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Posted: 12/28/2020 10:20:02 AM EST
I like the way the nickel boron BCG's look, and like the way many people say they clean up easily.
So looking to replace my black nitride Aero Precision BCG with something else...

Should I get:
1. Aero Precision - Not sure who makes them or coats them for Aero?
2. Toolcraft
3. WMD
4. FailZero
5. Something else?

I see a lot of Toolcraft vs. WMD vs. FailZero BCG comparisons... my general observation is they are all about equal. Is this true?
Is there any reason to get (or not get) one of these BCG in nickel boron, or would any of these listed be good to go?
I think I read somewhere that WMD, or one of those manufacturers?, are the ones that invented nickel boron coating or something, so would that be the best to go with soley for that reason?

All on this list are priced under $200, so not looking to spend more than that - as I have no need for a "more expensive" BCG.

Thanks.

Link Posted: 12/28/2020 10:35:43 AM EST
3. WMD
4. FailZero

Have done well by me.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 10:41:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/28/2020 10:44:30 AM EST by ahrion]
Cannot go wrong with FailZero or WMD. Toolcraft is never a bad option, but they didn't pioneer NiB like FailZero and WMD.  

NiB used to be all the craze a few years back, but it has been proven to be inferior over the long run.  NiB isn't bad, but they have had amazing marketing since release.  I would put DLC above NiB any days (it's also cheaper). NiB has notoriously had issues with not being great for wear. It changes color over time (stains) to a dirty version of what you get in the box.

I highly recommend either DLC, NP3+, or Lifecoat over NiB. Technically, I prefer nitride/isonite/melonite over NiB.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 10:46:56 AM EST
Good luck finding any of those in stock right now...
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 10:47:17 AM EST
If you're buying it for looks, you're buying it for the wrong reason IMO.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 10:54:10 AM EST
AIM Surplus NIB is also a good BCG.  Not as polished as Toolcraft, Fail Zero, or WMD, but it is well made.  That said my Toolcraft NIB is the smoothest cycling BCG I own.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 11:32:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/28/2020 11:33:17 AM EST by 556Cliff]
If I were going to buy a Nickel Boron BCG it would be the one from Cryptic Coatings, because as far as I know it's the only one that is chromed inside the carrier itself as well as the gas key... NiB finish is well known to flake off in those areas, as well as the ramp on the bottom of the carrier where the hammer makes contact.

Having said that I don't recommend NiB BCGs and would sooner go with standard phosphate and chrome.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 12:22:44 PM EST
I prefer nitride/isonite/melonite over NiB.
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Link Posted: 12/28/2020 3:43:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Good luck finding any of those in stock right now...
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Just got Fail Zero delivered last Thursday.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 4:02:12 PM EST
2. Toolcraft
3. WMD
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 4:15:52 PM EST
I like spinta precison, have a few and one with a few thousand rounds.
No issues at all
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 5:29:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
If you're buying it for looks, you're buying it for the wrong reason IMO.
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I mean, I get that but understand NiB to be a solid choice for a BCG with no real downsides... other than what someone said above.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 5:32:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ahrion:
Cannot go wrong with FailZero or WMD. Toolcraft is never a bad option, but they didn't pioneer NiB like FailZero and WMD.  

NiB used to be all the craze a few years back, but it has been proven to be inferior over the long run.  NiB isn't bad, but they have had amazing marketing since release.  I would put DLC above NiB any days (it's also cheaper). NiB has notoriously had issues with not being great for wear. It changes color over time (stains) to a dirty version of what you get in the box.

I highly recommend either DLC, NP3+, or Lifecoat over NiB. Technically, I prefer nitride/isonite/melonite over NiB.
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Interesting... I haven’t heard that before, nor have I done of research into NiB]I didn’t think there were really any downsides but I’ll have to look into that.
Do any if the same brands I listed make BCGs in any of the finishes you listed? How do those finish costs compare to black nitride or NiB?
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 6:03:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Thunderstruck007:


I mean, I get that but understand NiB to be a solid choice for a BCG with no real downsides... other than what someone said above.
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Originally Posted By Thunderstruck007:
Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
If you're buying it for looks, you're buying it for the wrong reason IMO.


