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Posted: 3/17/2020 8:30:17 PM EDT
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Try this thread: https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Picture_posting_tutorial_and_PICTURE_test_thread/168-638569/?
I recommend uploading to imgur (click New Post on the upper left) then you simply copy the image's url into the box here. Make sure it ends in .jpg and not linking to your upload admin page. |
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Posted: 3/18/2020 10:21:45 PM EDT
[#2]
If you transfer it to me, I'll take pics and upload.
 Seriously, eager to see pics. 
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Posted: 3/20/2020 7:59:08 PM EDT
[#3]
I've been patiently waiting...
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Posted: 3/20/2020 9:21:37 PM EDT
[#4]
Yep same. I’ll bet @aeyoung is as well (unless he already knows every detail of the rifle)
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Posted: 3/20/2020 10:00:17 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep same. I’ll bet @aeyoung is as well (unless he already knows every detail of the rifle) I’m waiting but not patiently lol |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 9:56:37 AM EDT
[#6]
@rekraps1
You can email pics to anyone here and they'll post them if you don't know how. |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 11:01:18 AM EDT
[#7]
The OP can find and acquire a transferable early 604 but can't upload pics to Imgur and post them.
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Posted: 3/21/2020 11:52:15 AM EDT
[#8]
Here are his pics.
          
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Posted: 3/21/2020 11:55:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here are his pics. https://i.imgur.com/TDfqi3w.jpg https://i.imgur.com/N6Png9V.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XAHLMhM.jpg https://i.imgur.com/FVx3Y5Y.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2L0n7f3.jpg https://i.imgur.com/j1NVkHN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Q1Rwj88.jpg https://i.imgur.com/CjIrnno.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kUGrulk.jpg Nice 
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Posted: 3/21/2020 1:05:40 PM EDT
[#10]
Oh boy! What a beauty!
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Posted: 3/21/2020 1:48:57 PM EDT
[#11]
Guys, thanks for your patience. I was having issues posting pics, so a fellow forum member contacted me via email and I forwarded my pics to him, he will post shortly.
Once you see them, I'll be happy to answer questions about the gun, as I have it in my possession. The pic of the mag release button shows it with some dirt on it, I subsequently brushed is off and it is as new. |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 1:50:39 PM EDT
[#12]
I meant the bolt release button. sorry!
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Posted: 3/21/2020 2:22:16 PM EDT
[#13]
That is a beautiful looking piece sir!!
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Posted: 3/21/2020 2:35:06 PM EDT
[#14]
Thank you. Thanks to a hint by a fellow forum member, I tested the gas tube and it is magnetic, which was only used in early models. I'll post. few more facts about this gun later today, for those who are interested in original period pieces.
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Posted: 3/21/2020 3:49:47 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you. Thanks to a hint by a fellow forum member, I tested the gas tube and it is magnetic, which was only used in early models. I'll post. few more facts about this gun later today, for those who are interested in original period pieces. Are you going to shoot it? |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 4:49:58 PM EDT
[#16]
Specific to this gun:
604 upper and lower, 602 fire control and internals Type D buttstock, no trap door Type one buffer, no wrench flats Lower is 602 roll stamped, but clearly a 604 unit Upper is correct Colt proof make, barrel m/vp sapped and "12" Dimpled retaining screw on upper directional Dimpled selector lever Early version bolt release Magnetic steel gas tube Correct fiberglass hand guards Correct pistol grip and set screw All internals Colt CE stamped BCG original, .37 dia early firing pin, scored "P" bolt, early version extractor |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 4:50:33 PM EDT
[#17]
Sure I'll shoot it. Why not!
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Posted: 3/21/2020 5:22:49 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Specific to this gun: 602 fire control and internals All internals Colt CE stamped 601/602/early m16e1/early 604 all shared the same fire control groups. skinny disconnector, wide trigger without the step at the back, CE marked hammer and dimpled CE marked selector. |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 5:47:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Specific to this gun: 604 upper and lower, 602 fire control and internals Type D buttstock, no trap door Type one buffer, no wrench flats Lower is 602 roll stamped, but clearly a 604 unit Upper is correct Colt proof make, barrel m/vp sapped and "12" Dimpled retaining screw on upper directional Dimpled selector lever Early version bolt release Magnetic steel gas tube Correct fiberglass hand guards Correct pistol grip and set screw All internals Colt CE stamped BCG original, .37 dia early firing pin, scored "P" bolt, early version extractor What do you mean the lower is 602 stamped? |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 7:00:13 PM EDT
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Photos of model 602 show the exact same lower receiver roll marks as mine, (Colt AR-15, Cal .223, Serialxxxxx), but mine is not a 602. It is a 604.
