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Posted: 1/13/2021 8:59:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 9:02:11 PM EST by Wasd3r]
Hey there! I live in Moscow, Russia and I've got a couple Russian-made ARs.

My first rifle is a St-Petersburg-made ADAR 2-15. It's basically a no-frills milspec AR with a 16" barrel and a cheap M-Lok handguard. I've dressed it up a bit with Magpul furniture, so this is how it looks now:



Here's a better view of markings on the side:



My other AR is a Moscow-made FORT AR-15. It's a basic AR as well, but this one has a 12,5" barrel, which is the shortest you can have because of overall length requirements.

This is the carbine with the original handguard:



I've since changed the handguard to a Midwest Industries one, and this is how I normally have the FORT set up:



Side markings



A range pic with both rifles



Both rifles have heavy-profile chrome-lined Molot barrels. The upper and lower receivers are supposedly Taiwanese, and smaller components probably come from China. There are companies in Russia that also make ARs and cut their own receivers on CNC's, and I'll probably show them in another post.

Stock triggers were milspec. I currently have KE ARMS SLT-1 triggers in both rifles.


I'd love to answer whatever questions you have, now that I've been able to join the forum.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:05:29 PM EST
What is the law regarding AR or any other rifle ownership in Russia? Can you give a synopsis on it?
In one of the pictures the trigger pins are not in the hole. Looks odd. Is the stock & handguard a Chinese copy?
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:15:04 PM EST
Nice, noticed the same thing about the pins in the picture.  

Would be cool to have one of those in the States, but they will probably never be imported.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:16:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/15/2021 1:23:34 AM EST by Wasd3r]
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Originally Posted By Deussne:
What is the law regarding AR or any other rifle ownership in Russia? Can you give a synopsis on it?
In one of the pictures the trigger pins are not in the hole. Looks odd. Is the stock & handguard a Chinese copy?
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I had issues with trigger pins walking out with the stock trigger on the FORT carbine. It's been fine since I changed the trigger.

The Magpul stocks are authentic, so is the MI handguard. The handguard on the first rifle might be a Chinese copy of something.

You have to own a shotgun for 5 years before you can have a rifle. Semi-auto is allowed, but full-auto is only allowed for blank-firing rifles, which these aren't. Civilian firearms are defined as having a magazine of no more than 10 rounds, but the mags themselves are not regulated, sold openly and no one cares if you use standard or high-cap mags at the range.

There's a firearm registration regime in place. The permit for a shotgun is easy to get though. Just need to be 18, not be a registered addict (and make it through an instant urine drug test) or have certain mental disorders that the state knows about. Also, you have to go through nominal training of like 3 hours of lecture and an easy 10-point quiz at the end. Repeat every 5 years.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:19:16 PM EST
Such irony..Russians making AR-15's, while Americans are making AK-47's.....
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:19:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 9:20:07 PM EST by MadeintheUSA]
Thanks for sharing. That's really cool to see ARs with Russian markings.

What is the cost per round for 5.56/.223?
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:22:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MadeintheUSA:
Thanks for sharing. That's really cool to see ARs with Russian markings.

What is the cost per round for 5.56/.223?
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We're used to buying Tula and Barnaul .223 for about 11 cents a round. Right now it's all being shipped to US to be sold for 60 c/round and we barely get any.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:23:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:



I had issues with trigger pins walking out on with the stock trigger on the FORT carbine. It's been fine since I changed the trigger.

The Magpul stocks are authentic, so is the MI handguard. The handguard on the first rifle might be a chinese copy of something.

You have to own a shotgun for 5 years before you can have a rifle. Semi-auto is allowed, but full-auto is only allowed for blank-firing rifles, which these aren't. Civilian firearms are defined as having a magazine of no more than 10 rounds, but the mags themselves are not regulated, sold openly and no one cares if you use stangard or high-cap mags at the range.

