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Posted: 5/15/2023 12:20:38 AM EDT
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The late Mk12 Mod 1 kit is 99% there. Sort of the build of Theseus at this point with how many parts I've changed out since I started.
 I'm at 163 days now on the AEM5, hoping I can bring it home soon.  I think these early Titusville rails are pretty cool -- I've only seen one original photo that shows one of these...a later Mod 1 that looks like a ~2007 build from the scope and other parts. I used an unmarked KAC front sight, NOS 2006 long clamp sling mount, and an early KAC bipod adapter with the logo on the bottom. Harris bipod is complete with an original NOS 2007 Pod Loc.   The scope is a 2007 dated USMC issued Leupold 2.5-8 that another member here rehomed, complete with its original A.R.M.S. 22H rings. I added some NOS 2006 dated Butler Creek covers to it since they're often shown in original photos.  Charging handle is an early laser marked example (no lot code and old web address) with the roll-pinned parkerized latch. Seems to have the same slight purple hue to the ano as the rail and the bipod adapter.  Early Titusville FF RAS in all its glory.  From what I can gather, the stamped C keyhole uppers supplanted the raised C keyhole in late 2006/early 2007 -- is that correct? I used a stamped C upper mated to an Intl Mil Co H&R lower on this build.  Thanks to everyone here who shared knowledge and helped source components for this. All parts are NOS or used originals, save for the barrel (Douglas from HCS), lower (Intl Mil Co), brake/collar (Allen Engineering), and some of the paperwork (Modern Arm Resources). Still a few more things to go -- need to trade out the 2004 issued Pelican case for a later USMC issued example and track down an original Ops Inc brake and collar -- but it finally feels close enough to start calling it done. Is there anything I'm missing (other than the suppressor) or got wrong? |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 9:19:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Svensson: The late Mk12 Mod 1 kit is 99% there. Sort of the build of Theseus at this point with how many parts I've changed out since I started. https://i.imgur.com/vdFMuFgh.jpg I'm at 163 days now on the AEM5, hoping I can bring it home soon. https://i.imgur.com/S3oKXgSh.jpg I think these early Titusville rails are pretty cool -- I've only seen one original photo that shows one of these...a later Mod 1 that looks like a ~2007 build from the scope and other parts. I used an unmarked KAC front sight, NOS 2006 long clamp sling mount, and an early KAC bipod adapter with the logo on the bottom. Harris bipod is complete with an original NOS 2007 Pod Loc. https://i.imgur.com/VWV2Gidh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bBogrsWh.jpg The scope is a 2007 dated USMC issued Leupold 2.5-8 that another member here rehomed, complete with its original A.R.M.S. 22H rings. I added some NOS 2006 dated Butler Creek covers to it since they're often shown in original photos. https://i.imgur.com/H0S5WpXh.jpg Charging handle is an early laser marked example (no lot code and old web address) with the roll-pinned parkerized latch. Seems to have the same slight purple hue to the ano as the rail and the bipod adapter. https://i.imgur.com/tlguaphh.jpg Early Titusville FF RAS in all its glory. https://i.imgur.com/r2bCD5vh.jpg From what I can gather, the stamped C keyhole uppers supplanted the raised C keyhole in late 2006/early 2007 -- is that correct? I used a stamped C upper mated to an Intl Mil Co H&R lower on this build. https://i.imgur.com/otGmgLI.jpg Thanks to everyone here who shared knowledge and helped source components for this. All parts are NOS or used originals, save for the barrel (Douglas from HCS), lower (Intl Mil Co), brake/collar (Allen Engineering), and some of the paperwork (Modern Arm Resources). Still a few more things to go -- need to trade out the 2004 issued Pelican case for a later USMC issued example and track down an original Ops Inc brake and collar -- but it finally feels close enough to start calling it done. Is there anything I'm missing (other than the suppressor) or got wrong? That's a fantastic build! |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 10:34:26 PM EDT
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Can someone point me in the direction of a period correct weapon light for a late mod1. Also is there modern head compatibility for old bodies to get some more HP? Not on the up and up for older lights. Thanks!
