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Posted: 6/10/2018 11:23:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/31/2020 7:29:23 AM EST by Eyekahn]
Branching off from the normal Recce Rifle Thread for just legit clones. These have the most varying setups of all the clones, I believe. There is no hard data listed for every piece of equipment on these rifles. Only ITW photo's and some small lists of procurement from NSW. I have outlined the parts used most commonly but there are plenty of versions that are not covered in this list. The ITW one off photos of an already one off setup can be cloned using the parts visible in the photo!

There are 4 major types of these clones. All are built on Colt receivers except the 416 variant. Details are below

NSW RECCE RIFLE:

Optic: 2.5-10x24 Nightforce
Rings: Nightforce A110's.
Piggybacked Optics: Jpoint, Doctor, T1, or Insight MRDS. All using the respective mounts for each either using Wilcox NF ring cap. NF/Wilcox RULR cap, or 30mm tube mounts.
Handguard: KAC FF RAS Rifle Length
Barrel: Mystery Manufacturer. is 15.1" in length and uses the Ops Inc brake and collar
Suppressor: Ops 12th Model(AEM5 kosher too)
Bipod's: Atlas BT10 or Harris 6-9
Pistol Grips: A2 or DPMS
VFG: TD VFG
Stocks: SOPMOD or CTR

NSW 416 Recce:

Optic: Nightforce 2.5-10x24 or Nightforce 1-4x24
Piggybacked Optic: Doctor or Insight MRDS. Mounted in Wilcox Ring Cap or Insight 30mm Mount/Cap.
Rings: Nightforce A110, or Unimount. Larue LT101 Riser
Handguard: Factory HK
Barrel: 13"? Chopped HK barrel with Ops Collar and Brake, 14.5", or 10.4" HK
Muzzle Device: AAC 18T, BE Myers 249F, or Ops Brake
Suppressor: Ops 12th Model or AAC 416SD
Pistol Grips: TD or HK
VFG: TD, Grip Pod, or KAC
Stocks: SOPMOD, CTR, Vltor, or Factory HK

OG SEAL Recce:

Optic: 2.5-10x24/32 Nightforce or Leupold Vari-x/MK4 series
Rings: Nightforce A110's, Leupold MK4, or KAC 1.4/5"
Piggybacked Optics: Doctor in Wilcox NF mount. NF RULR Mount
Handguard: KAC FF RAS Rifle Length and Medium Length
Barrel: Lilja 17" SS
Muzzle Device: KAC M4QD or BE Myers 249F
Suppressor: KAC M4 QDSS CORNCOB
Bipod's: Harris 6-9 or Grip Pod
Pistol Grips: A2
Stocks: SOPMOD or CTR

Delta Recce:

Optic: S&B Short Dot
Rings: Larue LT101 Riser, Larue Rings
Handguard: KAC MRE
Barrel: 14.5 M4A1 Colt
Muzzle Device: KAC M4QD
Suppressor: KAC M4 QDSS CORNCOB
Pistol Grips: A2
VFG: Gangsta Grip
Stocks: SOPMOD or Car


ISSUED GUNS:

NSW RECCE

















NSW 416 RECCE:






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OG SEAL RECCE:













DELTA RECCE:





CLONES:












My rig.







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Because Ryan Reynolds likes clones.
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About time! I'm in.....

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Does mine qualify..

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Ohh yea!
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Originally Posted By Dobs013:
About time! I'm in.....

https://i.imgur.com/mZYUce5.jpg
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Damnit. I forgot yours in my pic dump!
Link Posted: 6/10/2018 12:22:11 PM EST
A .mil recce clone thread? I have no problem with this. Nothing wrong with trying to zero in on how the military defines this setup.
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
A .mil recce clone thread? I have no problem with this. Nothing wrong with trying to zero in on how the military defines this setup.
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I thought you put him up to this.
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Originally Posted By eMc9001:

I thought you put him up to this.
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lol, nah. I don't even have a gun to post in here.
Link Posted: 6/10/2018 12:35:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:

lol, nah. I don't even have a gun to post in here.
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I can be in Wilmington in 2 hours with a hacksaw.
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I can be in Wilmington in 2 hours with a hacksaw.
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn:

Damnit. I forgot yours in my pic dump!
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No worries man! Ive thought about starting this thread for about a year, but I wasn't happy with anything I had until now
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lol, nah. I don't even have a gun to post in here.
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You better get on it
Link Posted: 6/10/2018 1:33:03 PM EST
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You better get on it
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Might be something in the near future, who knows...
Link Posted: 6/10/2018 1:39:43 PM EST
This is the thread I have been waiting for!
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn:

Because Ryan Reynolds likes clones.
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Ok sounds good, mine I used to have...

Link Posted: 6/10/2018 2:59:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/10/2018 3:01:51 PM EST by simplefolk]
Good timing, I was just thinking about this earlier today and wondering if a mil specific recce thread existed. Thanks.

