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Posted: 9/9/2023 8:08:39 AM EST
I ordered the following RTB 16" upper and am annoyed to see that the wrench flats on the flash hider are underneath the handguard. Assuming it is due to the shorter chamber of a 16" .22LR barrel compared to 5.56. I plan on taking the MD on and off for a suppressor. Not sure what they were thinking here, maybe very few people actually take their MDs off?
https://www.righttobear.com/rtb-complete-16-22lr-lightweight-upper-receiver-fde-a2-15-m-lok-with-bcg-ch/ |
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Posted: 9/9/2023 8:17:00 AM EST
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That is just the nature of the beast when you use a 15" handguard with a 16" 22lr barrel. Remember that a 22LR barrel actually sits 1 1/2" further back into the receiver compared to centerfire barrels. So you will just have to remove the handguard to remove the muzzle device. And if you don't like having part of the muzzle device covered then swap to a 13" handguard instead.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2023 8:25:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By OHBuckeyes: I ordered the following RTB 16" upper and am annoyed to see that the wrench flats on the flash hider are underneath the handguard. Assuming it is due to the shorter chamber of a 16" .22LR barrel compared to 5.56. I plan on taking the MD on and off for a suppressor. Not sure what they were thinking here, maybe very few people actually take their MDs off? https://www.righttobear.com/rtb-complete-16-22lr-lightweight-upper-receiver-fde-a2-15-m-lok-with-bcg-ch/ Exactly. It is only a problem for you and your situation. I have a similar setup from PSA, with their 15" handguard, and it is fine. I did swap the MD, but it was a one time deal and will remain that way forevermore. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2023 9:30:08 AM EST
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You could always take of that rail and install a shorter one. That is what I dislike about 15" rails for that exact reason.
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USA
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Posted: 9/9/2023 9:51:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mav3rick: You could always take of that rail and install a shorter one. That is what I dislike about 15" rails for that exact reason. The entire point of buying the upper is that it came with a cheap handguard that is functional enough for a .22LR. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2023 10:51:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: s4s4u]
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: The entire point of buying the upper is that it came with a cheap handguard that is functional enough for a .22LR. Still cheap with the shorter handguard 
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2023 11:28:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: The entire point of buying the upper is that it came with a cheap handguard that is functional enough for a .22LR. agreed. That post after shows one they sell with shorter rail. Probably best option |
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Posted: 9/9/2023 12:09:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By OHBuckeyes: I ordered the following RTB 16" upper and am annoyed to see that the wrench flats on the flash hider are underneath the handguard. Assuming it is due to the shorter chamber of a 16" .22LR barrel compared to 5.56. I plan on taking the MD on and off for a suppressor. Not sure what they were thinking here, maybe very few people actually take their MDs off? https://www.righttobear.com/rtb-complete-16-22lr-lightweight-upper-receiver-fde-a2-15-m-lok-with-bcg-ch/ Sorry to read about your troubles with the handguard and barrel pairing. We appreciate you choosing our parts for your .22LR build. We absolutely see your point and plan on expanding our .22 FDE upper selection before the end of the year to include a wider variety of options. Please keep in mind we stand behind our upper 100% and it is completely insured if our parts don't function like they should. If you see a handguard on our site you'd like to purchase or have one on hand, we will send you a prepaid label to ship it back here where our gunsmith will install it for you at no charge. Please reach out to us at [email protected] anytime if you have questions or want the free swap. |
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Posted: 9/9/2023 12:19:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: TREETOP]
[#8]
You can just slide a large flathead screwdriver through the flash suppressor slots and remove/reinstall it that way.
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USA
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Posted: 9/9/2023 1:52:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryNot the same barrel, that is the M4 profile.
