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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:24:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kbrown0122: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/497552/112ECCB4-E621-4EB8-9232-CD79DEAF786E_jpe-1793004.JPG Hi guys I’m starting to collect pieces for the gun on the left. The optic is kind of throwing me off, I think it’s a x24 NF but the resolution sucks and the eyepiece and the knobs look off. Anyone have any other pics of this gun? Looks like an x24 with a duct taped BC cap. |
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Posted: 1/23/2021 2:58:10 PM EDT
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Ah ok that explains that
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:49:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2021 10:59:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2021 11:02:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kbrown0122: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/497552/112ECCB4-E621-4EB8-9232-CD79DEAF786E_jpe-1793004.JPG Hi guys I’m starting to collect pieces for the gun on the left. The optic is kind of throwing me off, I think it’s a x24 NF but the resolution sucks and the eyepiece and the knobs look off. Anyone have any other pics of this gun? The guy without his face blurred is Bill Rapier. The guy is total badass. From knife work, Jujitsu black belt and one of the best shooters at DEVGRU. He was also on the UBL raid. Very humble guy. Owns his own shooting/defense business in Idaho now. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 4:00:34 PM EDT
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Getting back in the game. Who makes an off the shelf barrel that allows for the smallest rail to suppressor gap with a standard AE collar? I went with a BA 16", had it chopped to 15.1" and pinned and welded. Got it back and it had more gap than I wanted, so hoping for better results this go around. Picture of my previous upper.
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USA
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Posted: 1/24/2021 4:29:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03CR: Getting back in the game. Who makes an off the shelf barrel that allows for the smallest rail to suppressor gap with a standard AE collar? I went with a BA 16", had it chopped to 15.1" and pinned and welded. Got it back and it had more gap than I wanted, so hoping for better results this go around. Picture of my previous upper. https://i.imgur.com/iQrtvvkl.jpg Send it to d wilson and it’ll be tight |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 4:33:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By emtothedee: Send it to d wilson and it’ll be tight That's who I had do the work last time. |
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USA
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Posted: 1/24/2021 4:54:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03CR: That's who I had do the work last time. 😩 |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:01:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03CR: That's who I had do the work last time. You may not be able to hit 16" with a P/W and have a flush fit to the rail. Not sure on the math. |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:40:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: You may not be able to hit 16" with a P/W and have a flush fit to the rail. Not sure on the math. I'll likely run it on an SBR lower. I have more uppers than lowers now. 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2021 5:45:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03CR: I'll likely run it on an SBR lower. I have more uppers than lowers now. Gap is more clone too. Welcome back and welcome to the part Duex club! |
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Posted: 1/24/2021 6:28:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03CR: I'll likely run it on an SBR lower. I have more uppers than lowers now. I think yours looks good as is. Sure a super flush fit is nice but yours is nothing to lose sleep over. |
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Posted: 1/25/2021 8:29:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ic_guerrero: As close as I could get. 14.5” MRE Recce https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58542/C70B5ADC-1F39-426D-ABBA-7B3D1053E039_jpe-1780212.JPG Is that a 1.93” mount? This may be the next road I travel down- just ordered a 14.5 SOCOM barrel |
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Posted: 1/26/2021 1:54:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: USMCSGT0331]
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I've got 2 sets of MA110 rings sitting here and I'm not sure which set to use for my OG SEAL build with 2.5-10x32 scope. The set on the left is pre-2010, the set on the right is 2010 to current issue. There's subtle differences between the sets, I'm trying to figure out which set would fit the time frame for my clone build. I'm assuming it's the pre-2010 rings, but I'm not certain. Here's some pics:
    Also, I have 3 of the x32 scopes, but 2 of them are .25 MOA turret adjustments and the other is .1 MRAD. I know the SEALS used the .25 MOA turrets on their other NF scopes, but did they ever use the .1 MRAD turrets? Or was that an Army thing?   |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2021 7:30:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCSGT0331: I've got 2 sets of MA110 rings sitting here and I'm not sure which set to use for my OG SEAL build with 2.5-10x32 scope. The set on the left is pre-2010, the set on the right is 2010 to current issue. There's subtle differences between the sets, I'm trying to figure out which set would fit the time frame for my clone build. I'm assuming it's the pre-2010 rings, but I'm not certain. Here's some pics: https://i.imgur.com/XKe9Jm8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PqKFY2B.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7zulLB0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HZc8JiS.jpg Also, I have 3 of the x32 scopes, but 2 of them are .25 MOA turret adjustments and the other is .1 MRAD. I know the SEALS used the .25 MOA turrets on their other NF scopes, but did they ever use the .1 MRAD turrets? Or was that an Army thing? https://i.imgur.com/lfCJnRr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2PgxFHX.jpg PM if you don’t need all of those scopes. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/26/2021 8:55:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCSGT0331: I've got 2 sets of MA110 rings sitting here and I'm not sure which set to use for my OG SEAL build with 2.5-10x32 scope. The set on the left is pre-2010, the set on the right is 2010 to current issue. There's subtle differences between the sets, I'm trying to figure out which set would fit the time frame for my clone build. I'm assuming it's the pre-2010 rings, but I'm not certain. Here's some pics: https://i.imgur.com/XKe9Jm8.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PqKFY2B.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7zulLB0.jpg https://i.imgur.com/HZc8JiS.jpg Also, I have 3 of the x32 scopes, but 2 of them are .25 MOA turret adjustments and the other is .1 MRAD. I know the SEALS used the .25 MOA turrets on their other NF scopes, but did they ever use the .1 MRAD turrets? Or was that an Army thing? https://i.imgur.com/lfCJnRr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2PgxFHX.jpg MOA/MIL would be more correct I'd assume for that time frame. If your actually going to shoot it a lot and go past 600yd I'd put the MIL/MIL on there. The 5 MILS on the reticle would get you out to 600 with heavies no problem. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/5/2021 5:50:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SSOUNN]
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Made some minor changes
 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2021 10:12:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN: Made some minor changes https://i.postimg.cc/BtWFbHCS/24041214-9902-467-C-A41-E-EC003478-B910.jpg Looking good! Reverse Burris gang. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2021 3:45:49 PM EDT
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My apologies if this was covered but I’m looking at doing a Recce clone.
Were the Recce uppers placed on M4a1 lowers? |
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SOM
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Posted: 2/7/2021 4:27:43 PM EDT
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Any theories about why the dumped the 416??
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/7/2021 7:28:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brandon123184: My apologies if this was covered but I’m looking at doing a Recce clone. Were the Recce uppers placed on M4a1 lowers? Yes. |
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Posted: 2/8/2021 2:19:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DougFresh: Any theories about why the dumped the 416?? Because it is heavy, had QC issues and there is better shit out there. |
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SOM
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Posted: 2/8/2021 10:36:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DougFresh]
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Pardon my ignorance I read this thread about 10 pages or so and then I got tired I can’t figure out where the NSW Reece/recce is. I searched GunBroker for NSW nothing came up I know that Noveske used to make a Recce”. You guys seem to be referring to an AR with varying length barrels a suppressor a multi power optical site and collapsible stock generically as an NSW no matter what the maker- am I correct about us ? As for me I thought that NSW used the HK 416 because of its piston design. Now it looks like they’ve gone back to previous designs. Am I right? Then I see the Daniel defense mark 18 sold as “used by socom”. Not trying to go off on a tangent but what is the tier 1 rifle is most commonly these days or a mishmash based on each individual operators preference. Until I recently figured out I could buy an A.R. pistol I could never dream of having a weapon similar to that used by special forces. Frankly when I clicked on the thread I thought it was people making short barrels or pistol versions of the HK 416 making kind of no easy day Devgru replicas