I mean, I get that but understand NiB to be a solid choice for a BCG with no real downsides... other than what someone said above.

Nitride is nearly as slick/easy to clean as NiB and will not stain. Something to consider.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 6:43:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/28/2020 6:44:59 PM EST by dac15]
I run Failzeros and love them. Reliable as hell and super easy to clean. As far as the staining, I think they look better once they're "broken in"

I have heard great things about nitride coating too (somehow it's both better AND cheaper), but haven't run any nitride coated gear yet so can't offer any experience based input.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 7:31:35 PM EST
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Aim bcg are made by tool craft. I bought one of their bcg with the nitride bolt and nickel carrier and got the best of both worlds. A good nitrided bcg cleans up easier than nickel. Nickel especially the bolt stains and will turn yellow but they are all good and ultimately you are buying nickel for looks.

You will honestly spend more time cleaning a nickeled bcg because fouling shows up more but it looks bad ass with a stainless barrel.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 8:05:55 PM EST
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I have heard great things about nitride coating too (somehow it's both better AND cheaper), but haven't run any nitride coated gear yet so can't offer any experience based input.
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Nitriding is a process which alters the steel exterior also penetrating sub level, not a coating as many think.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 8:08:02 PM EST
Coatings fail, Phosphate or Nitride are the way to go imo.

Link Posted: 12/28/2020 8:41:28 PM EST
https://danieldefense.com/complete-bolt-carrier-group-chrome-plated-5-56mm.html

If you decide against NiB, here's another option.  A few places carry them, I think I got mine from Arm or Ally.  Yeah, I know, good luck finding them in stock.  I've done well with getting on notify lists, you just need to be ready to buy right now when you get the back in stock notification.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 8:56:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Muzap:
https://danieldefense.com/complete-bolt-carrier-group-chrome-plated-5-56mm.html

If you decide against NiB, here's another option.  A few places carry them, I think I got mine from Arm or Ally.  Yeah, I know, good luck finding them in stock.  I've done well with getting on notify lists, you just need to be ready to buy right now when you get the back in stock notification.
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HERE

Damn solid BCGs.

LMT in hard chrome is as well. Semi cut carrier only, IIRC.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 9:02:38 PM EST
I've got several toolcraft, no complaints here.
Link Posted: 12/28/2020 9:08:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 12/28/2020 9:10:24 PM EST by Exorpmtech]
I tried a NiB TC on a rifle a couple years ago just to see what the hoopla was all about. .  I have a bazillion rounds through it(Probably more than any of my other guns combined) and it cleans up easy.  Looks as good as the day I bought it.  With that being said, all my other standard TCs have never given me an issue.
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 12:31:32 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Thunderstruck007:


Interesting... I haven’t heard that before, nor have I done of research into NiB]I didn’t think there were really any downsides but I’ll have to look into that.
Do any if the same brands I listed make BCGs in any of the finishes you listed? How do those finish costs compare to black nitride or NiB?
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I first started getting into building several years back right when I got discharged from the Army. I started buying NiB parts because of the "hey look, you don't need to clean or oil". Total hoopla. I found that the marketed the coated as the " next big thing" and new builders or people looking to modify their builds get hook line and sinkers with NiB like I did.

In all reality, it is a coating like pvd ti nitride, DLC, etc. I guess you can say it's slick, but is it better than the others? I don't think so. It's decent for cleanup, but not better than DLC or NP3+ in my opinion. There are many manufacturers that have their stuff electroless nickel/teflon coated that is about the same as NiB. There are many different names for it.

Melonite/nitride/isonite are a dime a dozen, as nearly every manufacturer carries these and is probably the cheapest treatment of them all besides phosphate. Chrome is less the craze than it once was and is pretty uncommon these days (LMT, DD, RRA) . DLC or other pvd carries are pretty common (Toolcraft, Sharps, Cryptek, Midwest Industries) ti-nitride being the most common. Everyone has phosphate. Electroless nickel/teflon is uncommon but you can find them (Adams Arms/VDI, PWS, POF). I just named a few companies. There are obviously more.
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 12:35:59 AM EST
Phosphate holds the lube best, hard chrome is the best for bolt and internal.

