User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 5/26/2018 3:03:29 AM EDT
[#1]
Quoted:
They were asking $2,499. Now if it's true that they have already discontinued that rifle, then that's a very good price, and a very solid investment. But I'm not in it for the investment. I want a Retro I can shoot the crap out of. Still, for that price, I'd rather just buy an SP1. 
Makes me wonder what my pristine XM16E1 uppper with chrome carrier on a nodak limited fence would/should bring. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/26/2018 3:23:28 AM EDT
[#2]
At least an sp1 was actually made by colt and not subcontracted out like those were.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/26/2018 3:29:22 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: $2500
Makes me wonder what my pristine XM16E1 uppper with chrome carrier on a nodak limited fence would/should bring. Everybody wants a pony, even if they are mediocre. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/26/2018 3:45:36 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Much less. Everybody wants a pony, even if they are mediocre. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: $2500
Makes me wonder what my pristine XM16E1 uppper with chrome carrier on a nodak limited fence would/should bring. Everybody wants a pony, even if they are mediocre. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/26/2018 10:07:21 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
They were asking $2,499. Now if it's true that they have already discontinued that rifle, then that's a very good price, and a very solid investment. But I'm not in it for the investment. I want a Retro I can shoot the crap out of. Still, for that price, I'd rather just buy an SP1. I can say for a fact that shooting the crap out of a 25,000$ gun is about 100x as fun.. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/26/2018 5:14:41 PM EDT
[#6]
I think classic firearms has the Colt M16a1 for $2499
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/26/2018 11:11:11 PM EDT
[#7]
Look at the brownells one then. They're cheaper. 1/2 that.
https://www.brownells.com/firearms/rifles/semi-auto/xbrn16e1-rifle-5-56mm-20in-black-prod113313.aspx |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/27/2018 2:26:30 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Look at the brownells one then. They're cheaper. 1/2 that. https://www.brownells.com/firearms/rifles/semi-auto/xbrn16e1-rifle-5-56mm-20in-black-prod113313.aspx |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/27/2018 2:55:18 PM EDT
[#9]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/27/2018 6:50:10 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryGAG_AS-CRM16A1 The Colt M16A1 Reissue is a modern production rifle based on an old popular look. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/27/2018 7:24:04 PM EDT
[#11]
No matter the price of things people will always complain.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/28/2018 1:54:45 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
No matter the price of things people will always complain. The thing I don't get, is why the reissue just comes with a modern sling, and a 20 round mag. They could've put a bunch of "specialty" reissue items. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/28/2018 9:02:02 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
No matter the price of things people will always complain. So I figure I'm shooting for immortality! 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/28/2018 3:34:15 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, no Colt marking means they aren't even good guns. I own a few Colt's. I totally disagree with your statement. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/28/2018 6:31:40 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm not following. You're saying only Colt makes good AR's? Or are you just goofing around? I own a few Colt's. I totally disagree with your statement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: lol, no Colt marking means they aren't even good guns. I own a few Colt's. I totally disagree with your statement. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/28/2018 10:49:10 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I detected some sarcasm 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/29/2018 5:26:27 AM EDT
[#17]
I bought one of the Colt reissues just because. The fit and finish on it is definitely a step above Brownells parts. Wish I was able to score one from the early batch where Colt spelled the word "rifle" incorrectly on the box
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/29/2018 1:09:40 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I bought one of the Colt reissues just because. The fit and finish on it is definitely a step above Brownells parts. Wish I was able to score one from the early batch where Colt spelled the word "rifle" incorrectly on the box |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/29/2018 1:18:18 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is there a reason why? Does it increase value in the sense that coins with mint errors are rare? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/29/2018 5:22:25 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I bought one of the Colt reissues just because. The fit and finish on it is definitely a step above Brownells parts. Wish I was able to score one from the early batch where Colt spelled the word "rifle" incorrectly on the box |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/29/2018 7:25:08 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does the furniture compare to the original furniture? Or is it just new old stock? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/29/2018 7:54:26 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I bought one when they first became available,I thought they could have been less expensive,but I wanted it either way.I am pleased with the overall fit and finish it and seems very well made and the furniture appears to be new original made out of the same material as my originals Not trying to be offensive, but it's been stated here multiple times that it's cheaper to build your own either with original hardware or Brownells reproduction parts. The Brownells complete rifles are also cheaper, however, lack the Colt roll marks. Was the main reason because it was Colt branded, a complete rifle, or just cause...? I'm just curious in the way that I would never buy a complete AR new and would rather build it. Hell my first AR was a complete gun I built from scratch a couple years ago. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/29/2018 8:50:46 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I ask "What was the main reason you bought one?" Not trying to be offensive, but it's been stated here multiple times that it's cheaper to build your own either with original hardware or Brownells reproduction parts. The Brownells complete rifles are also cheaper, however, lack the Colt roll marks. Was the main reason because it was Colt branded, a complete rifle, or just cause...? I'm just curious in the way that I would never buy a complete AR new and would rather build it. Hell my first AR was a complete gun I built from scratch a couple years ago. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/29/2018 11:28:17 PM EDT
[#24]
Can we get a pic of this pony? I won't judge you for buying a Colt. I don't go either extreme on them. I like the ones I've had, but I don't necessarily think they are so much better than other guns. There are things that they do well. Like for example, for some reason my Colt A2 20" has the smoothest action out of any AR I've ever shot or fondled. I think it's something about the finish they used in the early 90's, late 80's.
BUT, every Colt barrel I've owned has been more finnicky than other barrels. The 2 colt's I've owned both showed a very drastic shift in POI from one load to the next. And that really annoys me. They can be precise with the right loads, but if someone has sort of a hodge podge of different brands and weights, the ones I had are no fun. The other uppers I've had show WAY less shift. Including an SAK barreled A1 20"er. That did display some shift. But manageable, and not nearly as drastic. And was a pretty darn good shooter. So.... I do think the only reason they cost so much and people buy them is name recognition. But, having said that, Pat Rogers was definitely a proponent of using / trusting Colt rifles for serious use. A few others too. Like BCM. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/30/2018 4:04:33 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Can we get a pic of this pony? I won't judge you for buying a Colt. I don't go either extreme on them. I like the ones I've had, but I don't necessarily think they are so much better than other guns. There are things that they do well. Like for example, for some reason my Colt A2 20" has the smoothest action out of any AR I've ever shot or fondled. I think it's something about the finish they used in the early 90's, late 80's. BUT, every Colt barrel I've owned has been more finnicky than other barrels. The 2 colt's I've owned both showed a very drastic shift in POI from one load to the next. And that really annoys me. They can be precise with the right loads, but if someone has sort of a hodge podge of different brands and weights, the ones I had are no fun. The other uppers I've had show WAY less shift. Including an SAK barreled A1 20"er. That did display some shift. But manageable, and not nearly as drastic. And was a pretty darn good shooter. So.... I do think the only reason they cost so much and people buy them is name recognition. But, having said that, Pat Rogers was definitely a proponent of using / trusting Colt rifles for serious use. A few others too. Like BCM.  [/img]. Bottom Rifle on rack is the CRM16A1
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/30/2018 4:43:49 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://s22.postimg.cc/3u0xon5mp/DCA879_A4-_A669-4356-_B668-6_BE288_ECC8_E6.jpg sorry about lousy pic,first time using post image 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/30/2018 5:00:41 PM EDT
[#27]
Helmets are real,..Greasegun is a replica I bought years ago
   " />
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/30/2018 8:13:26 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Helmets are real,..Greasegun is a replica I bought years agohttps://s22.postimg.cc/kymu4uskd/72_ED149_C-9_E69-43_B1-_ADB3-_E26_BED651_F09.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/i4jordnt9/EEA68_CCA-632_F-4408-83_EC-_EB8817_C4_A7_C0.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/5pwwr2jgd/F2041_F5_E-_DDF9-4_B09-82_D8-9_DE7640_ECDC5.jpg" target="_blank">https://s22.postimg.cc/kymu4uskd/72_ED149_C-9_E69-43_B1-_ADB3-_E26_BED651_F09.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/i4jordnt9/EEA68_CCA-632_F-4408-83_EC-_EB8817_C4_A7_C0.jpg https://s22.postimg.cc/5pwwr2jgd/F2041_F5_E-_DDF9-4_B09-82_D8-9_DE7640_ECDC5.jpg