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 10:50:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DougFresh: Pardon my ignorance I read this thread about 10 pages or so and then I got tired I can’t figure out where the NSW Reece/recce is. I searched GunBroker for NSW nothing came up I know that Noveske used to make a Recce”. You guys seem to be referring to an AR with varying length barrels a suppressor a multi power optical site and collapsible stock generically as an NSW no matter what the maker- am I correct about us ? As for me I thought that NSW used the HK 416 because of its piston design. Now it looks like they’ve gone back to previous designs. Am I right? Then I see the Daniel defense mark 18 sold as “used by socom”. Not trying to go off on a tangent but what is the tier 1 rifle is most commonly these days or a mishmash based on each individual operators preference. Until I recently figured out I could buy an A.R. pistol I could never dream of having a weapon similar to that used by special forces. Frankly when I clicked on the thread I thought it was people making short barrels or pistol versions of the HK 416 making kind of no easy day Devgru replicas First post is pretty all-encompassing. They all used 15.1" or 16" barrels. Minor variations here and there, but it's put into a pretty small box. |
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Posted: 2/9/2021 11:59:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TinyCrumb]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DougFresh: Pardon my ignorance I read this thread about 10 pages or so and then I got tired I can’t figure out where the NSW Reece/recce is. I searched GunBroker for NSW nothing came up I know that Noveske used to make a Recce”. You guys seem to be referring to an AR with varying length barrels a suppressor a multi power optical site and collapsible stock generically as an NSW no matter what the maker- am I correct about us ? As for me I thought that NSW used the HK 416 because of its piston design. Now it looks like they’ve gone back to previous designs. Am I right? Then I see the Daniel defense mark 18 sold as “used by socom”. Not trying to go off on a tangent but what is the tier 1 rifle is most commonly these days or a mishmash based on each individual operators preference. Until I recently figured out I could buy an A.R. pistol I could never dream of having a weapon similar to that used by special forces. Frankly when I clicked on the thread I thought it was people making short barrels or pistol versions of the HK 416 making kind of no easy day Devgru replicas - Recce is just slang for "recon", so this is just a recon rifle. It's not an actual brand of rifle, it's just a somewhat specific configuration that was used for a time inside of devgru. It's similar in purpose and capability to the SPR or Mk 12 family of rifles. Basic idea is just a fairly accurate M4 using specialized ammo. It's still being used today because it's a capable platform and meets needs that other systems don't. - The varying length of barrel, and suppressor, etc… is because the rifle/configuration varied over time and over different groups. But generally the purpose of the rifle is the same. - They didn't use the 416 because of its "piston design". They chose it because it met their needs. They haven't gone back to "previous designs", they've just chosen a different carbine that meets their current needs. - The Mk 18 has nothing to do with this thread. It's an issued 10" carbine within socom. Vanilla SEAL teams get it, but it's not used within devgru (different weapons altogether). There are a few photos floating around where individual operators have set Mk 18s up as "recce rifles", I.e., adding a Nightforce, bi-pod and moving the laser off to the side so it's compatible with CNVDs. So you could make an argument that that's technically also an "NSW Recce" but it's not really what this thread is about. - The no easy day carbine has nothing to do with this thread. That would be just a standard issue dev 10.4" 416 set up as an assaulter-style configuration (EOTech, etc…). But again, plenty of operators have also setup 10.4" 416s as "recces". - If your goal is to own a clone of a rifle used by SOF, then decide what you want to do with it first. If you want to be clearing rooms or primarily shooting up close then something like the Mk 18 or a 10" 416 would work great. If your goal is to be out shooting on open land past 200yds then something like a recce or Mk 12 is a great option. |
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SOM
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Posted: 2/9/2021 9:31:50 PM EDT
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^^^Thank you so much for the explanation I understand better now.
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Posted: 2/9/2021 9:53:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN: Made some minor changes https://i.postimg.cc/BtWFbHCS/24041214-9902-467-C-A41-E-EC003478-B910.jpg @SSOUNN Can I get some info on the red dot setup? I am trying to mount my 507c to my Tr24. |
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Posted: 2/9/2021 10:02:07 PM EDT
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Just a heads up, CLE has a 3 month lead time on barrels. Happy to wait it out for a nice barrel, not a complaint. Ordered 12/30/20, emailed last night to check status, and was advised of a 90 day ETA from date of order.