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Posted: 5/24/2023 2:26:39 PM EDT
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Anyone know where I could get a ARMS 32 Bipod adapter, not for an arm and a leg. Want to replace my KAC bipod adapter
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Posted: 5/24/2023 2:39:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WTFShane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yumago: Anyone know where I could get a ARMS 32 Bipod adapter, not for an arm and a leg. Want to replace my KAC bipod adapter Sent you an email. Edit: just realized I'm on work computer and not linked to personal email. Resending you a PM. |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 8:48:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Svensson: The late Mk12 Mod 1 kit is 99% there. Sort of the build of Theseus at this point with how many parts I've changed out since I started. https://i.imgur.com/vdFMuFgh.jpg I'm at 163 days now on the AEM5, hoping I can bring it home soon. https://i.imgur.com/S3oKXgSh.jpg I think these early Titusville rails are pretty cool -- I've only seen one original photo that shows one of these...a later Mod 1 that looks like a ~2007 build from the scope and other parts. I used an unmarked KAC front sight, NOS 2006 long clamp sling mount, and an early KAC bipod adapter with the logo on the bottom. Harris bipod is complete with an original NOS 2007 Pod Loc. https://i.imgur.com/VWV2Gidh.jpg https://i.imgur.com/bBogrsWh.jpg The scope is a 2007 dated USMC issued Leupold 2.5-8 that another member here rehomed, complete with its original A.R.M.S. 22H rings. I added some NOS 2006 dated Butler Creek covers to it since they're often shown in original photos. https://i.imgur.com/H0S5WpXh.jpg Charging handle is an early laser marked example (no lot code and old web address) with the roll-pinned parkerized latch. Seems to have the same slight purple hue to the ano as the rail and the bipod adapter. https://i.imgur.com/tlguaphh.jpg Early Titusville FF RAS in all its glory. https://i.imgur.com/r2bCD5vh.jpg From what I can gather, the stamped C keyhole uppers supplanted the raised C keyhole in late 2006/early 2007 -- is that correct? I used a stamped C upper mated to an Intl Mil Co H&R lower on this build. https://i.imgur.com/otGmgLI.jpg Thanks to everyone here who shared knowledge and helped source components for this. All parts are NOS or used originals, save for the barrel (Douglas from HCS), lower (Intl Mil Co), brake/collar (Allen Engineering), and some of the paperwork (Modern Arm Resources). Still a few more things to go -- need to trade out the 2004 issued Pelican case for a later USMC issued example and track down an original Ops Inc brake and collar -- but it finally feels close enough to start calling it done. Is there anything I'm missing (other than the suppressor) or got wrong? Very nice build! |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 12:51:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Eruoen]
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Posted: 5/26/2023 9:29:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/28/2023 5:48:31 PM EDT
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So what here is correct for a late mod 0?
Square grayish or round deep black profile? Of course I need to find a KAC mount. 
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Posted: 5/28/2023 7:22:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Toothpicksandkatchup: So what here is correct for a late mod 0? Square grayish or round deep black profile? Of course I need to find a KAC mount. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52932884806_8a8227051d_c.jpg The square grey swivel would be correct for all flavors of Mk12, if I’m not mistaken. |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 7:53:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Toothpicksandkatchup: So what here is correct for a late mod 0? Square grayish or round deep black profile? Of course I need to find a KAC mount. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52932884806_8a8227051d_c.jpg From the SH issued late mod 0 pic dump…  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/28/2023 8:24:59 PM EDT
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perfect thank you guys!
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Posted: 6/1/2023 11:22:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: teamjawbox]
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Posted: 6/3/2023 5:44:58 PM EDT
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Finished a little side project recently that I figured some of y'all might like. It's my take on a mini Mk12 similar to what Silencerco did a while back. It started when I found a Vero Beach Too Long RAS and I figured I had to do something "productive" with it.
