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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2021 4:53:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MickeyWHS]
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Got in a couple of decent range sessions with the LVAW clone, zero complaints thus far. While the handguard gets as warm as one would expect, it's tolerable. On a related note I convinced the guy at ALTRD to start designing the proper heat shield for the LVAW handguard (which will be a drop-in fit since he already included the screw holes for it). He's also working on a very lo-pro scout mount that will still allow the use of an NGAL or PEQ15/LA-5 alongside the light body.
  
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Posted: 4/16/2021 8:39:28 PM EDT
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So w/ dev. switching over to Noveske, I'm actually curious as to what their current dm/ recce rifle or upper setup is. I believe it was touched upon slight in the nsw recce thread but just giving the nature of these units their is no way to fully confirm.
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Posted: 4/16/2021 9:16:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MickeyWHS: Got in a couple of decent range sessions with the LVAW clone, zero complaints thus far. While the handguard gets as warm as one would expect, it's tolerable. On a related note I convinced the guy at ALTRD to start designing the proper heat shield for the LVAW handguard (which will be a drop-in fit since he already included the screw holes for it). He's also working on a very lo-pro scout mount that will still allow the use of an NGAL or PEQ15/LA-5 alongside the light body. https://i.imgur.com/ZxtaLYb.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lfY3V9L.png https://i.imgur.com/H2fvpHv.jpg that is good news |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 10:17:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xxflyingturtlexx: that is good news Need him to make it and then sell it to me |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 10:35:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: So w/ dev. switching over to Noveske, I'm actually curious as to what their current dm/ recce rifle or upper setup is. I believe it was touched upon slight in the nsw recce thread but just giving the nature of these units their is no way to fully confirm. Yeah. they have made some recent changes the past couple of years. Assaulters went to the P320 X Five and switched to the Noveske. What are they saying in the Recce thread? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/16/2021 10:47:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: So w/ dev. switching over to Noveske, I'm actually curious as to what their current dm/ recce rifle or upper setup is. I believe it was touched upon slight in the nsw recce thread but just giving the nature of these units their is no way to fully confirm. I'd like to know this as well. Seems like the 10.5" Noveske with ATACR is the NSW Recce rifle now |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 11:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: I'd like to know this as well. Seems like the 10.5" Noveske with ATACR is the NSW Recce rifle now Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Originally Posted By LsuJon: So w/ dev. switching over to Noveske, I'm actually curious as to what their current dm/ recce rifle or upper setup is. I believe it was touched upon slight in the nsw recce thread but just giving the nature of these units their is no way to fully confirm. I'd like to know this as well. Seems like the 10.5" Noveske with ATACR is the NSW Recce rifle now So the short discussion starts on the bottom of page 56 of the nsw recce. Basically a guy "in the know" states this is what they are using and this is what they have and he cloned it. Only thing I find hard to believe is that he mentioned that the x24 was still the standard. Other than that it seems to be pretty believable. Also I'm not calling this guy a liar or anything at all, I'm just stating I can't confirm it's true or false as I do not know him. W/ the nature of these units it's not like we can just ask for a bunch of pictures from the guys in atm. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2021 12:46:19 AM EDT
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  Happy 4/16 Day |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 7:33:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: So the short discussion starts on the bottom of page 56 of the nsw recce. Basically a guy "in the know" states this is what they are using and this is what they have and he cloned it. Only thing I find hard to believe is that he mentioned that the x24 was still the standard. Other than that it seems to be pretty believable. Also I'm not calling this guy a liar or anything at all, I'm just stating I can't confirm it's true or false as I do not know him. W/ the nature of these units it's not like we can just ask for a bunch of pictures from the guys in atm. Curious if the ATACR's will be on the .300 variants as well. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 4/17/2021 7:50:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eMc9001: Curious if the ATACR's will be on the .300 variants as well. Yea. Would be a fast way to switch zero from super to sub. And the 125gr stuff is good out to 6-700. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 8:03:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smartliketractor: That is Jenna Jameson sized. Why in the world would they keep that commercial size for mil guns? I realize that's the recipe they ran for commercial guns for years, but mil gun gas ports can be smaller given they are only fed certain types of ammo. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smartliketractor: Originally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: Confirmed gas port size at .081" measured. That is Jenna Jameson sized. Why in the world would they keep that commercial size for mil guns? I realize that's the recipe they ran for commercial guns for years, but mil gun gas ports can be smaller given they are only fed certain types of ammo. It is big... but how does it shoot? There must be a reason why they go with 0.081. I imagine they can choose anything they want. |
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Posted: 4/17/2021 8:03:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: eMc9001]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Yea. Would be a fast way to switch zero from super to sub. And the 125gr stuff is good out to 6-700. Kinda digging the idea of it. Edit: FYI Sandman S back in stock at Silencershop |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 5:08:28 PM EDT
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All this work for different markings and color.