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/30/2018 8:36:16 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You need a better camera! Those are just teaser pics!  " />[img]https://
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/30/2018 9:31:07 PM EDT
[#30]
It's funny how some get offended at those who would buy the Colt. Yeah you can build your own and save a grand, but there are those who see value in a Colt. And my point originally is I think it's a solid investment. If they really have discontinued those already, all those guys who were "dumb enough" to buy one at $2,500 will laugh all the way to the bank as they go up in value. TheLi market for Colt stuff isn't "rational", but it exists nontheless. The Python isn't a rare revolver by any means. On any day you can find a good 50 for sale, and you can get any configuration you can imagine. But the prices are just insane. I mean, yeah it's a superior .357, but it isn't 4x better than any of the other .357's out there. So its not better enough to justify the price, and they're not "rare" by a long freaking shot. So the market isn't really rational...yet, that market (as in the prices) have been stable for coming on to 10 years, and I don't see those prices going down. So while it doesn't make sense, it just IS.
So the new A1 is a very solid investment in my opinion (not that my opinion is worth anything). |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/30/2018 9:47:58 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's funny how some get offended at those who would buy the Colt. Yeah you can build your own and save a grand, but there are those who see value in a Colt. And my point originally is I think it's a solid investment. If they really have discontinued those already, all those guys who were "dumb enough" to buy one at $2,500 will laugh all the way to the bank as they go up in value. TheLi market for Colt stuff isn't "rational", but it exists nontheless. The Python isn't a rare revolver by any means. On any day you can find a good 50 for sale, and you can get any configuration you can imagine. But the prices are just insane. I mean, yeah it's a superior .357, but it isn't 4x better than any of the other .357's out there. So its not better enough to justify the price, and they're not "rare" by a long freaking shot. So the market isn't really rational...yet, that market (as in the prices) have been stable for coming on to 10 years, and I don't see those prices going down. So while it doesn't make sense, it just IS. So the new A1 is a very solid investment in my opinion (not that my opinion is worth anything). On the other hand, if Colt realizes that they have a potential gold mine in their hands and starts mass producing them at a lower price, that $2,500 could bottom out. I'd definitely love to have a Colt, just to have a Colt, but for me the price was too much. Especially considering that I built an 80% to 90% Colt (only the Lower and LPK aren't Colt), for under $1,000 just 3 years ago. But anyone that has the money and doesn't mind spending it for one of these, I say go for it. I love my A1, so I'd never look down upon someone for buying one. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/30/2018 9:48:10 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I bought one when they first became available,I thought they could have been less expensive,but I wanted it either way.I am pleased with the overall fit and finish it and seems very well made and the furniture appears to be new original made out of the same material as my originals Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: How does the furniture compare to the original furniture? Or is it just new old stock? Are the heat shields actually riveted in place like the originals? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/30/2018 9:50:18 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, I would really like to know who's making the reproduction furniture and if it will ever be sold anywhere besides on these reproduction rifles. Are the heat shields actually riveted in place like the originals? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/30/2018 10:19:31 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Playing Devil's Advocate... On the other hand, if Colt realizes that they have a potential gold mine in their hands and starts mass producing them at a lower price, that $2,500 could bottom out. I'd definitely love to have a Colt, just to have a Colt, but for me the price was too much. Especially considering that I built an 80% to 90% Colt (only the Lower and LPK aren't Colt), for under $1,000 just 3 years ago. But anyone that has the money and doesn't mind spending it for one of these, I say go for it. I love my A1, so I'd never look down upon someone for buying one. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/30/2018 11:34:37 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My guess is..... not gonna happen. But who knows. My crystal ball is broken. They won't, so the retro genre will just keep on doing what we do. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/30/2018 11:57:31 PM EDT
[#36]
I bought and built a lot of ARs about 8 years ago - they were going to be worth a fortune by now! But nope. I doubt I could get my money back.