My parts pile is gathering dust 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/9/2021 10:16:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Just a heads up, CLE has a 3 month lead time on barrels. Happy to wait it out for a nice barrel, not a complaint. Ordered 12/30/20, emailed last night to check status, and was advised of a 90 day ETA from date of order. My parts pile is gathering dust It's well worth the wait. What did you spec? |
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Posted: 2/9/2021 11:08:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Just a heads up, CLE has a 3 month lead time on barrels. Happy to wait it out for a nice barrel, not a complaint. Ordered 12/30/20, emailed last night to check status, and was advised of a 90 day ETA from date of order. My parts pile is gathering dust Can confirm. Actually, Frank told me they were beyond three months now. |
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Posted: 2/9/2021 11:15:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: It's well worth the wait. What did you spec? Douglas in 1/7 twist with a Wylde chamber and the cerakote black. I went back and forth searching far and wide on the internet on the wylde versus cle chambers. Both my mod h and mod 1 have Douglas barrels and they shoot great, both have normal 556 nato spec chambers. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 12:54:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TinyCrumb: - Recce is just slang for "recon", so this is just a recon rifle. It's not an actual brand of rifle, it's just a somewhat specific configuration that was used for a time inside of devgru. It's similar in purpose and capability to the SPR or Mk 12 family of rifles. Basic idea is just a fairly accurate M4 using specialized ammo. It's still being used today because it's a capable platform and meets needs that other systems don't. - The varying length of barrel, and suppressor, etc… is because the rifle/configuration varied over time and over different groups. But generally the purpose of the rifle is the same. - They didn't use the 416 because of its "piston design". They chose it because it met their needs. They haven't gone back to "previous designs", they've just chosen a different carbine that meets their current needs. - The Mk 18 has nothing to do with this thread. It's an issued 10" carbine within socom. Vanilla SEAL teams get it, but it's not used within devgru (different weapons altogether). There are a few photos floating around where individual operators have set Mk 18s up as "recce rifles", I.e., adding a Nightforce, bi-pod and moving the laser off to the side so it's compatible with CNVDs. So you could make an argument that that's technically also an "NSW Recce" but it's not really what this thread is about. - The no easy day carbine has nothing to do with this thread. That would be just a standard issue dev 10.4" 416 set up as an assaulter-style configuration (EOTech, etc…). But again, plenty of operators have also setup 10.4" 416s as "recces". - If your goal is to own a clone of a rifle used by SOF, then decide what you want to do with it first. If you want to be clearing rooms or primarily shooting up close then something like the Mk 18 or a 10" 416 would work great. If your goal is to be out shooting on open land past 200yds then something like a recce or Mk 12 is a great option. Which begs the question, 15,1” or 16”, and why? Which was used in greater numbers? The reason I ask is, I had Kevin build me up REECEish 16” a number of years ago, using URX3 with a 16” SS barrel, profiled for my OPS brake and collar, well I kept the barrel (unfired) but sold the URX, I now have everything to correctly build a NSW, REECE except my barrel needs to either be built as is, or send it to D Wilson, have it shortened and reprofiled. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 5:03:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mstennes: Which begs the question, 15,1” or 16”, and why? Which was used in greater numbers? The reason I ask is, I had Kevin build me up REECEish 16” a number of years ago, using URX3 with a 16” SS barrel, profiled for my OPS brake and collar, well I kept the barrel (unfired) but sold the URX, I now have everything to correctly build a NSW, REECE except my barrel needs to either be built as is, or send it to D Wilson, have it shortened and reprofiled. Idk about "seen in greater numbers", but a 15.1 with the KAC RAS, iirc, will bring the suppressor damn near touching the handguard. Pretty bitchin' look imo. when i get around to a Recce, that is what im going to be going with |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 5:18:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SSOUNN]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk: @SSOUNN Can I get some info on the red dot setup? I am trying to mount my 507c to my Tr24. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk: Originally Posted By SSOUNN: Made some minor changes https://i.postimg.cc/BtWFbHCS/24041214-9902-467-C-A41-E-EC003478-B910.jpg @SSOUNN Can I get some info on the red dot setup? I am trying to mount my 507c to my Tr24. It’s a Docter RedDot sitting on Burris FastFire Mount ( P/N 410338 ) |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 8:36:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mstennes: Which begs the question, 15,1” or 16”, and why? Which was used in greater numbers? The reason I ask is, I had Kevin build me up REECEish 16” a number of years ago, using URX3 with a 16” SS barrel, profiled for my OPS brake and collar, well I kept the barrel (unfired) but sold the URX, I now have everything to correctly build a NSW, REECE except my barrel needs to either be built as is, or send it to D Wilson, have it shortened and reprofiled. There are no ITW pictures of a 16" NSW Recce with a 12th model attached If your planning on running the 12th/AEM5 and want to stay clone 15.1" is what you will want. If you want to run a 16" then the Lilja/249f/NT4 would be clone correct. With that being said the NSW Recce with a 16" and the 12th/AEM5 is still a very good looking rig and plenty of guys in this thread are running that setup. If I were you I'd chop it to 15.1" before the build. That gap will bug you and it not being a true clone will also bug you. If that matters to you. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 8:39:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mstennes: Which begs the question, 15,1" or 16", and why? Which was used in greater numbers? The reason I ask is, I had Kevin build me up REECEish 16" a number of years ago, using URX3 with a 16" SS barrel, profiled for my OPS brake and collar, well I kept the barrel (unfired) but sold the URX, I now have everything to correctly build a NSW, REECE except my barrel needs to either be built as is, or send it to D Wilson, have it shortened and reprofiled. My old Mod1 has been rebuilt into a 16" recce. I shoot with @Eyekahn all the time and while it may not seem like it, that little bit of length does make a psychological difference, if nothing else. The NSW just feels a slight bit more handy and maneuverable. Both look great, and I see no good reason to go back to an 18" barrel as the ballistics aren't that far apart, but there is a difference between 15.1" and 16" and there is certainly a big difference in those vs. the 18" Mk12 platform. All are great, however. 