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USA
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Posted: 9/9/2023 1:53:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SailorJ: Sorry to read about your troubles with the handguard and barrel pairing. We appreciate you choosing our parts for your .22LR build. We absolutely see your point and plan on expanding our .22 FDE upper selection before the end of the year to include a wider variety of options. Please keep in mind we stand behind our upper 100% and it is completely insured if our parts don't function like they should. If you see a handguard on our site you'd like to purchase or have one on hand, we will send you a prepaid label to ship it back here where our gunsmith will install it for you at no charge. Please reach out to us at [email protected] anytime if you have questions or want the free swap. Thank you, I really do appreciate that and I will be reaching out. This isn't my first RTB upper, I have a black upper with a shorter handguard. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2023 2:09:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: Not the same barrel, that is the M4 profile. So you not only want your cake, but to eat it too? |
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USA
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Posted: 9/9/2023 4:49:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By s4s4u: So you not only want your cake, but to eat it too? No I just don't want an M4 profile barrel on a .22LR gun. |
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Posted: 9/9/2023 6:07:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: No I just don't want an M4 profile barrel on a .22LR gun. Some like as long of a handguard as they can get while others doe not. It is a personal preference with no right or wrong answer. If it was me, I would remove the handguard to swap out the flash hider and then reinstall the handguard. A 15" handguard on a 16" barrel doesn't bother me. |
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Posted: 9/9/2023 9:28:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: Capt_Destro]
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Originally Posted By OHBuckeyes: I ordered the following RTB 16" upper and am annoyed to see that the wrench flats on the flash hider are underneath the handguard. Assuming it is due to the shorter chamber of a 16" .22LR barrel compared to 5.56. I plan on taking the MD on and off for a suppressor. Not sure what they were thinking here, maybe very few people actually take their MDs off? https://www.righttobear.com/rtb-complete-16-22lr-lightweight-upper-receiver-fde-a2-15-m-lok-with-bcg-ch/ At the time they ordered did they not have a picture of it? You can see that flats inside the handguard. Gonna be honest it's probably really easy to overlook until you zoom in. Kind of ran into a similar situation with a 9mm build. Ended up just removing the HG to install the MD. Depending on your needs (suppressor mount/clearance understandably I'd want to go shorter.) If you don't need to go shorter... I have a few of those handguards. Taking them off is no big deal. Remove FH, Reinstall new muzzle device. Slide handguard back on. Biggest pain is degreasing and rethread locking screws/rezeroing the front sight. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/9/2023 11:37:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chumpmiester: I suggest you take up RTB's offer to get the 15" handguard swapped for a 13" handguard. Some like as long of a handguard as they can get while others doe not. It is a personal preference with no right or wrong answer. If it was me, I would remove the handguard to swap out the flash hider and then reinstall the handguard. A 15" handguard on a 16" barrel doesn't bother me. Yea I misread there post, I thought they were going swap it. Buying another HG and then sending it to them to install is suboptimal. Guess I'm just stuck with this thing. Not worth buying another HG, just kind of annoying... |
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USA
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Posted: 9/9/2023 11:39:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capt_Destro: At the time they ordered did they not have a picture of it? You can see that flats inside the handguard. Gonna be honest it's probably really easy to overlook until you zoom in. Kind of ran into a similar situation with a 9mm build. Ended up just removing the HG to install the MD. Depending on your needs (suppressor mount/clearance understandably I'd want to go shorter.) If you don't need to go shorter... I have a few of those handguards. Taking them off is no big deal. Remove FH, Reinstall new muzzle device. Slide handguard back on. Biggest pain is degreasing and rethread locking screws/rezeroing the front sight. It just wasn't on my radar to consider. You can tell if you are specifically looking for it but it doesn't stand out. |
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Posted: 9/10/2023 8:29:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: Yea I misread there post, I thought they were going swap it. Buying another HG and then sending it to them to install is suboptimal. Guess I'm just stuck with this thing. Not worth buying another HG, just kind of annoying... And having to remove the handguard to change a muzzle device is common especially for those of us that have 4.5" AR pistols with 4" handguards. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/10/2023 10:07:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chumpmiester: It might be annoying to you but it really is not a big deal. Just remove the handguard and then replace the muzzle device. Free float handguards are not difficult to remove or reinstall. Chalk this up as a learning experience for yourself and pay more attention to things before you make a purchase from now on. And having to remove the handguard to change a muzzle device is common especially for those of us that have 4.5" AR pistols with 4" handguards. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chumpmiester: Originally Posted By OHBuckeyes: Yea I misread there post, I thought they were going swap it. Buying another HG and then sending it to them to install is suboptimal. Guess I'm just stuck with this thing. Not worth buying another HG, just kind of annoying... And having to remove the handguard to change a muzzle device is common especially for those of us that have 4.5" AR pistols with 4" handguards. No need to remove handguard:   Just spend $$$. Griffin Armament 9mm CAM-LOK adapters and a short bbl. ext. on the FH. Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with or financial interest in any vendor or manufacturer. I am not a competitive shooter or a blogger who receives any form of compensation or sponsorship for endorsements, or favorable public or private comments. I do not have a website, podcasts, webinars, or online videos; or books/magazine articles. Use of vendor and/or product brand names, if any, is for informational purposes only; and products or services were purchased by me from regular commercial sources. Best of luck. MHO, YMMV, etc. Be well. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/10/2023 4:28:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: OHBuckeyes]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chumpmiester: It might be annoying to you but it really is not a big deal. Just remove the handguard and then replace the muzzle device. Free float handguards are not difficult to remove or reinstall. Chalk this up as a learning experience for yourself and pay more attention to things before you make a purchase from now on. And having to remove the handguard to change a muzzle device is common especially for those of us that have 4.5" AR pistols with 4" handguards. When I built my 4.5" I put a KAK flash can on so that it stuck out and gave me something to grab onto. Maybe I'll just throw one on this gun as well, not like I really need a comp. But the point is that it isn't a one time change, but every time I shoot surpressed. The more I think about it, I probably won't shoot the 16" suppressed b/c I would have to buy special ammo. So it may end up not even being a factor. I stand by my original comment that is isn't optimum but not a major deal either. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2023 7:29:32 AM EST
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It would take all of about 30-seconds to remove that handguard.
