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Posted: 2/5/2020 10:51:43 PM EDT
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The RM45 is a pic rail mount for the M300/600 and the SR07 is a pic tape switch, so I'm wondering what part you were concerned about and which part you would think needs to be switched with a cloud defensive part?
I don't see any reason why that setup wouldn't work, i think the only issue would be mounting the tape switch directly next to the light as the RM45 brings the light fairly close in. That being said, the older MK4 rail is a little wider, so there is a good chance that it shouldn't be an issue. |
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Posted: 2/5/2020 11:09:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't see any reason why that setup wouldn't work, i think the only issue would be mounting the tape switch directly next to the light as the RM45 brings the light fairly close in. That being said, the older MK4 rail is a little wider, so there is a good chance that it shouldn't be an issue. |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 1:59:06 AM EDT
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Wondering mainly if the tape switch wire will need to be secured without using the cloud defensive mount if there is too much excess wire. 
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Posted: 2/6/2020 8:33:08 AM EDT
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That will be based on where the tape switch is placed on the rail and what orientation. The SR07 is a 7" tape switch, which gives you enough room for movement, but you shouldn't have a bunch of wire flopping around. The majority of the time I have the button face towards the muzzle so it creates a "s" shape in the wire and take up slack. For any excess, I normally use a zip tie or larue clip to hold the wire in place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wondering mainly if the tape switch wire will need to be secured without using the cloud defensive mount if there is too much excess wire. |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 9:42:11 AM EDT
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I personally do not like to zip tying anything to the rail. I use a small zip tie to the mounting area on the light body. It's snug but not crazy tight.
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Posted: 2/6/2020 4:41:17 PM EDT
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I personally do not like to zip tying anything to the rail. I use a small zip tie to the mounting area on the light body. It's snug but not crazy tight. |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 5:22:29 PM EDT
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Thanks. Would it make a difference if you flipped the switch around facing the other direction? The only reason not to would be if you like the constant on in a certain spot. |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 5:34:13 PM EDT
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It would. right now, with the way he has it, the cable makes a U shape. He pulled the bottom of the U towards the mount and secured it. If he flipped the switch, it would make an S and take up some of the slack in the cable. The only reason not to would be if you like the constant on in a certain spot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks. Would it make a difference if you flipped the switch around facing the other direction? The only reason not to would be if you like the constant on in a certain spot. |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 6:30:03 PM EDT
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Thanks. Would it make a difference if you flipped the switch around facing the other direction? The only reason not to would be if you like the constant on in a certain spot. I suggest you try out different configs until you find what you like then worry about how to secure the cable. . |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 6:40:47 PM EDT
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Exactly. Flip it around and you'll take up more slack. I prefer constant on up front. I suggest you try out different configs until you find what you like then worry about how to secure the cable. . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks. Would it make a difference if you flipped the switch around facing the other direction? The only reason not to would be if you like the constant on in a certain spot. I suggest you try out different configs until you find what you like then worry about how to secure the cable. . |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 6:53:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trying to determine if I get a regular tape switch and cloud defensive, or get the surefire sr07 and no cloud defensive though. . |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 7:02:16 PM EDT
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You really can't go wrong with either. I use both. One has constant on (SR07) and one doesn't (ST07), that's the difference... And maybe price. . Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/6/2020 7:16:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trying to determine if I get a regular tape switch and cloud defensive, or get the surefire sr07 and no cloud defensive though. |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 7:22:42 PM EDT
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I do like the constant on feature of the SR07. There's also a DS07 switch too that has a constant on button on the tailcap I believe. Which could also be an option possibly. Official-M4A1-USASOC-URG-I-and-Clone-Picture-and-Discussion-Thread The-Official-Geissele-Picture-Thread |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 7:28:57 PM EDT
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The cloud defense isn't bad, but some people feel like it raises the switch higher than people would like. It also doesn't have the constant, which is a deal breaker for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/6/2020 7:29:28 PM EDT
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Scroll through these threads for ideas, if you haven't already... Lots of Geissele rails and whatnot Official-M4A1-USASOC-URG-I-and-Clone-Picture-and-Discussion-Thread The-Official-Geissele-Picture-Thread Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I do like the constant on feature of the SR07. There's also a DS07 switch too that has a constant on button on the tailcap I believe. Which could also be an option possibly. Official-M4A1-USASOC-URG-I-and-Clone-Picture-and-Discussion-Thread The-Official-Geissele-Picture-Thread |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 7:45:37 PM EDT
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If you don't want the rail mount Cloud LCS you could do the m-lok version or even use the Magpul switch mount... More options.