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Posted: 3/21/2020 8:00:41 PM EDT
[#21]
Holy smokes that’s nice!
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Posted: 3/21/2020 8:06:55 PM EDT
[#22]
Wow! What a beauty!
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Posted: 3/21/2020 8:39:54 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure I'll shoot it. Why not! Damn right!! 
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Posted: 3/21/2020 8:51:48 PM EDT
[#24]
Very nice acquisition!
Can we get some pics of the entire rifle? |
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Posted: 3/21/2020 9:33:14 PM EDT
[#25]
Oh I was confused because I’ve mainly only seen 602s marked as such
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Posted: 3/22/2020 2:08:26 PM EDT
[#26]
Thanks to you all for your kind remarks about the gun. Quite frankly, I stumbled across it and only learned the details after I purchased it. I've just recently expanded my collection from more traditional semi-auto military style rifles to SMG's (C&R and other). So far, I own this AR-15, a very nice Bridgeport Thompson, a S&W M76, a PPSH-41, a M3 (early version) Greasegun, a Bergmann MP 18.1, two Swedish K's, and a Lanchester.
The history of the guns is not hard to discover, but of them all this AR-15 posed the most challenge. Thanks to several of you, extensive research on the web, the person who sold it to me, and Colt Mfg, I was able to figure out just what it was that I had. I would have thought the production and records of the AR-15/M16 would have been more detailed, but they are not. Seems that just about anything related to variations happened during the early years. My Thompson, almost 80 years old was easier to research. Anyway, I'll send a few more full rifle pics for your enjoyment. My final comment, having served in the military for 11+ years, is that I forgot just how light these guns were. What a pleasure to carry! |
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Posted: 3/22/2020 2:13:04 PM EDT
[#27]
And for you members that are detailed, I know the AR-15 is not a SMG (SMG's by definition use pistol cartridges) so it is just a MG.
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Posted: 3/22/2020 3:55:53 PM EDT
[#28]
Very nice rifle.....
I'd do an FOIA request to see what it's "born on" date actually was......many of the MG's coming out of John Keosayians collection that were sold by/thru PA dealers have sparked a bit of controversy in the NFA community http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?90948-The-Colt-employee-s-name-is-John-Keyosayian |
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Posted: 3/22/2020 7:58:28 PM EDT
[#29]
Nice!
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Posted: 3/23/2020 8:50:54 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Very nice rifle..... I'd do an FOIA request to see what it's "born on" date actually was......many of the MG's coming out of John Keosayians collection that were sold by/thru PA dealers have sparked a bit of controversy in the NFA community http://www.uzitalk.com/forums/showthread.php?90948-The-Colt-employee-s-name-is-John-Keyosayian WOW, that is some interesting reading |
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Posted: 3/23/2020 11:24:55 AM EDT
[#31]
Sounds like lots of "behind the scenes" guns were made or traded, however as long as they were registered and have a valid Tax stamp, you are good to go. For those who are looking for unique examples, the sale of the estate is a once in a lifetime opportunity.
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Posted: 3/23/2020 1:48:02 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sounds like lots of "behind the scenes" guns were made or traded, however as long as they were registered and have a valid Tax stamp, you are good to go. For those who are looking for unique examples, the sale of the estate is a once in a lifetime opportunity. I would think SOME of them would be problem free, but I sure wouldn’t want to invest/risk my money on one of the so-called “pre 86” ones that have receiver features that DID NOT YET EXIST in 1986. |
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Posted: 3/25/2020 8:39:22 PM EDT
[#33]
Gentlemen full rifle pics will be posted in a few.
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Posted: 3/26/2020 4:09:24 AM EDT
[#34]
Nice, Thanks for what has been posted so far, look forward to more.
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Posted: 3/26/2020 9:54:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would think SOME of them would be problem free, but I sure wouldn’t want to invest/risk my money on one of the so-called “pre 86” ones that have receiver features that DID NOT YET EXIST in 1986. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sounds like lots of "behind the scenes" guns were made or traded, however as long as they were registered and have a valid Tax stamp, you are good to go. For those who are looking for unique examples, the sale of the estate is a once in a lifetime opportunity. I would think SOME of them would be problem free, but I sure wouldn’t want to invest/risk my money on one of the so-called “pre 86” ones that have receiver features that DID NOT YET EXIST in 1986. How would it not be a good idea to invest in an extremely unique piece there may only be 1 or 2 of? I love the unique pieces from his estate and have been honored to have a good handful of rifles, uppers and other parts from his estate. Now is the time to buy unique pieces before they are all gone and prices shoot up or they are never seen again. |
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Posted: 3/26/2020 10:21:18 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Gentlemen full rifle pics will be posted in a few. I am happy that someone bought it and is sharing it to the community! Always nice to see history displayed instead of locked up from the communities eyes. Fantastic rifle and a once in a lifetime buy! |
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Posted: 3/26/2020 10:28:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How would it not be a good idea to invest in an extremely unique piece there may only be 1 or 2 of? . Like I said, SOME of his pieces would be great to have, but a “so-called” pre 1986 weapon with obvious late RECEIVER features that did not exist in 1986 would be problematic, and COULD be confiscated by the BATFE if/when they feel like it, and you would lose your investment. A lot of registered “M2” carbines magically morphed into “M2” .50 caliber machine guns. Even though the owners had approved paperwork, they lost their weapons. I am not knocking the OP’s purchase, and I think it is an awesome rifle. I am talking about some of the other weapons that came out of the same estate. |
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Posted: 3/26/2020 12:01:26 PM EDT
[#38]
I would like to know what executive/executives have the 14-16 (assuming #5 and #10 were scrapped/destroyed) unaccounted for prototypes from 1958.