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2023 2:21:27 PM EST
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I occasionally get suppressors stuck under handguards. 30 seconds is rather generous...back two screws off 1 turn and she's free.
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USA
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Posted: 9/11/2023 2:43:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Erik72: It would take all of about 30-seconds to remove that handguard. How many uppers do you have that require the removal of the handguard to mount a suppressor? |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/11/2023 2:48:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: How many uppers do you have that require the removal of the handguard to mount a suppressor? To be fair, nowhere in their ad do they reference suppressors, and it is quite plain to see that the flats of the muzzle device are covered up by the handguard in the pictures that they provide. |
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Posted: 9/11/2023 3:52:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TREETOP: You can just slide a large flathead screwdriver through the flash suppressor slots and remove/reinstall it that way. ^^^this |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2023 1:42:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By OHBuckeyes: I ordered the following RTB 16" upper and am annoyed to see that the wrench flats on the flash hider are underneath the handguard. Assuming it is due to the shorter chamber of a 16" .22LR barrel compared to 5.56. I plan on taking the MD on and off for a suppressor. Not sure what they were thinking here, maybe very few people actually take their MDs off? https://www.righttobear.com/rtb-complete-16-22lr-lightweight-upper-receiver-fde-a2-15-m-lok-with-bcg-ch/ Originally Posted By OHBuckeyes: The entire point of buying the upper is that it came with a cheap handguard that is functional enough for a .22LR. Holy crap man.....this can't be real. You saw the way the flash hider was mounted in the picture, and you ordered it anyway. You refuse to remove the handguard yourself to swap the flashhider for the one you want. Then you start a thread that somehow....this is the fault of RTB ?? And when others in this thread point this out.....you double down on your erroneous position. OP....your wrong.....in more than a few ways. . |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2023 8:08:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: How many uppers do you have that require the removal of the handguard to mount a suppressor? For 22LR, I only hand tighten muzzle devices. Especially if I'm using a crush washer...just a little pressure against it will keep it from coming loose. |
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Posted: 9/12/2023 8:26:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IdahoPCCinc: Holy crap man.....this can't be real. You saw the way the flash hider was mounted in the picture, and you ordered it anyway. You refuse to remove the handguard yourself to swap the flashhider for the one you want. Then you start a thread that somehow....this is the fault of RTB ?? And when others in this thread point this out.....you double down on your erroneous position. OP....your wrong.....in more than a few ways. . I chalk it up to not paying attention to the photos before purchasing and also on buyer's remorse. And we all know that some people will always find something to complain about. The OP was given several simple solutions from taking the handguard off or sticking a flat tip screw driver into the flash hider to remove it. |
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Posted: 9/12/2023 10:28:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: How many uppers do you have that require the removal of the handguard to mount a suppressor? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: Originally Posted By Erik72: It would take all of about 30-seconds to remove that handguard. How many uppers do you have that require the removal of the handguard to mount a suppressor? A couple actually. 
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Posted: 9/12/2023 11:57:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capt_Destro: A couple actually. 
