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Posted: 9/25/2023 7:18:16 PM EST
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Yeah they cut corners now that they don't have the govt requirements to deal with.
Small Arms Solutions has a couple great YouTube videos where he goes over the changes between OG in-house Colt made stuff to the new, post-govt contract outsourced parts Colt |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 7:23:35 PM EST
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It's the way it is now. Makes is hard to spot a Colt now.
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Posted: 9/25/2023 7:29:33 PM EST
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Thanks guys. I’m not 100% sure bout keeping this or getting them to send the used ban era one I ordered.
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Posted: 9/25/2023 7:46:41 PM EST
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Commonplace.
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Posted: 9/25/2023 9:24:43 PM EST
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Does it have the colt part number/label on the plastic bag it likely came in?
Pictures of the bcg and bag would help. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:07:36 PM EST
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There's a thread about these AU BCGs in the Colt section...
https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Got-the-Colt-B-BC-from-Arms-Unlimited-today-No-C-anywhere-on-it-Should-I-be-worried-/29-304427/ |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 3:44:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah they cut corners now that they don't have the govt requirements to deal with. Small Arms Solutions has a couple great YouTube videos where he goes over the changes between OG in-house Colt made stuff to the new, post-govt contract outsourced parts Colt Couple of things.. Colt lost the sole source contract but it’s still selling guns to the Govt. Not to mention foreign contracts. In fact someone posted pics of new Air Force M4 with the newer laser engraved markings. So they’re not cutting corners. Colt has been outsourcing since forever. No company in the world can make everything in house. Even in the 70 when every single piece was C marked it could have been outsourced. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 6:01:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couple of things.. Colt lost the sole source contract but it’s still selling guns to the Govt. Not to mention foreign contracts. In fact someone posted pics of new Air Force M4 with the newer laser engraved markings. So they’re not cutting corners. Colt has been outsourcing since forever. No company in the world can make everything in house. Even in the 70 when every single piece was C marked it could have been outsourced. AF issued laser engraved lower:  As far as subbed parts, pre 2k Colt was using FN, National Aerospace, RIA and others. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 6:28:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AF issued laser engraved lower: https://i.postimg.cc/RVPCc9ZC/9-D6-B3-BFD-CED4-46-DF-883-E-6-F2-F1-FA97-DFD-jpe-2186778-jpeg.jpg As far as subbed parts, pre 2k Colt was using FN, National Aerospace, RIA and others. Thanks for the pic. AO Precision has always stated they’re an OEM supplier for Colt, FN, etc |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 6:35:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AO Precision has always stated they’re an OEM supplier for Colt, FN, etc Microbest as well. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 6:51:25 AM EST
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I find most of YT channels extremely entertaining and a good source of info..
But I’ll never understand why/what started all the outsourcing drama on all channels simultaneously a couple of years ago… seems like all the colt internet commandos experts started suffering from dementia for some weird reasons.. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 6:54:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I find most of YT channels extremely entertaining and a good source of info.. But I’ll never understand why/what started all the outsourcing drama on all channels simultaneously a couple of years ago… seems like all the colt internet commandos experts started suffering from dementia for some weird reasons.. Start of the shit show |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 10:47:03 AM EST
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I will just add to take whatever Chris at SAS with a grain of salt. I am far from a Colt expert but even I have caught him citing absolutely incorrect info at times. Enough so that I no longer value his knowledge like I once did.
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:03:29 PM EST
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Well I got a response from AU and they didn’t even offer to get the used part I ordered. They just said “yeah they are colt and you’re welcome for a new one vs the used you ordered.”