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 10:13:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: My old Mod1 has been rebuilt into a 16" recce. I shoot with @Eyekahn all the time and while it may not seem like it, that little bit of length does make a psychological difference, if nothing else. The NSW just feels a slight bit more handy and maneuverable. Both look great, and I see no good reason to go back to an 18" barrel as the ballistics aren't that far apart, but there is a difference between 15.1" and 16" and there is certainly a big difference in those vs. the 18" Mk12 platform. All are great, however. https://i.imgur.com/5wookqA.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By mstennes: Which begs the question, 15,1" or 16", and why? Which was used in greater numbers? The reason I ask is, I had Kevin build me up REECEish 16" a number of years ago, using URX3 with a 16" SS barrel, profiled for my OPS brake and collar, well I kept the barrel (unfired) but sold the URX, I now have everything to correctly build a NSW, REECE except my barrel needs to either be built as is, or send it to D Wilson, have it shortened and reprofiled. My old Mod1 has been rebuilt into a 16" recce. I shoot with @Eyekahn all the time and while it may not seem like it, that little bit of length does make a psychological difference, if nothing else. The NSW just feels a slight bit more handy and maneuverable. Both look great, and I see no good reason to go back to an 18" barrel as the ballistics aren't that far apart, but there is a difference between 15.1" and 16" and there is certainly a big difference in those vs. the 18" Mk12 platform. All are great, however. https://i.imgur.com/5wookqA.jpg I feel the same way.. My Mod 1 doesn’t get much love at all and sits there collecting dust.. Was planning to go 16”, BUUT I already have a 15.1, any reason to have both 15.1 and 16 NSW, other than just because... lol |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 11:17:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN: I feel the same way.. My Mod 1 doesn’t get much love at all and sits there collecting dust.. Was planning to go 16”, BUUT I already have a 15.1, any reason to have both 15.1 and 16 NSW, other than just because... lol Not at all ha. 15.1" is life. I will say however if you have the means to keep a legit MK12 in the stable I would do that, if not for anything else but the sound alone! |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 2:01:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN: It’s a Docter RedDot sitting on Burris FastFire Mount ( P/N 410338 ) Is that double rings? Does it have the same footprint as the rmr/507? |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 2:30:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rothperson87]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: My old Mod1 has been rebuilt into a 16" recce. I shoot with @Eyekahn all the time and while it may not seem like it, that little bit of length does make a psychological difference, if nothing else. The NSW just feels a slight bit more handy and maneuverable. Both look great, and I see no good reason to go back to an 18" barrel as the ballistics aren't that far apart, but there is a difference between 15.1" and 16" and there is certainly a big difference in those vs. the 18" Mk12 platform. All are great, however. https://i.imgur.com/5wookqA.jpg Did you notice any difference between the mid length and rifle length gas system? I would think the rifle length would have a slightly softer recoil impulse...yes/no? |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 2:40:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk: Is that double rings? Does it have the same footprint as the rmr/507? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk: Originally Posted By SSOUNN: It’s a Docter RedDot sitting on Burris FastFire Mount ( P/N 410338 ) Is that double rings? Does it have the same footprint as the rmr/507? Double Rings..?? It’s just a 3.5 MOA Dot, and NO the Mount is compatible with Docter, FastFire, Vortex Viper/Venom.. Just to name a few..