 Chambered in 300BLK, should be pretty fun with subs! 
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Posted: 6/3/2023 5:55:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ringer706: Finished a little side project recently that I figured some of y'all might like. It's my take on a mini Mk12 similar to what Silencerco did a while back. It started when I found a Vero Beach Too Long RAS and I figured I had to do something "productive" with it. Chambered in 300BLK, should be pretty fun with subs!https://i.imgur.com/5kJZuRO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7wNC4hP.jpg Looks great! Should be a fun one |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 6:58:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: Looks great! Should be a fun one Thanks, I definitely tried to go "full stupid" on it tracking down all the parts I wanted to use. Was really glad to find the Leupold Mark 4 1.5-5x24 and the PEQ-5 as mini stand-ins for the regular Mark 4 and PEQ-2. |
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Posted: 6/3/2023 8:05:24 PM EDT
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A little H action.
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Posted: 6/3/2023 11:53:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ringer706: Finished a little side project recently that I figured some of y'all might like. It's my take on a mini Mk12 similar to what Silencerco did a while back. It started when I found a Vero Beach Too Long RAS and I figured I had to do something "productive" with it. Chambered in 300BLK, should be pretty fun with subs!https://i.imgur.com/5kJZuRO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7wNC4hP.jpg This rustles my jimmies |
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Posted: 6/4/2023 12:19:11 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/4/2023 6:04:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/7/2023 12:59:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: Sunday family photo from above. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/343681/IMG_3419_jpeg-2840334.JPG Not a bad looking bunch... Question for the brain trust: were the BCGs for Mk12s taken directly from the rifle that supplied the donor lower? I.e., would a Colt lower have a Colt BCG, H&R gets an H&R BCG, etc? Or were newer M16 BCGs used to build the rifles? I feel like I read this once but can't seem to remember now. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 1:21:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Svensson: Not a bad looking bunch... Question for the brain trust: were the BCGs for Mk12s taken directly from the rifle that supplied the donor lower? I.e., would a Colt lower have a Colt BCG, H&R gets an H&R BCG, etc? Or were newer M16 BCGs used to build the rifles? I feel like I read this once but can't seem to remember now. From what I've seen it's a mixture of M16A1 and new bolts with the vast majority being new. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 8:18:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunterex: From what I've seen it's a mixture of M16A1 and new bolts with the vast majority being new. Excellent, glad I don't have to hunt down new (old) bolts for my builds. Pic for pic thread 
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Posted: 6/8/2023 8:52:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/9/2023 3:56:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/9/2023 2:34:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: Pics for pic thread https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/343681/IMG_3446_jpeg-2844568.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/343681/IMG_3447_jpeg-2844570.JPG These have been growing on me. A lot. But man that KAC rail $$$ 
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Posted: 6/9/2023 3:21:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Toothpicksandkatchup: These have been growing on me. A lot. But man that KAC rail $$$ Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Toothpicksandkatchup: Originally Posted By teamjawbox: Pics for pic thread https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/343681/IMG_3446_jpeg-2844568.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/343681/IMG_3447_jpeg-2844570.JPG These have been growing on me. A lot. But man that KAC rail $$$ I hear ya. Took a long time for me to warm up to the mod 1. Still not my fav and is likely the least interesting to me out of the program. Those rails have gotten insane now days. Glad I was able to get it built back when I did. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 3:23:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kmcale]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: Those rails have gotten insane now days. I keep wanting to do a 15.1 Recce build, but everytime I see some of these prices, I die a little |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 3:27:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rothperson87]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kmcale: I keep wanting to do a 15.1 Recce build, but everytime I see some of these prices, I die a little Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kmcale: Originally Posted By teamjawbox: Those rails have gotten insane now days. I keep wanting to do a 15.1 Recce build, but everytime I see some of these prices, I die a little Saw one go for $1500 on Reddit last week. Might have that in my whole gun sans glass, peq and can.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 4:34:55 PM EDT
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How loose or tight is the Allen Engineering collar supposed to be? I've read people needed to use heat to install, mine are spinning freely on both barrels.