 
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Posted: 4/23/2021 5:40:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2Keylows: All this work for different markings and color. https://i.imgur.com/ytyDWzkh.jpg You building one too? |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 5:44:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eMc9001: You building one too? *Sigh* Yes.  Picked a terrible time to build a one off clone. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 5:46:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2Keylows: *Sigh* Yes. Picked a terrible time to build a one off clone. Rip Noveske parts. I'm really struggling to find stuff right now haha. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 5:47:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2Keylows: *Sigh* Yes. Picked a terrible time to build a one off clone. |
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Posted: 4/23/2021 6:00:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eMc9001: Rip Noveske parts. I'm really struggling to find stuff right now haha. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eMc9001: Rip Noveske parts. I'm really struggling to find stuff right now haha. I noticed... At least they have a pretty IG page.  Originally Posted By LsuJon: Existence is pain... the way I look at it, I have 7+ months to source parts. Oh yeah. I fully expect a year plus on this guy, I don't have very good luck with Nfa items. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/23/2021 6:14:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: methical20]
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Dead Air just confirmed via email that sharpie on the end cap of the FDE MIL Sandmans means that it needs to go back in for RMA
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Posted: 4/23/2021 6:23:32 PM EDT
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For those w/ an f prefixed Noveske lower, what's the difference on font from a W prefixed lower?
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Posted: 4/23/2021 10:11:41 PM EDT
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 Got held up on cerakoting my parts. But I should be doing them soon since I got a couple guys sending me their parts to do as well and I'll do them all at the same time. |
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Posted: 4/24/2021 9:53:45 PM EDT
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 Navy barrel and the forbidden ammo  
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Posted: 4/25/2021 7:39:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: https://i.imgur.com/szO2wSD.jpg Navy barrel and the forbidden ammo https://i.imgur.com/JQ7Efzc.jpg Much sex. |
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Posted: 4/27/2021 8:23:06 PM EDT
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52 minutes of 75th Ranger Regiment playing with their toys...
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Posted: 4/28/2021 10:42:00 AM EDT
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Noveske/DEVGRU cloners: Gunbroker has a few Buy It Now Gen 3 uppers at $500 each. That's $200 less than what they typically go for.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/899628438 |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 11:57:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: Noveske/DEVGRU cloners: Gunbroker has a few Buy It Now Gen 3 uppers at $500 each. That's $200 less than what they typically go for. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/899628438 Damn they really go for 700? |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 12:32:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Advance]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eMc9001: Damn they really go for 700? I just checked GB completed listings and it looks like things have settled down a little. $550-700 seems to be the going rate now. The DEVGRU clone is going to be a thing for a while. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 3:24:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: I just checked GB completed listings and it looks like things have settled down a little. $550-700 seems to be the going rate now. The DEVGRU clone is going to be a thing for a while. Gotcha. Didn't realize they were that much. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/28/2021 3:45:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNRidesHonda: https://i.imgur.com/Gt0T9XH.jpg Got held up on cerakoting my parts. But I should be doing them soon since I got a couple guys sending me their parts to do as well and I'll do them all at the same time. https://www.bigtexordnance.com/product/dead-air-sandman-s-fde-military-contract/?fbclid=IwAR3TnXTeMdhvcZM3UeLCM4kD74x2ARE2RyW_RUOdQ0XpjlOObIX1eSo01S8 Big Tex has 28 in stock |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 3:57:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: I just checked GB completed listings and it looks like things have settled down a little. $550-700 seems to be the going rate now. The DEVGRU clone is going to be a thing for a while.  - me actually thinking about purchasing one as it's the last part I need besides the correct barrel |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 5:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: - me actually thinking about purchasing one as it's the last part I need besides the correct barrel I got the can so far
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Posted: 4/28/2021 5:29:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eMc9001: I got the can so far |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 5:31:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UncleverUsername: https://www.bigtexordnance.com/product/dead-air-sandman-s-fde-military-contract/?fbclid=IwAR3TnXTeMdhvcZM3UeLCM4kD74x2ARE2RyW_RUOdQ0XpjlOObIX1eSo01S8 Big Tex has 28 in stock Coupon code alliancepd will get you 15% off too. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 6:07:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: I purchased a complete novekse pistol from GB and I'm parting it out. So I just need the correct barrels and I'll be set... so Basically I'll never be set haha Smart move. I almost snagged a upper in 5.56 the other day but got beat to it. |
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Posted: 4/28/2021 9:15:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By smartliketractor: That is Jenna Jameson sized. Why in the world would they keep that commercial size for mil guns? I realize that's the recipe they ran for commercial guns for years, but mil gun gas ports can be smaller given they are only fed certain types of ammo. Military guns need to be able to operate in extreme cold. Who knows, maybe there have been new, lower, operating temperature range requirements derived from Arctic conflict CONOPS. |
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Posted: 4/29/2021 5:52:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: UndrGrndPrdcts]
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Can we start compiling info on the first post like the other clone threads with relevant info for each one, like atleast the barrel length, manufacturer, and caliber to start?
