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It looked like it was poorly shot. Several times.

And REALLY damn determined.

Yeah no kidding.  Hogs are tough fucking animals.  Im 110% cool with 110gr Vmax on people.

Would have shit my drawers having that hog charge me like that. That was a freak incident but his shooting help cause that too. Shot placement is key. I use the 110 v-max as my go to/shtf bullet along with some Barnes 110 Tac. But do have a 12.5 inch 308 ready with 168 A-Max to use too, just in case!

From what I could see the first shot hit the right front leg so a different bullet or even a .308 would not have made any difference as it was a poor shot. The second shot I couldn't tell if it was a hit or miss but looked like a miss. Third shot looked like a glancing blow to the top left of the pig where there is a lot of muscle/fat with a very thick shoulder blade and no vitals. Fourth shot was a solid hit in the lower right frontal area and this is where the pig starts to lose it because after another two steps it starts to go down. Fifth shot was once again in the top left of the pig but at a higher angle that allowed more penetration. The fifth shot was only the second hit that really could have been close to a kill shot and the pig was already heading down from the fourth shot on the frontal area.

I have hunted pigs with both the .308 and 300BLK. I have also had them run some distance with a solid .308 hit while having them DRT with a 300BLK and vice versa. Bullets do funny things and unless you are hunting with a 50BMG then shot placement with a rifle that has enough power to put them down has more to do than the caliber or extra energy.

The size of this pig with a 110gr barnes black tip would have gone right through him while expanding to a full 1/2 inch coming out of a 300BLK. There wasn't a single shot in this video that the .308 would have done a better job at as missing or hitting a leg with more energy does nothing to put down the pig. Also the recoil with the .308 could made it worse as it would not have let the shooter get back on target near as fast as he did with the 300BLK allowing him to put the pig down before it reached him. Once the shooter put rounds on target with the 300BLK in the right area the pig dropped fast.

That takes me back to the 1990s and I am getting threatened or banned from gun forums for gently joshing parodies of ayoob's prose.

Back on fast expanding bullets.
The guys I hunt with, we have killed many thousand rodents with the Vmax bullets.
But when it come to ruminants, they use partition and I use Nosler Ballistic tip.

I have been buying zillions of out of state tags and shooting a lot of deer for a lot of  years.
We cannot seem to agree those smart hunting partners and me.
I shoot the deer broadside and aim for the lungs.
They stagger and fall over... and then I need those friends to drag the animal back to the truck.

This.

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My question is, is that really that much difference than some of the 5.56 rounds....  I kind of forget.  It does seem like it's wound channel is pretty big....  But I'm not sure it's that much different than the TSX loads or even 77 grain BTHP.....

I might be all wet.   But I don't think the penetration is any more.......

I also wonder if you had a 16" bolt gun what that would do to it.........

I agree.  Another case he uses is one where a husband was tried for the murder of his wife.  She committed suicide using his .38 Special revolver.  The problem for the defense was that she'd used a light target hand load, but the police confiscated and tested his much heavier self defense load.  Their forensic expert concluded the powder stippling produced by the tested load was not consistent with the stippling on the victim and concluded the shot must have been fired from a distance that would have been beyond her reach.

This problem in ballistic analysis gets trotted out as a reason not to use hand loaded ammunition for self defense.  But if you think it through you realize the problem is one where the defendant hand loaded, and had multiple .38 Special loads in the home using the same bullet loaded to different velocities.   It could also potentially apply in some instances where a defendant purchased two boxes of commercial ammunition purchased at different times that used the same bullet, but were loaded differently, and then consolidated two partially used boxes to a single box.

Ayoob points out that there is a data base for factory ammo that can be used for comparative analysis, but this depends on the police correctly matching the load used in the shooting to the load in the data base to make a valid comparison.   The important points for hand loaded self defense ammunition are that you:
-  clearly mark your self defense hand loads as such;
- keep them separate from all of your other ammunition;
- inform the police (through your attorney) where the self defense load is located; and
- ensure you always have enough remaining in that clearly marked box to allow for comparative testing by both the prosecution and the defense.

The same advice also applies to a commercial self defense load.

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My thoughts as well. Probably rough estimates.

Not trying to nitpick or anything but I wouldn't go as far as saying the denim test is not needed or performed with rifle rounds. General testing by the FBI and other third party manufacturers always use variations of the "denim test" with rifle rounds marked for LE use. I'd be willing to bet if you actually did the true denim test and test with heavy winter clothing that the bullet may have some "pre-expansion" or disruption that may hinder it's penetration and performance. Being a tipped bullet, I would not expect total failure to penetrate, but I would expect some early expansion or jacket separation that may cause it to have less than stellar penetration. You mention even if the bullet did have an exposed cavity that it would not fail or clog due to it's velocity, that's just plain absurd. There are many instances of rifle rounds with open cavities (Not OTM Match bullets) not expanding due to some form of foreign materials including clothing, density of the intended target, or the velocity required for expansion was not met. Barnes TSX and TTSX are great examples of this.

I'm not trying to rustle your jimmies, just wanted to point that out.

From what I have read, 1600 fps is the lowest for expansion on the 110 V-Max.
110 V-Max

A Nosler rep told me the same 1600fps when I asked about their 110g Varmageddon.

I have no idea. That might be interesting. I'm also curious to see whether it is still capable of penetrating adequately at higher velocity. This might be worth revisiting.

ETA: I forgot that I already tested this bullet at lower velocity. Freedom Munitions loaded it to a weak ass 1,600 fps. No expansion.

You're right that I was oversimplifying.

Yes, but with the clothing aka 4 layers of denim they may effect the amount of fragmentation.  The V-tip "may" start expansion sooner on impact with the "clothing" and cause it to fragment earlier.

Just a thought.  When you change the test you do add another variable.

From this thread it doesn't seem like the 300 BO brings much more to the table than say the TSX rounds in 5.56...  But maybe I'm missing it.  I guess it might be a different story with more velocity and a different bullet.  Eh?

I mean the wound channel on your test with a short barrel using the Black Hills Red 50 grain TSX if pretty darned big and penetration was spot on......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3xgcu2yNRs

The guy in the video stated, "that's why I shoot an AR15, not a bolt".  He didn't say he was shooting a 300 Blk.  Do you have a link where the shooter mentioned he was using a 110 HP?

I load the Speer for the above reasons. I'd love to see a gel test on that one with some denim.

I've shot a couple of deer with the 110gr. Vmax Black loading from Hornady. It works. No exit wound on either, but they dropped DRT. Internal damage was....impressive.

Good to know.  Thank u.  What length barrel did u use?