There's a firearm registration regime in place. The permit for a shotgun is easy to get though. Just need to be 18, not be a registered addict (and make it through an instant urine drug test) or have certain mental disorders that the state knows about. Also, you have to go through nominal training of like 3 hours of lecture and an easy 10-point quiz at the end. Repeat every 5 years.
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:
Originally Posted By Deussne:
What is the law regarding AR or any other rifle ownership in Russia? Can you give a synopsis on it?
In one of the pictures the trigger pins are not in the hole. Looks odd. Is the stock & handguard a Chinese copy?



I had issues with trigger pins walking out on with the stock trigger on the FORT carbine. It's been fine since I changed the trigger.

The Magpul stocks are authentic, so is the MI handguard. The handguard on the first rifle might be a chinese copy of something.

You have to own a shotgun for 5 years before you can have a rifle. Semi-auto is allowed, but full-auto is only allowed for blank-firing rifles, which these aren't. Civilian firearms are defined as having a magazine of no more than 10 rounds, but the mags themselves are not regulated, sold openly and no one cares if you use stangard or high-cap mags at the range.

There's a firearm registration regime in place. The permit for a shotgun is easy to get though. Just need to be 18, not be a registered addict (and make it through an instant urine drug test) or have certain mental disorders that the state knows about. Also, you have to go through nominal training of like 3 hours of lecture and an easy 10-point quiz at the end. Repeat every 5 years.
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. Your laws are less strict than some states in the US. How ironic. Do you own any Russian pattern firearms?
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:25:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 9:27:42 PM EST by Blstr89]
What length barrels are on these? Looks like a 16 and maybe 14.5?

Any regulations on barrel lengths? Or can you run any length you want?

ETA: nevermind I see 12.5. You can go down to 12.5 without any additional regulations? Can you go shorter?
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:27:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Deussne:
Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. Your laws are less strict than some states in the US. How ironic. Do you own any Russian pattern firearms?
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I've got this 1969 AKM converted into semi-auto by Molot. Also have a rubber-bullet-only semi-auto pistol, but it's not something you'd recognize.



Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:31:03 PM EST
In for more pictures.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:31:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:


I've got this 1969 AKM converted into semi-auto by Molot. Also have a rubber-bullet-only semi-auto pistol, but it's not something you'd recognize.

https://i.imgur.com/coEQoLc.jpg

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Sweet Jesus!  That is beautiful.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:32:38 PM EST
Very cool. Thank you for sharing.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:32:49 PM EST
Huh, that's pretty cool. Now I want an AR-15 with Russian markings lol.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:34:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/15/2021 1:25:23 AM EST by Wasd3r]
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Originally Posted By Blstr89:
What length barrels are on these? Looks like a 16 and maybe 14.5?

Any regulations on barrel lengths? Or can you run any length you want?

ETA: nevermind I see 12.5. You can go down to 12.5 without any additional regulations? Can you go shorter?
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Russian law mandates minimal overall length of 800mm in fireable condition. AK's with folding stocks comply by having a blocking mechanism built into the trigger group that only lets rifles fire with the stock unfolded.

Another requirement is having a barrel length of 500mm if the barrel is detachable or having the length of 500 with the receiver.

Now, the AR kind of wrecked the Russian gun law, since the receiver as the regulated part is defined as taking part in the locking of the firearm, like in an AK. Which is not the way it is on an AR. Since the AR barrel is certainly more detachable than an ak barrel, and also the gun is able to fire with the stock removed, 12,5" is cutting it really close, and is only sold with a stock pinned in place.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:36:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/15/2021 1:25:31 AM EST by Wasd3r]
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Sweet Jesus!  That is beautiful.
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Thanks. I'll keep it stock, since so many of them have been tacticoolized in the abscence of affordable AR-15's.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:37:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 9:42:00 PM EST by Soberglitch]
I’ll trade you an American made AK for one of those. No lowballing, I know what I have!

But in all seriousness, how much would something like that cost in Russia? Are these more on the budget side of rifles or would something like this be a more rare and premium option? Is your availability to AR-15s pretty scarce?
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:39:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 9:47:31 PM EST by JLS81]
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:



I had issues with trigger pins walking out on with the stock trigger on the FORT carbine. It's been fine since I changed the trigger.