Edit: Are the LVAW using 6.75" barrels? Are the guys using them mostly running subs? |
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Posted: 4/30/2021 6:38:49 PM EDT
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2021 10:57:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/2/2021 11:19:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51142215106_bc0302c2b5_b.jpg Niiice man. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/2/2021 9:11:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51142215106_bc0302c2b5_b.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/3/2021 9:52:05 PM EDT
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Picked this up today. Most of the Parts are accounted for or are on the way. Only thing I need is the correct .300 barrel.... Dont know if that will ever happen. Gen 3 upper comes wen. Waiting on a barrel nut wrench to break this down to send it out to get cerakoted. Any recommendations on that front would be well appreciated. I can already tell this will be my fav build.
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Posted: 5/4/2021 8:32:36 AM EDT
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Are all you guys going with F prefix on your lowers or just going with whatever Gen 1 you can find?
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Posted: 5/4/2021 9:39:28 PM EDT
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Found a guy local to me that does Cerakote. I'm trading him a Noveske MUR upper for some peanut butter.
 Attached FileAnyone know where to get the 5.56 marked dust covers? |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 4:25:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eMc9001: Are all you guys going with F prefix on your lowers or just going with whatever Gen 1 you can find? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2021 4:39:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: So I couldn't find an F prefix and after asking around I just went w/ the common W prefixed lower. From my limited understanding the F marked lowers were simply produced at the same timeframe as the contract ones. The only difference I could see in photos between the two was the serial numbers, maybe someone else could better comment on them however. “F” prefix has the updated engravings that is seen on the contract lowers. “W” is just the latest made lowers from this year. Same markings. Contract lowers actually got “X” marked prefixes in their serial numbers if I’m not mistaken. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 5:53:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: "F" prefix has the updated engravings that is seen on the contract lowers. "W" is just the latest made lowers from this year. Same markings. Contract lowers actually got "X" marked prefixes in their serial numbers if I'm not mistaken. Are these close to the lowers Dev uses? |
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2021 6:15:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Can we start compiling info on the first post like the other clone threads with relevant info for each one, like atleast the barrel length, manufacturer, and caliber to start? Edit: Are the LVAW using 6.75" barrels? Are the guys using them mostly running subs? I’m curious about mil 300 loads too. 6.75” is the barrel length used by the LVAW. From what I understand it was never sold commercially on a complete gun until the TacOps. coregon can correct me if I’m wrong on that. I’d love more info in general about the LVAW guns. Especially current guns. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2021 6:31:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StealthGuy: I’m curious about mil 300 loads too. 6.75” is the barrel length used by the LVAW. From what I understand it was never sold commercially on a complete gun until the TacOps. coregon can correct me if I’m wrong on that. I’d love more info in general about the LVAW guns. Especially current guns. 1-5 twist is what makes that 6.75” barrel magical…. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 7:54:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyUtah427: 1-5 twist is what makes that 6.75” barrel magical…. The Q Honey Badger barrel is a 1:5 7”. Mos Tek can also spin something more custom (lengths etc) with the fast twist rate too. |
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Posted: 5/5/2021 8:32:35 PM EDT
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Love the 6.75 mcx. The 1-5 twist is great. We had a good thread about the lvaw, but it may have been archived.
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