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Posted: 2/6/2020 7:54:41 PM EDT
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If you don't want the rail mount Cloud LCS you could do the m-lok version or even use the Magpul switch mount... More options. . |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 9:22:17 PM EDT
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If you don't want the rail mount Cloud LCS you could do the m-lok version or even use the Magpul switch mount... More options. . |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 9:31:23 PM EDT
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the only downside with those two options is that they only work with the ST07, so you don't have the constant on capability. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you don't want the rail mount Cloud LCS you could do the m-lok version or even use the Magpul switch mount... More options. . |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 9:51:10 PM EDT
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I could also use the DS07 for constant on I think Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you don't want the rail mount Cloud LCS you could do the m-lok version or even use the Magpul switch mount... More options. . Just get the SR07 and rock on. I've made your decision. You're welcome. Ha |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 10:08:25 PM EDT
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True. Just get the SR07 and rock on. I've made your decision. You're welcome. Ha Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you don't want the rail mount Cloud LCS you could do the m-lok version or even use the Magpul switch mount... More options. . Just get the SR07 and rock on. I've made your decision. You're welcome. Ha Now which mount?... RM45 or thumbscrew? |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 10:27:01 PM EDT
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I think your right lol. Now which mount?... RM45 or thumbscrew? Terrible image but you get the idea - My 12.5 Triarc upper with Haley inline but Arisaka makes a nice one as well.  Attached FileBOOM - Your complete setup - Courtesy of Geissele  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 10:35:38 PM EDT
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I'm partial to inline mounts simply for the fact I don't like anything on the 3\9 o'clock rail, whenever possible. Terrible image but you get the idea - My 12.5 Triarc upper with Haley inline but Arisaka makes a nice one as well. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/137230/Tr1u_jpg-1266743.JPG BOOM - Your complete setup - Courtesy of Geissele https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/137230/Gei_jpg-1266759.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think your right lol. Now which mount?... RM45 or thumbscrew? Terrible image but you get the idea - My 12.5 Triarc upper with Haley inline but Arisaka makes a nice one as well. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/137230/Tr1u_jpg-1266743.JPG BOOM - Your complete setup - Courtesy of Geissele https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/137230/Gei_jpg-1266759.JPG |
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Posted: 2/6/2020 10:38:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:09:40 AM EDT
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I could also use the DS07 for constant on I think |
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Posted: 2/7/2020 12:28:58 AM EDT
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The DS07 will work with the RM45, but it might not work with after market mounts. Just something to keep in mind Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I could also use the DS07 for constant on I think |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 3:26:41 PM EDT
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Well, the surefire RD45 mount does not work with a Troy back up sight I forgot to mention I was using. The surefire light hits the sight with the RD45. Hopefully Gear Sector makes more of their offset mounts soon to try out or I'll have to find something else. The stock Surefire thumbscrew mount works, but I would prefer to get the light up a little higher and tucked in a little better.