The Magpul stocks are authentic, so is the MI handguard. The handguard on the first rifle might be a Chinese copy of something.

You have to own a shotgun for 5 years before you can have a rifle. Semi-auto is allowed, but full-auto is only allowed for blank-firing rifles, which these aren't. Civilian firearms are defined as having a magazine of no more than 10 rounds, but the mags themselves are not regulated, sold openly and no one cares if you use stangard or high-cap mags at the range.

There's a firearm registration regime in place. The permit for a shotgun is easy to get though. Just need to be 18, not be a registered addict (and make it through an instant urine drug test) or have certain mental disorders that the state knows about. Also, you have to go through nominal training of like 3 hours of lecture and an easy 10-point quiz at the end. Repeat every 5 years.
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Your Kalash rocks the house!!

Where is the optimal city / location for a Russian version of Battlefield Las Vegas?

Every AR nerd must have Russian version.

Thanks for sharing!
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:43:05 PM EST
Moscow, I guess. Nothing as cool with lots of guns to rent as BF Vegas, but some local enthusiasts will be willing to share some cool guns.

If you just want to stare at the exceedingly weird and rare stuff, go to the Tula firearms museum. All-bakelite bullpup carbines await.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:48:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/15/2021 3:45:20 AM EST by Wasd3r]
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Originally Posted By Soberglitch:
I’ll trade you an American made AK for one of those. No lowballing, I know what I have!

But in all seriousness, how much would something like that cost in Russia? Are these more on the budget side of rifles or would something like this be a more rare and premium option? Is your availability to AR-15s pretty scarce?
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I got this AK second hand for $300 last summer. Budget ARs like these in their stock form start at $1400. Considering the average monthly salary of $540 we still have a long way to go. But it looks like it's been getting better in the last couple of years with more manufacturers starting to make AR's. In a lot of ways it's a reaction to us living under US arms sale sanctions imposed by the previous administration.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:55:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:


I got this AK second hand for $300 last summer. The budget ARs like these in their stock form start at $1400. Considering the average monthly salary of $540 we still have a long way to go. But it looks like it's been getting better in the last couple of years with more manufacturers starting to make AR's. In a lot of ways it's a reaction to us living under US arms sale sanctions imposed by the previous administration.
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Governments suck! If left alone we could manage to sell and trade wonderful firearms to each others citizens.

What does a Mosin Nagant sell for in Russia?
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 9:59:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/15/2021 3:45:32 AM EST by Wasd3r]
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Originally Posted By JLS81:


Governments suck! If left alone we could manage to sell and trade wonderful firearms to each others citizens.

What does a Mosin Nagant sell for in Russia?
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Ditto on governments sucking.

Okay Mosin examples go for $300+, because so many of them have been exported to the US.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 10:23:59 PM EST
Can you go for a drive, find some "public" land and just start shooting or is it restricted to ranges only?
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 10:24:34 PM EST
Here's another picture of the FORT AR-15 with a 45-round Russian PufGun mag.

They make them in pink as well as a lot of other colors. They're light for their size and tend to work fine.

Link Posted: 1/13/2021 10:26:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 10:28:29 PM EST by Wasd3r]
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Originally Posted By JohnSmith6073:
Can you go for a drive, find some "public" land and just start shooting or is it restricted to ranges only?
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It is restricted to ranges. Certainly doesn't stop everyone from shooting wherever is convenient and far from unwanted attention. But there's been some recent changes allowing "sighting in" at the hunting grounds.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 10:28:51 PM EST
Are you an American? Your English is better than many of our US posters.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 10:33:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AS556:
Are you an American? Your English is better than many of our US posters.
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Thanks. Nope, born and raised in Russia. I had private language lessons as a kid, and then I practiced by reading forums and articles and consuming a lot of Youtube videos and American TV shows.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 10:37:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:

Thanks. Nope, born and raised in Russia. I had private language lessons as a kid, and then I practiced by reading forums and articles and consuming a lot of Youtube videos and American TV shows.
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Interesting. If you are interested in current events and politics check out the General section of the site. Input from foreign members is always welcome in my opinion.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 10:37:51 PM EST
Sacrelige!
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 10:41:26 PM EST
This is an awesome post, thanks op
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 10:47:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/13/2021 10:48:21 PM EST by TGE]
I love your ARs, and wish I had a way to get a receiver set like those. Very cool, thanks for sharing.