  
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Posted: 3/26/2020 12:39:43 PM EDT
[#39]
Sweet!
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Posted: 3/26/2020 8:24:04 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would like to know what executive/executives have the 14-16 (assuming #5 and #10 were scrapped/destroyed) unaccounted for prototypes from 1958. Don’t we ALL . . . |
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Posted: 3/26/2020 8:33:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I would like to know what executive/executives have the 14-16 (assuming #5 and #10 were scrapped/destroyed) unaccounted for prototypes from 1958. Well I know it wasn’t this one as he only had the 1 to the best of my knowledge. It’ll probably be a few more years for them to surface or magically pop up on display at Knight’s lol |
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Posted: 3/26/2020 9:44:00 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I know it wasn’t this one as he only had the 1 to the best of my knowledge. It’ll probably be a few more years for them to surface or magically pop up on display at Knight’s lol Wait... he had one of the prototypes? What serial? |
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Posted: 3/26/2020 10:01:38 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait... he had one of the prototypes? What serial? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well I know it wasn’t this one as he only had the 1 to the best of my knowledge. It’ll probably be a few more years for them to surface or magically pop up on display at Knight’s lol Wait... he had one of the prototypes? What serial? Yes #3 came out of his collection. |
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Posted: 3/27/2020 1:26:52 AM EDT
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Nice rifle, very rare (serial number), all original, and in fantastic condition.
The 200,000 serial number range is an odd mix. Both USGI marked Colt 604's and commercial/export 614's (same except roll marks) are found in this serial range, along with a bunch of other CAR-15 prototypes (not all carbines) in the lower end of this serial number range. The vast majority of the 200,000 series were made in 1965 as was this one (the 200,000 serial number range was again used commercially in the late 60's). 604's have USGI roll stampings, 614's do not. This rifle lacks USGI roll stampings making it a 614. The internals are correct for a 1965 604/614. I would not describe them as being 602 parts in that most of the parts from the 602 carried over to the 604/614 when they went into production in 1964. What makes it rare is that it is 1965 production with commerical/export markings with a serial number above 202,446 (looks like it, can't quite make out the serial number). |
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Posted: 3/27/2020 7:00:14 AM EDT
[#45]
Hya Ekie!! Nice to see you back! Thanks for posting that info.. ^^^^^
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Posted: 3/27/2020 8:04:19 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hya Ekie!! Nice to see you back! Thanks for posting that info.. ^^^^^ Woah. A legend. |
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Posted: 3/27/2020 10:09:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes #3 came out of his collection. That is amazing. |
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Posted: 3/27/2020 3:39:47 PM EDT
[#48]
Thanks for the comments. I have found a picture of an actual 604 (historical) and mine is exactly the same, especially the magazine well stampings (roll marks). 614's also came with Birdcage flash hiders, and mine has an original Duckbill three prong. That plus my conversations wth Colt make me believe this is a 604. Plus, and very important, is the gas tube is steel (magnetic) meaning very early production. Serial 201258.
Of course none of it really matters, as the gun is an original of whatever it is. I'll find the pics and once again ask Matt to upload for everyone to see. What I have discovered is that overtime we seem to come to an consensus, another variant pops up. Just Amazing. when you see the pics, you'll scratch your head. |
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Posted: 3/27/2020 4:16:15 PM EDT
[#49]
Here is a description of the serial # range that I found:
200,000 - 202,446 1965 Commercial/Exxport CAR 15 Series Mine is 201,258 So it looks like around 2,446 guns in this model type were made. What is does not say is 604/614 or otherwise. |
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Posted: 3/27/2020 4:19:46 PM EDT
[#50]
614’s had both flash hiders. Mine came with a duckbill.
Nice partial fence lower for sale on sturm right now. Looks good other than the bolt catch. |
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