A Colt Python? Yeah, that's most likely going to appreciate nicely. Nobody's mass-producing copies of it for $500 like they are ARs now. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/31/2018 12:59:00 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I won't swear to this, but I recall someone posting about the furniture last year. They said that it will eventually hit the secondary market, but for now they couldn't. Dig through the pages of posts and you'll come across it. It would have been something like May, June or July of last year, if I'm remembering right. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Interesting, I would really like to know who's making the reproduction furniture and if it will ever be sold anywhere besides on these reproduction rifles. Are the heat shields actually riveted in place like the originals? |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/31/2018 6:06:08 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I have an iPhone 6 and they are extremely clear in my photos,..But they lost all their resolution in the upload,..Not sure whyhttps://s22.postimg.cc/o8jmu9url/17_A5_DA42-_A8_F9-4_E3_E-_A50_C-98_FE10_EC885_D.jpg" target="_blank">https://s22.postimg.cc/o8jmu9url/17_A5_DA42-_A8_F9-4_E3_E-_A50_C-98_FE10_EC885_D.jpg[url]https:// Quote HistoryQuoted:
I have an iPhone 6 and they are extremely clear in my photos,..But they lost all their resolution in the upload,..Not sure whyhttps://s22.postimg.cc/o8jmu9url/17_A5_DA42-_A8_F9-4_E3_E-_A50_C-98_FE10_EC885_D.jpg" target="_blank">https://s22.postimg.cc/o8jmu9url/17_A5_DA42-_A8_F9-4_E3_E-_A50_C-98_FE10_EC885_D.jpg[url]https:// Quoted:
It's funny how some get offended at those who would buy the Colt. Yeah you can build your own and save a grand, but there are those who see value in a Colt. And my point originally is I think it's a solid investment. If they really have discontinued those already, all those guys who were "dumb enough" to buy one at $2,500 will laugh all the way to the bank as they go up in value. TheLi market for Colt stuff isn't "rational", but it exists nontheless. The Python isn't a rare revolver by any means. On any day you can find a good 50 for sale, and you can get any configuration you can imagine. But the prices are just insane. I mean, yeah it's a superior .357, but it isn't 4x better than any of the other .357's out there. So its not better enough to justify the price, and they're not "rare" by a long freaking shot. So the market isn't really rational...yet, that market (as in the prices) have been stable for coming on to 10 years, and I don't see those prices going down. So while it doesn't make sense, it just IS. So the new A1 is a very solid investment in my opinion (not that my opinion is worth anything). It's like in the M1 Carbine collecting world. The new production "Inlands" are good rifles but will never have the same value as a REAL WWII carbine. And the Winchester Carbines and Garands made in WWII are HIDEOUS! The milling on them is ridiculously rough and it doesn't make since that car parts manufacturers and typewriter factories can make a finer finished firearm than the famous Winchester! But collectors put a premium on the ragged Winnies. Me I'll take a Springfield Garand and an Inland Carbine over Winnies every day of the week and twice on Sunday. And I'll take my NDS and Brownell lowers over the over priced Colt SP1 lowers. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/31/2018 11:58:22 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting, I would really like to know who's making the reproduction furniture and if it will ever be sold anywhere besides on these reproduction rifles. Are the heat shields actually riveted in place like the originals?  " /> Handguard on left from the new Colt
|
|
|
|
Posted: 5/31/2018 12:46:35 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