One thing on those trigger pins walking, the first thing I'd always check is that your trigger springs are installed in the correct orientation. If the spring on the hammer is backwards you can get light primer strikes and movement on the pin. If it's oriented correctly, as below, it should hold the pin in place. If you installed a new trigger yourself and the problem went away, that probably means you got the springs right.

Anyway, just an AR tip for future reference. Don't ask me how I know


Link Posted: 1/13/2021 10:52:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TGE:
I love your ARs, and wish I had a way to get a receiver set like those. Very cool, thanks for sharing.

One thing on those trigger pins walking, the first thing I'd always check is that your trigger springs are installed in the correct orientation. If the spring on the hammer is backwards you can get light primer strikes and movement on the pin. If it's oriented correctly, as below, it should hold the pin in place. If you installed a new trigger yourself and the problem went away, that probably means you got the springs right.

Anyway, just an AR tip for future reference. Don't ask me how I know

https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/788/788204.jpg
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Thanks!
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 10:53:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:



I had issues with trigger pins walking out on with the stock trigger on the FORT carbine. It's been fine since I changed the trigger.

The Magpul stocks are authentic, so is the MI handguard. The handguard on the first rifle might be a Chinese copy of something.

You have to own a shotgun for 5 years before you can have a rifle. Semi-auto is allowed, but full-auto is only allowed for blank-firing rifles, which these aren't. Civilian firearms are defined as having a magazine of no more than 10 rounds, but the mags themselves are not regulated, sold openly and no one cares if you use standard or high-cap mags at the range.

There's a firearm registration regime in place. The permit for a shotgun is easy to get though. Just need to be 18, not be a registered addict (and make it through an instant urine drug test) or have certain mental disorders that the state knows about. Also, you have to go through nominal training of like 3 hours of lecture and an easy 10-point quiz at the end. Repeat every 5 years.
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So it's easier to own a rifle in Russia than some American states!
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 10:53:56 PM EST
Is night vision/ thermal equipment available for you to buy there ? I have a Russian made IR laser on one of my ARs.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 11:02:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ROOSTER15:
Is night vision/ thermal equipment available for you to buy there ? I have a Russian made IR laser on one of my ARs.
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That really is a great and interesting question. A lot of guys here are using Russian PERST IR laser/illuminators. One I've shot with several times has a PERST 3 and it's good. The illuminator especially is very strong.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 11:04:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ROOSTER15:
Is night vision/ thermal equipment available for you to buy there ? I have a Russian made IR laser on one of my ARs.
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Night vision equipment is forbidden to be installed on firearms, unless it's certified as hunting-type equipment. And almost all of it is certified that way, so we can do whatever. Armor of all types is also available and is pretty much unregulated.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 11:11:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AS556:
Are you an American? Your English is better than many of our US posters.
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I was thinking the same
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 11:13:53 PM EST
Very cool OP. Foreign  made ARs are an interesting subject, and interesting to see That AK is really nice! Too bad we have the stupid ATF that says once a machine gun, always a machine gun. Which is not true, but the ATF still believes it. I am subscribed to a few Russian gun channels and enjoy watching a video here and there.
Link Posted: 1/13/2021 11:14:56 PM EST
That's really cool.  Thanks for sharing.
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Originally Posted By Chaos_engage:
That's really cool.  Thanks for sharing.
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Link Posted: 1/13/2021 11:28:50 PM EST
Fascinating thread, very cool.  Thanks OP
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 12:06:07 AM EST
Could you translate mag well marking to English. Like to know what it says.
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Originally Posted By HOSS72198:
Could you translate mag well marking to English. Like to know what it says.
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Top picture:

Made in Russia
LLC "ADAR"
ADAR 2-15
.223 Rem

Bottom picture:

Made in Russia
LLC "Fort"
Fort AR-15-04
Cal. 223 Rem
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 12:12:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:

Top picture:

Made in Russia
LLC "ADAR"
ADAR 2-15
.223 Rem

Bottom picture:

Made in Russia
LLC "Fort"
Fort AR-15-04
Cal. 223 Rem
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Cool, thanks!
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 12:35:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/14/2021 12:36:15 AM EST by conFederica]
Neat thread and this got me wondering about the cost of living in your country after seeing your monthly salary. It makes sense after seeing this.  


Summary of cost of living in Russia
Family of four estimated monthly costs: $2,077 (руб 152,565)
Single person estimated monthly costs: $1,065 (руб 78,274)
Russia is the 2nd cheapest country in Eastern Europe (11 out of 12)
Cost of living in Russia is cheaper than in 88% of countries in the World (67 out of 76)


What are your seasons like there? Like how long are the winter months?
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 12:40:53 AM EST
Nyet, rifle is fine.
Awesome pics OP, thanks for sharing.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 12:43:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By conFederica:
Neat thread and this got me wondering about the cost of living in your country after seeing your monthly salary. It makes sense after seeing this.  


Summary of cost of living in Russia
Family of four estimated monthly costs: $2,077 (руб 152,565)
Single person estimated monthly costs: $1,065 (руб 78,274)
Russia is the 2nd cheapest country in Eastern Europe (11 out of 12)
Cost of living in Russia is cheaper than in 88% of countries in the World (67 out of 76)


What are your seasons like there? Like how long are the winter months?
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Got to say, those are some pretty optimistic monthly costs. See my $540 average monthly salary comment above.

In Moscow summers are hot with temperatures up to +30 celsius. Winter lasts 3-4 months. We expect -26 celsius next monday. So it's all very defined, get to see all different seasons.
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 12:50:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wasd3r:



I had issues with trigger pins walking out on with the stock trigger on the FORT carbine. It's been fine since I changed the trigger.
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Здравствуйте
Вы неправильно поставили пружину от основания курка нужно её перевернуть в другую сторону и всё будет работать и не будут больше никакие штифты выскакивать
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 1:03:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/14/2021 1:05:08 AM EST by FlyingMailman]
Very interesting! If only the sanctions weren't in place. A Russian-made AR would be incredibly cool to have, especially with a Molot barrel. I have some Veprs from before the sanctions with the RPK-type (though 16"/40cm) heavy barrel and that thing is a tank! Molot makes some of the best barrels in the world, and I'd love to have an AR one.

As an AK fan, I'm drooling over that AKM. If you could sell that in the United States it would put quite a bit of money in your pocket. Even Russian AKM kits built here on US receivers with inferior US AK barrels go for many thousands of dollars. I have a SGL-21 (Izmash Saiga converted by Arsenal Inc to be basically a semi auto AK103) and the aforementioned Molot Vepr FMs, and I'm spoiled because no other country's AKs I've owned, shot, or handled were anywhere near the level of quality of the Russian ones, though the Bulgarian Arsenal AKs come close. I just wish we could get more. Americans can't make 100% US AKs anywhere near the quality of the imports from Russia and Bulgaria. On the other hand, it looks like Russians have figured out how to make the AR just fine! It'd be so cool to have a Russian AR15.

So before the sanctions, were there ARs imported to Russia from the US? One post above sounded like that might've been the case. If so, what brands were imported over there?
Link Posted: 1/14/2021 1:03:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/14/2021 1:04:31 AM EST by olds442tyguy]
That's pretty awesome and now you have 10% of the site debating a move to Russia.

Spasiba! (Had a thing with a Russian girl one time)
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