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Posted: 2/19/2020 5:16:20 PM EDT
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Well, the surefire RD45 mount does not work with a Troy back up sight I forgot to mention I was using. The surefire light hits the sight with the RD45. Hopefully Gear Sector makes more of their offset mounts soon to try out or I'll have to find something else. The stock Surefire thumbscrew mount works, but I would prefer to get the light up a little higher and tucked in a little better. |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 5:22:13 PM EDT
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The Troy sights have a very large base, which causes issues bumping into mounts and lights. I would suggest maybe looking at a front sight with a smaller footprint if possible. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, the surefire RD45 mount does not work with a Troy back up sight I forgot to mention I was using. The surefire light hits the sight with the RD45. Hopefully Gear Sector makes more of their offset mounts soon to try out or I'll have to find something else. The stock Surefire thumbscrew mount works, but I would prefer to get the light up a little higher and tucked in a little better. |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 5:40:05 PM EDT
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I'd like to keep the sights and try a different mount. |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 5:50:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you placing it on the right side or left side of the rail? |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 5:53:30 PM EDT
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Right side You might be able to guesstimate based on relative size between the old larue rail and yours to see if you have more space.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 6:01:42 PM EDT
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That's the thick side of the sight, which would cause more fitment issues. This is the picture from larue using their LT752 mount and the M300. I don't think you will be able to find anything that will fit. The M600 would fit, but you have the advantage of putting the sight body next to the tube instead of the head. You might be able to guesstimate based on relative size between the old larue rail and yours to see if you have more space. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/145596/LTM300_JPG-1282920.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Right side You might be able to guesstimate based on relative size between the old larue rail and yours to see if you have more space. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/145596/LTM300_JPG-1282920.JPG |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 6:08:24 PM EDT
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Did you try the RM45 on the left side?
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Posted: 2/19/2020 6:25:13 PM EDT
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Did you try the RM45 on the left side? |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 7:04:56 PM EDT
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Just tried, it doesn't work on left side either unfortunately.
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Posted: 2/19/2020 9:55:55 PM EDT
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If it's hitting the Troy front BUIS, no other 45 offset is going to help. You would need to push the light out a little.
Try the Magpul offset scout mount.  Attached FileOr Arisaka side scout mount picatinny  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 10:31:13 PM EDT
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If it's hitting the Troy front BUIS, no other 45 offset is going to help. You would need to push the light out a little. Try the Magpul offset scout mount. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/137230/p_100016544_3_jpg-1283271.JPG Or Arisaka side scout mount picatinny https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/137230/ari-12_jpg-1283286.JPG On closer inspection, it looks like the arisaka mount would bring the light up a little higher than the thumbscrew mount, but not too much that it hits the Troy sight. |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 10:36:35 PM EDT
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Post a picture of your setup. That might help visually.
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Posted: 2/19/2020 10:37:06 PM EDT
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Post a picture of your setup. That might help visually. |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 11:02:09 PM EDT
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This is the Thorntail SBR mount on a MK4 in conjunction with the DD fixed front sight. The Troy base is wider, but the thorntail does lift it away. The other one to look at is the thorntail 2 as it has some more lateral adjustment.
If I had a troy sight, i would try to fit it, but I don't use them.  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 2/19/2020 11:11:03 PM EDT
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This is the Thorntail SBR mount on a MK4 in conjunction with the DD fixed front sight. The Troy base is wider, but the thorntail does lift it away. The other one to look at is the thorntail 2 as it has some more lateral adjustment. If I had a troy sight, i would try to fit it, but I don't use them. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/145596/Thorntail_JPG-1283372.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/145596/Thorntail3_JPG-1283376.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/145596/Thorntail2_JPG-1283373.JPG |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 10:31:38 PM EDT
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Got the Arisaka mount today and it turned out pretty good. Raised the light up a little compared to the thumb screw mount without interfering with hitting the Troy sight.
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Posted: 4/4/2020 4:21:17 PM EDT
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Of course now Surefire comes out with the pivot mount, lol.
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Posted: 4/4/2020 4:30:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of course now Surefire comes out with the pivot mount, lol. Lol, they announced that before Shot Show, so like mid January. |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 4:50:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, they announced that before Shot Show, so like mid January. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Of course now Surefire comes out with the pivot mount, lol. Lol, they announced that before Shot Show, so like mid January. Well, now I need that anyway lol Did it just come on the market now? |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 5:42:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, now I need that anyway lol Did it just come on the market now? I just saw them becoming available right before the quarantines started to happen |
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Posted: 4/4/2020 5:52:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just saw them becoming available right before the quarantines started to happen Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, now I need that anyway lol Did it just come on the market now? I just saw them becoming available right before the quarantines started to happen Ok. Well, better late than never I suppose. The pivoting mount should solve my issue now. And many others too I imagine. |
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