off snow to really need to crank it up to the highest settings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: If I could ask one more question about the dot. I tend to see a comma or a comet on my Aimpoints likely due to an astigmatism. Will I see a crisp dot with this Razor since it has an etched reticle? Or will an astigmatism affect it as well? Honestly Vortex, ya'll should trademark the phrase "nuclear bright" or I'm going to steal it as soon as we have illumination worthy to call it that.
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Posted: 3/11/2020 5:32:58 PM EDT
[#22]
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Honestly Vortex, ya'll should trademark the phrase "nuclear bright" or I'm going to steal it as soon as we have illumination worthy to call it that.
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Posted: 3/12/2020 1:40:37 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can confirm. Looked through it at SHOT Show and I have bad astigmatism in both eyes. In red dots I tend to see a bow tie or a comet, never a round red dot. I saw none of that with this optic, but yes at "nuclear bright" it bloomed significantly in the relatively dim SHOT Show floor lighting. But nobody should want it that bright at anything but direct sunlight outdoors. It's the brightest illumination I've seen in any optic I've ever held in my hands, of any type. Honestly Vortex, ya'll should trademark the phrase "nuclear bright" or I'm going to steal it as soon as we have illumination worthy to call it that. |
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Posted: 3/12/2020 1:45:07 PM EDT
[#24]
Has the release date for these been postponed with everything that's going on?
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Posted: 3/13/2020 10:56:13 AM EDT
[#25]
From DLO's IG and FB. 10x, 6x, 2.2x and 1x. Target at 50yrds and brightness not all the way up. Maybe setting 9 or 10 he said.
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Posted: 3/14/2020 10:51:50 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Just put pre-order in on a gen III. Deal was too good to pass up. While I’m speaking blasphemy here, the first thing I’m going to do is cerakote it black. I like the color of the Razors. |
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Posted: 3/14/2020 10:54:43 PM EDT
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From DLO's IG and FB. 10x, 6x, 2.2x and 1x. Target at 50yrds and brightness not all the way up. Maybe setting 9 or 10 he said. https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/90154966_2522578461293365_8794992157665525760_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_sid=2d5d41&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=AdOEarn-6u4AX_mqSUB&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=8b776ca819bcf8f1785d5f74a994b886&oe=5E90314A I often shoot at 1x at matches and don't bother to turn on the illumination on my 1-6, because the crosshairs are bold enough that I don't find it necessary. |
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Posted: 3/14/2020 10:55:27 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You do whatever makes you happy with regard to color. :) I like the color of the Razors. |
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Posted: 3/15/2020 2:49:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IM sent! Hook me up bro
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Posted: 3/15/2020 2:57:36 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: @theHULK9281 Hook me up bro |
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Posted: 3/15/2020 9:45:20 PM EDT
[#31]
They have a list at Top Pack you can get onto. Just give them your info and which reticle you want.
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Posted: 3/16/2020 1:32:32 PM EDT
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@theHULK9281 hook me up too please!!!!!
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Posted: 3/17/2020 10:45:46 AM EDT
[#33]
Crappy Cellular Pictures. For reference building is @ 1444 yards.... |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 11:37:17 AM EDT
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1,444 yards
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Posted: 3/17/2020 11:45:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
1,444 yards 
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Posted: 3/17/2020 11:58:03 AM EDT
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No, a statement
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Posted: 3/17/2020 12:36:09 PM EDT
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https://i.imgur.com/HM0g1Hr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PntMJ4q.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NleagVu.jpg Crappy Cellular Pictures. For reference building is @ 1444 yards.... |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 12:37:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are they starting to come in or is this a dealer sample / demo unit? |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 12:44:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine came in last Friday, as did a co-workers. |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 1:04:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Dang! lucky! I'd love to have mine right about now. I suspect I will have to wait awhile longer. Already got the mount here just sitting waiting on it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Mine came in last Friday, as did a co-workers. |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 2:30:00 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was woefully unprepared for its early arrival. I was expecting mid April. I've still no mount. Probably be at least next month before I can acquire another POS Scalarworks. |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 3:28:47 PM EDT
[#42]
wheres the best place to preorder one?
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Posted: 3/17/2020 3:59:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
wheres the best place to preorder one? |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 4:18:16 PM EDT
[#44]
@VortexOptics
These still showing up in April? Or will there be a delay due to current events? Thanks again for all your involvement in this thread 
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Posted: 3/17/2020 5:49:23 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was woefully unprepared for its early arrival. I was expecting mid April. I've still no mount. Probably be at least next month before I can acquire another POS Scalarworks. |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 6:18:39 PM EDT
[#46]
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Whats wrong with the scalarworks mount? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I was woefully unprepared for its early arrival. I was expecting mid April. I've still no mount. Probably be at least next month before I can acquire another POS Scalarworks. |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 6:42:50 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was being sarcastic. Someone said they’re suboptimal. I love mine thus far. Maybe that will change with usage. I do like Badger Ordnance’s new offerings though. But I'd be open to other mounts if someone else would make some 1.7" mounts. |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 7:18:03 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Think I'll be putting mine in a new Badger 1.7" But I'd be open to other mounts if someone else would make some 1.7" mounts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I was being sarcastic. Someone said they’re suboptimal. I love mine thus far. Maybe that will change with usage. I do like Badger Ordnance’s new offerings though. But I'd be open to other mounts if someone else would make some 1.7" mounts. |
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Posted: 3/17/2020 8:05:00 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
wheres the best place to preorder one? |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 9:48:16 AM EDT
[#50]
Well I called AA Optics where Sabre675 got his from and they still had a few BDC models in stock some how. So I snatched one up! Excited to have it so early! Especially with what's going on around the world. They have a handful more on hand they said so if you want one call em quick!
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