Prove me wrong
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 10:06:04 PM EST
If you want silver get a Sionics NP3 or DD hardchrome BCG.
Link Posted: 12/29/2020 10:10:33 PM EST
A good read for why good NiB makes sense (and its not about appearance):

https://www.failzero.com/fz-news/item/failzero-outperforms-legacy-systems-in-dept-of-energy-live-fire-tests.html

This is full auto torture testing to failure under extreme conditions, including water and sand.
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 8:22:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

HERE

Damn solid BCGs.

LMT in hard chrome is as well. Semi cut carrier only, IIRC.
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Originally Posted By Muzap:
https://danieldefense.com/complete-bolt-carrier-group-chrome-plated-5-56mm.html

If you decide against NiB, here's another option.  A few places carry them, I think I got mine from Arm or Ally.  Yeah, I know, good luck finding them in stock.  I've done well with getting on notify lists, you just need to be ready to buy right now when you get the back in stock notification.

HERE

Damn solid BCGs.

LMT in hard chrome is as well. Semi cut carrier only, IIRC.

The pic of the DD BCG in the VT Supply link looks like a semi carrier.  I don't know if DD ever made chrome semi BCGs.  I'd probably contact them to verify before purchase.
Link Posted: 12/30/2020 8:24:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Muzap:

The pic of the DD BCG in the VT Supply link looks like a semi carrier.  I don't know if DD ever made chrome semi BCGs.  I'd probably contact them to verify before purchase.
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Originally Posted By Muzap:
Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Originally Posted By Muzap:
https://danieldefense.com/complete-bolt-carrier-group-chrome-plated-5-56mm.html

If you decide against NiB, here's another option.  A few places carry them, I think I got mine from Arm or Ally.  Yeah, I know, good luck finding them in stock.  I've done well with getting on notify lists, you just need to be ready to buy right now when you get the back in stock notification.

HERE

Damn solid BCGs.

LMT in hard chrome is as well. Semi cut carrier only, IIRC.

The pic of the DD BCG in the VT Supply link looks like a semi carrier.  I don't know if DD ever made chrome semi BCGs.  I'd probably contact them to verify before purchase.

Info states M16 carrier.

Pic does look fuckey tho.
Link Posted: 12/31/2020 10:51:23 PM EST
I do like the silver color of the NiB which makes it stand out a little but...

I do get they may not offer much real world advantage over nitride, etc.

The DD chrome one looks interesting... anything else out there to consider or just go NiB and be fine with it?
Link Posted: 12/31/2020 11:21:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Thunderstruck007:
I do like the silver color of the NiB which makes it stand out a little but...

I do get they may not offer much real world advantage over nitride, etc.

The DD chrome one looks interesting... anything else out there to consider or just go NiB and be fine with it?
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http://sionicsweaponsystems.com/store2015/bolt-carrier-group-components/31-bolt-carrier-group-np3-coated-carrier-bolt-and-cam-pin.html
Link Posted: 1/1/2021 8:51:17 PM EST
Aim has them in stock right now if you want to get an actual bcg rather than a back order.
Link Posted: 1/9/2021 9:46:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/9/2021 9:47:16 AM EST by JohnCarter17]
Here is a new alternative.  Precision Firearms.

They are starting to make them inhouse.  And doing a presale
So $70 for the BC, pre 2/1, the $110.  That is BC only, there are BCG options also.


https://www.precisionfirearms.com/m8/PF%20Carrier%20-%20%2A%2ANO%20BOLT%2A%2A%20CARRIER%20ONLY--pf-carrier-no-bolt-carrier-only.html
Link Posted: 1/16/2021 9:05:22 PM EST
idk if anyone said it yet, but if you like the look but want reliability get a chromed BCG.
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 10:08:24 AM EST
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idk if anyone said it yet, but if you like the look but want reliability get a chromed BCG.
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Haven't seen or heard much about chrome BCG... i'll have to look into them - any brands you recommend checking out?