So I guess I’m stuck with this either way. Lol. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 10:38:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah they cut corners now that they don't have the govt requirements to deal with. Small Arms Solutions has a couple great YouTube videos where he goes over the changes between OG in-house Colt made stuff to the new, post-govt contract outsourced parts Colt Ive talked to Chris from SAS about current Colt and his opinions on them. He contends that they're still quality, duty-grade rifles - they're not cutting corners. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 6:57:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ive talked to Chris from SAS about current Colt and his opinions on them. He contends that they're still quality, duty-grade rifles - they're not cutting corners. By cutting corners I meant by the engraving, and also some of the testing that's required by the govt. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:36:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By cutting corners I meant by the engraving, and also some of the testing that's required by the govt. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ive talked to Chris from SAS about current Colt and his opinions on them. He contends that they're still quality, duty-grade rifles - they're not cutting corners. By cutting corners I meant by the engraving, and also some of the testing that's required by the govt. If by altering/deleting methods of markings is what is being referred to, I wouldn't classify that as "cutting corners " personally. It is a sad change though, IMO. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 7:56:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If by altering/deleting methods of markings is what is being referred to, I wouldn't classify that as "cutting corners " personally. It is a sad change though, IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ive talked to Chris from SAS about current Colt and his opinions on them. He contends that they're still quality, duty-grade rifles - they're not cutting corners. By cutting corners I meant by the engraving, and also some of the testing that's required by the govt. If by altering/deleting methods of markings is what is being referred to, I wouldn't classify that as "cutting corners " personally. It is a sad change though, IMO. It's more of a piece of mind thing, we look for the C to ensure that we are getting a quality component. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 8:20:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's more of a piece of mind thing, we look for the C to ensure that we are getting a quality component. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ive talked to Chris from SAS about current Colt and his opinions on them. He contends that they're still quality, duty-grade rifles - they're not cutting corners. By cutting corners I meant by the engraving, and also some of the testing that's required by the govt. If by altering/deleting methods of markings is what is being referred to, I wouldn't classify that as "cutting corners " personally. It is a sad change though, IMO. It's more of a piece of mind thing, we look for the C to ensure that we are getting a quality component. I understand that mindset completely. Labeling it as "cutting corners " is an inaccurate assessment, IMO. IF the specs and test procedures have not changed then it boils down to a subjective POV. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 9:12:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I find most of YT channels extremely entertaining and a good source of info.. But I’ll never understand why/what started all the outsourcing drama on all channels simultaneously a couple of years ago… seems like all the colt internet commandos experts started suffering from dementia for some weird reasons.. And Chris Bartocci has a subtle axe to grind: It seems like his unspoken narrative is that "Colt went to shit after I left. I did my best to keep them on an even keel." |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:28:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And Chris Bartocci has a subtle axe to grind: It seems like his unspoken narrative is that "Colt went to shit after I left. I did my best to keep them on an even keel." lol, funny, He reminds me of a divorced man who hates his ex wife but at the same time is still madly in love with her. |
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:49:10 AM EST
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I’ve bought used Colt bolts and BCGs in the EE that were said to be unmarked, and found that the markings were just very light and phosphated over. They seem identical to known Colt ones.
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Posted: 9/27/2023 11:57:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Post mared By 1168RGR: I’ve bought used Colt bolts and BCGs in the EE that were said to be unmarked, and found that the markings were just very light and phosphated over. They seem identical to known Colt ones. At times the markings are extremely light. Many carriers w/o C marking and bolt markings vary. I've seen several "MP" atop an "A" , MP only, some others void of markings altogether. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 11:05:21 AM EST
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I'm willing to bet it is on there but you just can't see it. They laser it on now and if you hold it at just the right angle or get some oil off it, you can see it. Very hard to spot.