I know - degrease, put loctite on inside of collar, tighten set screw, maybe even dimple barrel ever so slightly. I'm just wondering how it SHOULD be and if it might affect suppressor use in the end. My barrels are Ballistic Advantage SS Premium (I know, don't start. I have my reasons) and the collars/brakes are genuine. My MK12 saga has been going on for some years, put on hold several times d/t change of employers, then C19 related unemployment. But now I'll pull through and get them finished 
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Posted: 6/9/2023 6:05:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kmcale: I keep wanting to do a 15.1 Recce build, but everytime I see some of these prices, I die a little Is it all the KAC long FF RAS’s or just the Vero Beach ones? I think I only paid like $250 for my Titusville marked FF RAS on my Mod 1. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 7:45:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighInput: How loose or tight is the Allen Engineering collar supposed to be? I've read people needed to use heat to install, mine are spinning freely on both barrels. I know - degrease, put loctite on inside of collar, tighten set screw, maybe even dimple barrel ever so slightly. I'm just wondering how it SHOULD be and if it might affect suppressor use in the end. My barrels are Ballistic Advantage SS Premium (I know, don't start. I have my reasons) and the collars/brakes are genuine. My MK12 saga has been going on for some years, put on hold several times d/t change of employers, then C19 related unemployment. But now I'll pull through and get them finished Mine slid easily over my BA barrel. Wasn't loose but slid nicely on. Same on the Douglas barrel that's in it now. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 8:00:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadsquiggles: Is it all the KAC long FF RAS’s or just the Vero Beach ones? I think I only paid like $250 for my Titusville marked FF RAS on my Mod 1. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadsquiggles: Originally Posted By kmcale: I keep wanting to do a 15.1 Recce build, but everytime I see some of these prices, I die a little Is it all the KAC long FF RAS’s or just the Vero Beach ones? I think I only paid like $250 for my Titusville marked FF RAS on my Mod 1. All of the long are fetching crazy amounts. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 8:04:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadsquiggles: Is it all the KAC long FF RAS’s or just the Vero Beach ones? I think I only paid like $250 for my Titusville marked FF RAS on my Mod 1. How long ago was that? I've seen quite a lot go 600+ in the last like.. year |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 8:06:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kmcale]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: Mine slid easily over my BA barrel. Wasn't loose but slid nicely on. Same on the Douglas barrel that's in it now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: Originally Posted By HighInput: How loose or tight is the Allen Engineering collar supposed to be? I've read people needed to use heat to install, mine are spinning freely on both barrels. I know - degrease, put loctite on inside of collar, tighten set screw, maybe even dimple barrel ever so slightly. I'm just wondering how it SHOULD be and if it might affect suppressor use in the end. My barrels are Ballistic Advantage SS Premium (I know, don't start. I have my reasons) and the collars/brakes are genuine. My MK12 saga has been going on for some years, put on hold several times d/t change of employers, then C19 related unemployment. But now I'll pull through and get them finished Mine slid easily over my BA barrel. Wasn't loose but slid nicely on. Same on the Douglas barrel that's in it now. All of mine went on similarly (2 BA, 2 Douglas). Not loosey goosey, but not tight. I ended up putting a small indent/dimple on 2 of my barrels to keep the collar from spinning, but otherwise, they've all been good for me |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 8:07:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kmcale: I keep wanting to do a 15.1 Recce build, but everytime I see some of these prices, I die a little Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kmcale: Originally Posted By teamjawbox: Those rails have gotten insane now days. I keep wanting to do a 15.1 Recce build, but everytime I see some of these prices, I die a little I’ve been waiting for TAC to restock their 15.1 barrels to no avail. |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 8:09:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: I’ve been waiting for TAC to restock their 15.1 barrels to no avail. I was considering having CLE spin me up a douglas and cut it 15.1, as I've heard they've done that for people in the past. But...I've also heard that they aren't what they used to be (correct me if I'm wrong, I'd like to hope they're still as good as they were when I bought) |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 8:57:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kmcale: I was considering having CLE spin me up a douglas and cut it 15.1, as I've heard they've done that for people in the past. But...I've also heard that they aren't what they used to be (correct me if I'm wrong, I'd like to hope they're still as good as they were when I bought) I'm pretty sure you can order them direct from Lilja now. Just checked, they're in stock too. Lilja |
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Posted: 6/9/2023 9:17:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kmcale: How long ago was that? I've seen quite a lot go 600+ in the last like.. year I think I gathered the majority of the parts in 2018 or 2019. Not 100% though cause I’ve ordered a lot then and after then
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Posted: 6/10/2023 8:16:39 PM EDT
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Anybody seen a Troy m16a4 fixed stock qd anywhere?