Still am leaning heavily toward a NB BCG from one of the brands in my original post.
Right now - leaning towards WMD since they have a "better" coating and one of the original's I do believe...
The problem is finding them in stock!
Link Posted: 1/18/2021 4:28:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Thunderstruck007:


Haven't seen or heard much about chrome BCG... i'll have to look into them - any brands you recommend checking out?

Still am leaning heavily toward a NB BCG from one of the brands in my original post.
Right now - leaning towards WMD since they have a "better" coating and one of the original's I do believe...
The problem is finding them in stock!
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DD makes a great chrome BCG.

https://danieldefense.com/complete-bolt-carrier-group-chrome-plated-5-56mm.html
Link Posted: 1/20/2021 2:25:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

HERE

Damn solid BCGs.

LMT in hard chrome is as well. Semi cut carrier only, IIRC.
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Originally Posted By Muzap:
https://danieldefense.com/complete-bolt-carrier-group-chrome-plated-5-56mm.html

If you decide against NiB, here's another option.  A few places carry them, I think I got mine from Arm or Ally.  Yeah, I know, good luck finding them in stock.  I've done well with getting on notify lists, you just need to be ready to buy right now when you get the back in stock notification.

HERE

Damn solid BCGs.

LMT in hard chrome is as well. Semi cut carrier only, IIRC.


Does Young Mfg still offer hard chrome BCGs?
Link Posted: 1/21/2021 7:48:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Hydra-shokz:


DD makes a great chrome BCG.

https://danieldefense.com/complete-bolt-carrier-group-chrome-plated-5-56mm.html
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Wow interesting, priced just above nickel boron too... too bad they aren’t in stock!
I might opt for this over nb, but availability 0f both is an issue so maybe will buy whatever is first in stock...
Link Posted: 1/21/2021 8:51:31 PM EST
Look into Rubber City Armory. They manufacture bolts for other big brand names but also sell their own. They are highly respected. They show as of yesterday they had some BCGs in stock and are under 200.00 I hope this helps.
Link Posted: 1/21/2021 8:59:25 PM EST
Save your money and get nitride.
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 8:47:16 AM EST
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HERE

Damn solid BCGs.

LMT in hard chrome is as well. Semi cut carrier only, IIRC.
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Originally Posted By Muzap:
https://danieldefense.com/complete-bolt-carrier-group-chrome-plated-5-56mm.html

If you decide against NiB, here's another option.  A few places carry them, I think I got mine from Arm or Ally.  Yeah, I know, good luck finding them in stock.  I've done well with getting on notify lists, you just need to be ready to buy right now when you get the back in stock notification.

HERE

Damn solid BCGs.

LMT in hard chrome is as well. Semi cut carrier only, IIRC.


@Tigwelder1971

Is Valhalla Tactical Supply legit? Saw mixed reviews on Reddit (arfcom google search is jacked now)
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 9:31:39 AM EST
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@Tigwelder1971

Is Valhalla Tactical Supply legit? Saw mixed reviews on Reddit (arfcom google search is jacked now)
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Originally Posted By PointBlank82:
Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:
Originally Posted By Muzap:
https://danieldefense.com/complete-bolt-carrier-group-chrome-plated-5-56mm.html

If you decide against NiB, here's another option.  A few places carry them, I think I got mine from Arm or Ally.  Yeah, I know, good luck finding them in stock.  I've done well with getting on notify lists, you just need to be ready to buy right now when you get the back in stock notification.

HERE

Damn solid BCGs.

LMT in hard chrome is as well. Semi cut carrier only, IIRC.


@Tigwelder1971

Is Valhalla Tactical Supply legit? Saw mixed reviews on Reddit (arfcom google search is jacked now)

@PointBlank82

I've used them 4 or 5 times w/o issue now. IMO, they have been gtg.
Link Posted: 1/22/2021 6:18:51 PM EST
I'm running nickel boron Sharp's relia Bolt bcg and she's been a dream
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I'm standardizing on Toolcraft DLC, but the DD chrome intrigue me. KAC sandcutters are pretty sick too, can't afford $500 each tho
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