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Posted: 9/28/2023 11:11:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm willing to bet it is on there but you just can't see it. They laser it on now and if you hold it at just the right angle or get some oil off it, you can see it. Very hard to spot. Pics of laser engraved markings on a Colt bolt or carrier 
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Posted: 9/28/2023 11:34:59 AM EST
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Here’s an example of a faint MPC that was said to be unmarked, from a newer rifle; in person, you can rotate it in the light and see all 3 letters, but you really have to be looking to see any of it:
 On my newer Colts, even if the marking is more visible than that, its not like the older style markings for whatever reason. |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 1:18:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I got a response from AU and they didn’t even offer to get the used part I ordered. They just said “yeah they are colt and you’re welcome for a new one vs the used you ordered.” So I guess I’m stuck with this either way. Lol. AU is a Colt dealer and I've always gotten good stuff from them. I can't imagine that they would try pass non-Colt parts as Colt parts. Late last year, Midway USA had a clearance sale on their separate Colt BCG parts, including carriers and bolts for less than half price. I stocked up on them and they are marked, |
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Posted: 9/28/2023 8:24:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pics of laser engraved markings on a Colt bolt or carrier I sold all 4 of what I had last year on the EE. If you can find my post from that time I guess you could see it. Some of them were so faint that I could not make it out and could not take a picture of it. It looked laser etched to me. I had one that was stamped on and you could clearly make out and feel the C and MPC on the bolt. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 8:38:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Couple of things.. Colt lost the sole source contract but it’s still selling guns to the Govt. Not to mention foreign contracts. In fact someone posted pics of new Air Force M4 with the newer laser engraved markings. So they’re not cutting corners. Colt has been outsourcing since forever. No company in the world can make everything in house. Even in the 70 when every single piece was C marked it could have been outsourced. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah they cut corners now that they don't have the govt requirements to deal with. Small Arms Solutions has a couple great YouTube videos where he goes over the changes between OG in-house Colt made stuff to the new, post-govt contract outsourced parts Colt Couple of things.. Colt lost the sole source contract but it’s still selling guns to the Govt. Not to mention foreign contracts. In fact someone posted pics of new Air Force M4 with the newer laser engraved markings. So they’re not cutting corners. Colt has been outsourcing since forever. No company in the world can make everything in house. Even in the 70 when every single piece was C marked it could have been outsourced. I was going to start a new thread about Colt until I saw this thread. My guess is Colt still selling guns to the government and overseas doesn't prove quality has not gone down. With more outsourcing than in past times, people may not realize lower quality until some time into the future. How do we know quality has not gone downhill other than some sales to the gov and sale overseas? Would Colt care about overseas sales as much as they would care about sales to the government if they were still the sole source contractor? Another thing is, how do we know we are getting the same Colt they are selling to government orgs, outside of full-automatic or 3 shot burst? I'm hoping for responses to this post. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 9:04:40 PM EST
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Colt’s market is perplexing.
Cage coded stripped upper: $189-$250. Cage coded complete upper: $860. Colt OEM complete rifle which has a cage coded upper: $700. I somewhat understand the stamped lower logo appeal, but as a business it just doesn’t make sense to not evolve. I’d still prefer their bolt groups were marked but oh well. I’ll take a laser engraved Colt M4 for $700 over a stamped $1500 6920 any day. Colt has failed over and over in the past. They’re thinking ahead now and I think under CZ we might see some significant evolution to bring them back to being a big name brand instead of a specialty product like they have been the past 15 years. As long as they don’t reduce quality control at least, which so far I don’t know if any solid proof they have. |
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Posted: 9/30/2023 10:09:22 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was going to start a new thread about Colt until I saw this thread. My guess is Colt still selling guns to the government and overseas doesn't prove quality has not gone down. With more outsourcing than in past times, people may not realize lower quality until some time into the future. How do we know quality has not gone downhill other than some sales to the gov and sale overseas? Would Colt care about overseas sales as much as they would care about sales to the government if they were still the sole source contractor? Another thing is, how do we know we are getting the same Colt they are selling to government orgs, outside of full-automatic or 3 shot burst? I'm hoping for responses to this post. Buy some Colt's. Shoot it, experience firsthand trumps repeating what others keep posting. Other than markings, I've seen zero change in Colt's personally. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 1:15:39 AM EST
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Most recent contract for those thinking colt is done