I finally identified that as the rear QD on the sniper comp mod 1 I’ve been slowly building. It took waaaaaaaaaay too much googling through rear qd pics. |
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Posted: 6/10/2023 8:29:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: Anybody seen a Troy m16a4 fixed stock qd anywhere? I finally identified that as the rear QD on the sniper comp mod 1 I’ve been slowly building. It took waaaaaaaaaay too much googling through rear qd pics. One left but it's FDE. Could paint it. https://www.jsesurplus.com/troym16a1slingmountambi-fde.aspx |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 12:06:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WTFShane]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rbutcher: Anybody seen a Troy m16a4 fixed stock qd anywhere? I finally identified that as the rear QD on the sniper comp mod 1 I’ve been slowly building. It took waaaaaaaaaay too much googling through rear qd pics. @rbutcher I have one. Did I message you before? I was supposed to sell to someone, but forgot. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 6:05:38 AM EDT
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To get really in to the fine details on them, you want one marked like the upper right in this pic vs the lower left.
 Attached FileIt's the lower one in this next pic.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 7:50:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KGLaw: To get really in to the fine details on them, you want one marked like the upper right in this pic vs the lower left. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59096/signal-2023-03-23-192339_002_jpeg-2847408.JPG It's the lower one in this next pic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59096/signal-2023-03-23-192423_002_jpeg-2847409.JPG @KGLaw That is incredibly helpful, every online picture shows the lower left. The top right absolutely appears to be the markings I need. |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 5:12:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: teamjawbox]
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Posted: 6/11/2023 6:43:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KGLaw: To get really in to the fine details on them, you want one marked like the upper right in this pic vs the lower left. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59096/signal-2023-03-23-192339_002_jpeg-2847408.JPG It's the lower one in this next pic. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/59096/signal-2023-03-23-192423_002_jpeg-2847409.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 6:47:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283502/20230611_123735_jpg-2848173.JPG I’ll take it! Lol |
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Posted: 6/11/2023 7:12:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/283502/20230611_123735_jpg-2848173.JPG Very good. That's a right lot number. 
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Posted: 6/11/2023 10:15:00 PM EDT
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Mix-matched inspired natty g setup.
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Posted: 6/12/2023 8:55:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kmcale: I was considering having CLE spin me up a douglas and cut it 15.1, as I've heard they've done that for people in the past. But...I've also heard that they aren't what they used to be (correct me if I'm wrong, I'd like to hope they're still as good as they were when I bought) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kmcale: Originally Posted By teamjawbox: I’ve been waiting for TAC to restock their 15.1 barrels to no avail. I was considering having CLE spin me up a douglas and cut it 15.1, as I've heard they've done that for people in the past. But...I've also heard that they aren't what they used to be (correct me if I'm wrong, I'd like to hope they're still as good as they were when I bought) CLE is still owned by the White Family. Franks son, Conrad, is now in charge. He was there before he went into the Army. His last tour was with the AMU in the armory building guns. I don’t think you will have an issue. Daniel |
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