https://s22.postimg.cc/9buwyi2s1/AC1166_E3-16_D1-4_F9_C-_A390-_DD470_FCF8_BCC.jpg" target="_blank">https://s22.postimg.cc/9buwyi2s1/AC1166_E3-16_D1-4_F9_C-_A390-_DD470_FCF8_BCC.jpg Handguard on left from the new Colt |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/31/2018 1:01:50 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Playing Devil's Advocate... On the other hand, if Colt realizes that they have a potential gold mine in their hands and starts mass producing them at a lower price, that $2,500 could bottom out. I'd definitely love to have a Colt, just to have a Colt, but for me the price was too much. Especially considering that I built an 80% to 90% Colt (only the Lower and LPK aren't Colt), for under $1,000 just 3 years ago. But anyone that has the money and doesn't mind spending it for one of these, I say go for it. I love my A1, so I'd never look down upon someone for buying one. Obviously the exception but it's possible. |
|
|
|
Posted: 5/31/2018 1:17:59 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you Sir! Fine looking family photo! This. For some the Colt Pony makes it "real". It's like in the M1 Carbine collecting world. The new production "Inlands" are good rifles but will never have the same value as a REAL WWII carbine. And the Winchester Carbines and Garands made in WWII are HIDEOUS! The milling on them is ridiculously rough and it doesn't make since that car parts manufacturers and typewriter factories can make a finer finished firearm than the famous Winchester! But collectors put a premium on the ragged Winnies. Me I'll take a Springfield Garand and an Inland Carbine over Winnies every day of the week and twice on Sunday. And I'll take my NDS and Brownell lowers over the over priced Colt SP1 lowers. You should cycle the action on my Colt A2 sometime just to see. It is particularly silky. Not sure it really means anything though. LOL. But I'm with you. I have an Inland Carbine and a Springy Garand. They're technically my Dad's. But I hear you about winchesters. I never owned one. Just another name recognition game played. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/11/2018 3:34:40 PM EDT
[#43]
Been gone awhile fighting the BIG C. BUT bought the M16 and the XM model the past week.SAVED $60 GRAND.
MADDI. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/11/2018 3:35:55 PM EDT
[#44]
Glad they sold a few.
MADDI. |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/11/2018 11:08:23 PM EDT
[#45]
Oh dang. Stay strong. Hang in there. Prayers for healing.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/12/2018 1:43:51 AM EDT
[#46]
Thanks for that a person still with some class left. And I appreciate it Semper-Fi
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/17/2018 9:49:16 PM EDT
[#47]
Are these Colt re-issues also produced with grey receivers? I have seen some early ones that were black, but I am seeing some that look grey. It could be the receivers are just oiled up and reflecting the cameras light.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/771035339 |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/17/2018 11:30:36 PM EDT
[#48]
Grey no black.. 100% happy Marine with Mine.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 6/18/2018 7:22:45 AM EDT
[#49]
Oh boy, there goes $2500.00 bucks on the credit card for me! It looks like maybe earlier ones were black and they corrected that with more recent production versions. I will wait for a gunshow in a week or two to purchase one. Buy one online may yield an early black version....don't want that.
Case in point - grey version from 3 weeks ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8foyoM4Npg&t=4s Black one from 1 month ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj-BvdB3qHc |
|
|
|
Posted: 6/18/2018 7:49:39 AM EDT
[#50]
Been trying to keep up with developments, but I probably missed something.
Have the Colt "reissues" actually been discontinued? Or, is that just some rumor from a dealer trying to sell these things (or some buyer who wants to feel good about his purchase)? If Colt really had to do extensive tooling up as they claim, I find it hard to believe they'd pull the plug before selling a crapload of those things to recoup the investment. |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