https://www.guns.com/news/2023/07/06/colt-bags-93-million-army-barrel-contract |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:01:28 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Buy some Colt's. Shoot it, experience firsthand trumps repeating what others keep posting. Other than markings, I've seen zero change in Colt's personally. Except for those craptastic unmarked triggers they started using that later had to be recalled...  Personally, I am not willing to be the test dummy for the bean counters they have running the show now. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:14:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except for those craptastic unmarked triggers they started using that later had to be recalled... Personally, I am not willing to be the test dummy for the bean counters they have running the show now. They were not unmarked. The markings were included in the recall, and are different than the markings of the other trigger/hammer company that Colt subs out to. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 10:38:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except for those craptastic unmarked triggers they started using that later had to be recalled... Personally, I am not willing to be the test dummy for the bean counters they have running the show now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Buy some Colt's. Shoot it, experience firsthand trumps repeating what others keep posting. Other than markings, I've seen zero change in Colt's personally. Except for those craptastic unmarked triggers they started using that later had to be recalled... Personally, I am not willing to be the test dummy for the bean counters they have running the show now. Hammers, not triggers. Not sure whose brilliant idea that was. Not the first mfgr to have a FCG related recall. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 11:20:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most recent contract for those thinking colt is done https://www.guns.com/news/2023/07/06/colt-bags-93-million-army-barrel-contract The link in your post to the FN factory tour was great! |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 12:43:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The link in your post to the FN factory tour was great! 500 M4s produced daily /7k shipped per month. DAMN. |
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Posted: 10/1/2023 2:52:01 PM EST
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I bought a brand new Colt BCG from ColtParts.com recently. The carrier was marked "C". Didn't see the "MPC" on the bolt, so I took a magnifying glass to it and it was there, but very faint. I would guess that most of them are like the one I bought.
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Posted: 10/1/2023 11:09:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except for those craptastic unmarked triggers they started using that later had to be recalled... Personally, I am not willing to be the test dummy for the bean counters they have running the show now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Buy some Colt's. Shoot it, experience firsthand trumps repeating what others keep posting. Other than markings, I've seen zero change in Colt's personally. Except for those craptastic unmarked triggers they started using that later had to be recalled... Personally, I am not willing to be the test dummy for the bean counters they have running the show now. @Aaron56 Was it a brief period of time when there were issues with the triggers/hammers? Did they rectify the problem to the satisfaction of owners? There's more bean counters now that CZ owns them than before CZ ownership? Maybe the new owners will try to take back business from FN. |
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Posted: 10/2/2023 4:17:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Aaron56 Was it a brief period of time when there were issues with the triggers/hammers? Did they rectify the problem to the satisfaction of owners? There's more bean counters now that CZ owns them than before CZ ownership? Maybe the new owners will try to take back business from FN. MSR RECALL Info there. |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 8:48:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Aaron56 Was it a brief period of time when there were issues with the triggers/hammers? Did they rectify the problem to the satisfaction of owners? There's more bean counters now that CZ owns them than before CZ ownership? Maybe the new owners will try to take back business from FN. It's funny that you mention FN here. Last week PA had FN auto hammers on freaking SUPER sale so I grabbed a few. Upon inspection they were indeed good quality, and properly marked parts. Schmid Tool trigger parts... The same exact company that Colt 'used to use' for all of their AR pattern trigger parts for as long as I can remember but now being used by FN... :) The Colt recall trigger parts were NOT Schmid Tool parts BTW. (because of bean counters trying to save a nickel) |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 9:19:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's funny that you mention FN here. Last week PA had FN auto hammers on freaking SUPER sale so I grabbed a few. Upon inspection they were indeed good quality, and properly marked parts. Schmid Tool trigger parts... The same exact company that Colt 'used to use' for all of their AR pattern trigger parts for as long as I can remember but now being used by FN... :) The Colt recall trigger parts were NOT Schmid Tool parts BTW. (because of bean counters trying to save a nickel) Are you sure that Colt switched? A simple explanation would be that Colt uses more than one sub. |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 10:07:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 500 M4s produced daily /7k shipped per month. DAMN. Is that a lot? |
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Posted: 10/3/2023 11:59:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you sure that Colt switched? A simple explanation would be that Colt uses more than one sub. Obviously Colt use more OEM suppliers. Hey one issue and the world go crazy.. just relax.. colt name really makes people mad. When Sig delivered unsafe M17 I didn’t remember all this drama.. |
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