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ID, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2023 1:08:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capt_Destro: A couple actually. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capt_Destro: Originally Posted By OHBuckeyes: Originally Posted By Erik72: It would take all of about 30-seconds to remove that handguard. How many uppers do you have that require the removal of the handguard to mount a suppressor? A couple actually. I think I have about half dozen or so uppers that are submerged under a handguard. This includes .22, a few 9mm, and 5.56 uppers. And with my Spikes ST-22.....the muzzle device flats are slightly submerged under the handguard. The suppressor is threaded to that and is hand tightened. . |
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USA
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Posted: 9/15/2023 2:36:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By IdahoPCCinc: I think I have about half dozen or so uppers that are submerged under a handguard. This includes .22, a few 9mm, and 5.56 uppers. And with my Spikes ST-22.....the muzzle device flats are slightly submerged under the handguard. The suppressor is threaded to that and is hand tightened. . So to be clear, you have none that require removal of the HG each time? Obvious difference between a suppressor that is submerged in the HG but can be added and removed without taking the HG. And since in general .22LR suppressors are direct thread, that isn't really an option with most suppressor setups. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/15/2023 2:37:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capt_Destro: At the time they ordered did they not have a picture of it? You can see that flats inside the handguard. Gonna be honest it's probably really easy to overlook until you zoom in. Kind of ran into a similar situation with a 9mm build. Ended up just removing the HG to install the MD. Depending on your needs (suppressor mount/clearance understandably I'd want to go shorter.) If you don't need to go shorter... I have a few of those handguards. Taking them off is no big deal. Remove FH, Reinstall new muzzle device. Slide handguard back on. Biggest pain is degreasing and rethread locking screws/rezeroing the front sight. Sounds like a poorly thought out set up.
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Posted: 9/15/2023 3:33:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: Sounds like a poorly thought out set up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: Originally Posted By Capt_Destro: At the time they ordered did they not have a picture of it? You can see that flats inside the handguard. Gonna be honest it's probably really easy to overlook until you zoom in. Kind of ran into a similar situation with a 9mm build. Ended up just removing the HG to install the MD. Depending on your needs (suppressor mount/clearance understandably I'd want to go shorter.) If you don't need to go shorter... I have a few of those handguards. Taking them off is no big deal. Remove FH, Reinstall new muzzle device. Slide handguard back on. Biggest pain is degreasing and rethread locking screws/rezeroing the front sight. Sounds like a poorly thought out set up. On the plus side I'm not the one who purchased it.
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KS, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2023 7:28:41 PM EST
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Have you given any thought to chopping the handguard down? Mark it off, use a Dremel to rough cut, then smooth it off with files. Should be fairly easy.
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Posted: 9/15/2023 7:41:47 PM EST
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I was not familiar with this company, but after seeing their reaction above I will certainly consider doing business with them in the future.
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/15/2023 8:19:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capt_Destro: On the plus side I'm not the one who purchased it.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2023 9:43:28 AM EST
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With the Griffin Armament quick disconnect CAM LOK adapter system that I noted upthread, it takes less than ten seconds to go from mounted muzzle device to mounted silencer; likewise less than ten seconds to go from mounted silencer to mounted muzzle device. No tools needed (or to forget to bring to the range). No screws to lose. No threads to strip. FWIW, about a hundred years ago, interrupted thread adapters similar to the CAM LOK were commonly used to mount silencers on .22 firearms.; then the 1934 NFA came along. I quick swap the same silencer between four .22LR firearms - two pistols and two rifles - so only one of the silencer pieces is needed, but I have four of the muzzle adapters, one mounted and thread locked to the respective firearm barrels.
Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with or financial interest in any vendor or manufacturer. I am not a competitive shooter or a blogger who receives any form of compensation or sponsorship for endorsements, or favorable public or private comments. I do not have a website, podcasts, webinars, or online videos; or books/magazine articles. Use of vendor and/or product brand names, if any, is for informational purposes only; and products or services were purchased by me from regular commercial sources. Best of luck. MHO, YMMV, etc. Be well. |
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Posted: 9/16/2023 9:48:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: How many uppers do you have that require the removal of the handguard to mount a suppressor? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OHBuckeyes: Originally Posted By Erik72: It would take all of about 30-seconds to remove that handguard. How many uppers do you have that require the removal of the handguard to mount a suppressor? Since you should NEVER remove or install a torqued MD without clamping on the barrel first, ALL of them. |
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USA
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Posted: 9/16/2023 7:29:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK: Since you should NEVER remove or install a torqued MD without clamping on the barrel first, ALL of them. I'll stick with a hand tight KAK flash can on a .22lr and MI upper receiver rod for everything else. A lot easier. This will end up working fine.  |
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