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TX, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 2:52:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN: Double Rings..?? It’s just a 3.5 MOA Dot, and NO the Mount is compatible with Docter, FastFire, Vortex Viper/Venom.. Just to name a few.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN: Originally Posted By pumbaajk: Originally Posted By SSOUNN: It’s a Docter RedDot sitting on Burris FastFire Mount ( P/N 410338 ) Is that double rings? Does it have the same footprint as the rmr/507? Double Rings..?? It’s just a 3.5 MOA Dot, and NO the Mount is compatible with Docter, FastFire, Vortex Viper/Venom.. Just to name a few.. @SSOUNN I think by double rings he meant the Docter is on its own ring, and not attached to the scope ring. The answer is yes. That ring can be mounted anywhere along the tube and rotated around it wherever you want it. That rifle is titties! I need to decide which route to go. I already have a 16" CLE, but I have the Armalite tube over that. Seems silly to get a 15.1 also. The Lilja seems like a logical route for me |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 4:16:15 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: @SSOUNN I think by double rings he meant the Docter is on its own ring, and not attached to the scope ring. The answer is yes. That ring can be mounted anywhere along the tube and rotated around it wherever you want it. That rifle is titties! I need to decide which route to go. I already have a 16" CLE, but I have the Armalite tube over that. Seems silly to get a 15.1 also. The Lilja seems like a logical route for me Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CMCctx: Originally Posted By SSOUNN: Originally Posted By pumbaajk: Originally Posted By SSOUNN: It’s a Docter RedDot sitting on Burris FastFire Mount ( P/N 410338 ) Is that double rings? Does it have the same footprint as the rmr/507? Double Rings..?? It’s just a 3.5 MOA Dot, and NO the Mount is compatible with Docter, FastFire, Vortex Viper/Venom.. Just to name a few.. @SSOUNN I think by double rings he meant the Docter is on its own ring, and not attached to the scope ring. The answer is yes. That ring can be mounted anywhere along the tube and rotated around it wherever you want it. That rifle is titties! I need to decide which route to go. I already have a 16" CLE, but I have the Armalite tube over that. Seems silly to get a 15.1 also. The Lilja seems like a logical route for me Alrighty then HaHaHa.. Thanks for clearing that up Brother.. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 8:34:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: Did you notice any difference between the mid length and rifle length gas system? I would think the rifle length would have a slightly softer recoil impulse...yes/no? I'll chime in. It's a small difference but noticeable. It's much more noticeable when you have rifle gas and rifle buffer. An H2 with sprinco spring with the middy is perfect for something like this. A 15.1" with AEM5 is about the same OAL as an Unsuppressed MK12. The NSW without can is only .6in longer than a standard M4. The handiness of it really outweighs that TINY bit more felt recoil. I had a picture of my NSW and J's old MK12 lined up. Can't seem to find it though. |
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Posted: 2/10/2021 9:58:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RTUtah]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN: I feel the same way.. My Mod 1 doesn't get much love at all and sits there collecting dust.. Was planning to go 16", BUUT I already have a 15.1, any reason to have both 15.1 and 16 NSW, other than just because... lol Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SSOUNN: I feel the same way.. My Mod 1 doesn't get much love at all and sits there collecting dust.. Was planning to go 16", BUUT I already have a 15.1, any reason to have both 15.1 and 16 NSW, other than just because... lol If you already have a 15.1, convert the 16 to an 11.3 mini.  Originally Posted By Rothperson87: Did you notice any difference between the mid length and rifle length gas system? I would think the rifle length would have a slightly softer recoil impulse...yes/no? Negligible difference, I'd say. Originally Posted By Eyekahn: I'll chime in. It's a small difference but noticeable. It's much more noticeable when you have rifle gas and rifle buffer. An H2 with sprinco spring with the middy is perfect for something like this. A 15.1" with AEM5 is about the same OAL as an Unsuppressed MK12. The NSW without can is only .6in longer than a standard M4. The handiness of it really outweighs that TINY bit more felt recoil. I had a picture of my NSW and J's old MK12 lined up. Can't seem to find it though. Totally. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/10/2021 10:08:42 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: If you already have a 15.1, convert the 16 to an 11.3 mini. Negligible difference, I'd say. Totally. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah: Originally Posted By SSOUNN: I feel the same way.. My Mod 1 doesn't get much love at all and sits there collecting dust.. Was planning to go 16", BUUT I already have a 15.1, any reason to have both 15.1 and 16 NSW, other than just because... lol If you already have a 15.1, convert the 16 to an 11.3 mini. Originally Posted By Rothperson87: Did you notice any difference between the mid length and rifle length gas system? I would think the rifle length would have a slightly softer recoil impulse...yes/no? Negligible difference, I'd say. Originally Posted By Eyekahn: I'll chime in. It's a small difference but noticeable. It's much more noticeable when you have rifle gas and rifle buffer. An H2 with sprinco spring with the middy is perfect for something like this. A 15.1" with AEM5 is about the same OAL as an Unsuppressed MK12. The NSW without can is only .6in longer than a standard M4. The handiness of it really outweighs that TINY bit more felt recoil. I had a picture of my NSW and J's old MK12 lined up. Can't seem to find it though. Totally. I have an 11.3 AR Pistol w/ Medium FF RAS  but with a RedDot tho lol
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Posted: 2/11/2021 12:45:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Rothperson87]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: I'll chime in. It's a small difference but noticeable. It's much more noticeable when you have rifle gas and rifle buffer. An H2 with sprinco spring with the middy is perfect for something like this. A 15.1" with AEM5 is about the same OAL as an Unsuppressed MK12. The NSW without can is only .6in longer than a standard M4. The handiness of it really outweighs that TINY bit more felt recoil. I had a picture of my NSW and J's old MK12 lined up. Can't seem to find it though. There’s part of me that want to chop down my mod 1 to go along with my mini NSW recce but I have a block II setup as a recce that’s a nice shooter. No need for two rifles within .6" of each other. Something about the mod 1 and the exposed gas block that I can’t get rid of it. Maybe I’ve watched lone survivor one too many times. |
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MS, USA
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Posted: 2/11/2021 1:13:55 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By robertototototo: My recce has had some pretty bad overgassing issues. The Lilja M4 barrel has a gaping 0.080" gas port and carbine gas system. Using Mk262 mod 1c in this upper, the casings were bouncing off of the FF RAS nut. Overall the action was just way more violent then my URGI upper. I have a G42 spring and H2 buffer in my lower. I did some research and found the BRT eztune gas tubes. I didn't want to bother with taking off my gas block and installing the BRT gas block screw. Based off of their recommendation from my setup (Lilja M4 barrel, 0.080" gas port, carbine gas, G42 spring, H2 buffer, and using 77gr 5.56), I got a tube that had a 0.0625 hole. The difference in size between the standard gas tube hole and the BRT is pretty crazy. Installed it and got to test fire it today. The recce now shoots much softer and the casings are ejecting at exactly 3:00. I know the ejection pattern doesn't really matter, but the rifle isn't as jumpy and my crosshair isn't bouncing off of the target as much. Overall highly recommended if you have a Lilja m4 recce build! https://i.imgur.com/tlImGLj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/UXEmO5B.jpg https://i.imgur.com/f6583GS.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cz9XQgZ.jpg Just found this post. I have the Lija and know of what you speak. I asked Carson Lilja (Dan's son) about that port size. He says the background on the hoggish .080" port is lost in the mist of time but that this is how Crane spec'd it. Maybe they just wanted to make damned sure the thing would cycle under any conceivable operating conditions, softness be damned. I have sub 1/2 MOA match loads with light 52 grain Bergers that have the best accuracy node down at .223 pressures. They cycle reliably and ejection pattern is about 3 o'clock. So, I've not tackled the serious over-gassing with 5.56 power 77 grain SMKs. They do really snap, for sure. I was debating an adjustable gas block or insert. Didn't know someone was making a correctly sized gas tube. Thanks. I'm going to try that. Thanks for this information. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 2/11/2021 5:11:30 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rothperson87: There’s part of me that want to chop down my mod 1 to go along with my mini NSW recce but I have a block II setup as a recce that’s a nice shooter. No need for two rifles within .6" of each other. Something about the mod 1 and the exposed gas block that I can’t get rid of it. Maybe I’ve watched lone survivor one too many times. If you have a B2 Recce I'd leave the mod 1 alone. If you were considering ditching both of your setups I'd replace both of them with a 15.1". That's exactly what it was made for! |
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