What’s the appropriate gas system - wiki says carbine. Can anyone comment?
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Originally Posted By simplefolk:
Good timing, I was just thinking about this earlier today and wondering if a mil specific recce thread existed. Thanks.

What’s the appropriate gas system - wiki says carbine. Can anyone comment?
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Appropriate is carbine, carbine is known to be in use, I know people use mid-gas on clones bc it is better, I don't know if it has been seen in use by the mil.
Link Posted: 6/10/2018 3:29:04 PM EST
Aren't half of these just mk12s?
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Aren't half of these just mk12s?
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From what I've gathered from the limited info out there, the recce was an idea floating around with a few being built before the mk12 program was instituted. When the mk12 program was on full swing the recce was placed on the back burner. When the mod 1 rifles started seeing use by NSW, they supposedly weren't the happiest with the mod 1setup. So then the recce was pulled back out again, most of which being built by team armors out of parts available. So it would make sense that mod 1's were at some point used as donors. But there doesn't seem to be a solid parts list to follow. Most appear to have been built on request by the operator using parts and configurations requested by each individual.
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Originally Posted By TannerB:
Aren't half of these just mk12s?
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16" mk12s is what it looks like
Link Posted: 6/10/2018 6:58:31 PM EST
Ok guys help me.... I’m trying to get as close to a seal Recce as possible. With a leupy mk4 2.5-8, which Mount would you go with, Larue SPR 1.5 or ARMS #22M???
Link Posted: 6/10/2018 7:03:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Ok guys help me.... I’m trying to get as close to a seal Recce as possible. With a leupy mk4 2.5-8, which Mount would you go with, Larue SPR 1.5 or ARMS #22M???
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I'd say ARMS. Kinda goes hand in hand with the Leupold. NF has more options as seen. ETA: on a side note, 234 days currently for a form 1 on a Colt lower. Until then I can't participate lol.
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Ok guys help me.... I’m trying to get as close to a seal Recce as possible. With a leupy mk4 2.5-8, which Mount would you go with, Larue SPR 1.5 or ARMS #22M???
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Between those options, I would go with the Larue. If you want a.r.m.s rings, you have to find nls's. Then you are $200+ into a set of rings that really are garbage. Even if they are tight when you get them, they will loosen over time not to mention you have to lap the hell out of them.
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Originally Posted By Dobs013:
Between those options, I would go with the Larue. If you want a.r.m.s rings, you have to find nls's. Then you are $200+ into a set of rings that really are garbage. Even if they are tight when you get them, they will loosen over time not to mention you have to lap the hell out of them.
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Ok guys help me.... I’m trying to get as close to a seal Recce as possible. With a leupy mk4 2.5-8, which Mount would you go with, Larue SPR 1.5 or ARMS #22M???
Between those options, I would go with the Larue. If you want a.r.m.s rings, you have to find nls's. Then you are $200+ into a set of rings that really are garbage. Even if they are tight when you get them, they will loosen over time not to mention you have to lap the hell out of them.
This plus 5000
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Originally Posted By eMc9001:

I'd say ARMS. Kinda goes hand in hand with the Leupold. NF has more options as seen. ETA: on a side note, 234 days currently for a form 1 on a Colt lower. Until then I can't participate lol.
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I just had my card ran by the ATF for my AEM5 so it’ll be a while for me also. However, my barrel should be back from ADCO anyday now. I’m sure J will let me blast his a few times before my AEM5 gets approved.
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn:

I just had my card ran by the ATF for my AEM5 so it’ll be a while for me also. However, my barrel should be back from ADCO anyday now. I’m sure J will let me blast his a few times before my AEM5 gets approved.
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Yeah I'm around the 200 day mark for my AEM5 as well. I did my barrel through ADCO too, look's great but the waiting is killing me lol. That'll be a plus though.
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn:

I just had my card ran by the ATF for my AEM5 so it'll be a while for me also. However, my barrel should be back from ADCO anyday now. I'm sure J will let me blast his a few times before my AEM5 gets approved.
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Where are you guys finding your KAC 12” rails?

ETA: and how bad would I get shunned for using Larue 12” rails if I can’t find a set of KAC rails?
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Where are you guys finding your KAC 12” rails?

ETA: and how bad would I get shunned for using Larue 12” rails if I can’t find a set of KAC rails?
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Sign up for a notification at operations parts. They also pop up in the EE from time to time.
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Sign up for a notification at operations parts. They also pop up in the EE from time to time.
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Where are you guys finding your KAC 12” rails?

ETA: and how bad would I get shunned for using Larue 12” rails if I can’t find a set of KAC rails?
Sign up for a notification at operations parts. They also pop up in the EE from time to time.
They have 14 in stock for $350. Guess I’m not eating a full meal this week....
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They have 14 in stock for $350. Guess I’m not eating a full meal this week....
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Where are you guys finding your KAC 12” rails?

ETA: and how bad would I get shunned for using Larue 12” rails if I can’t find a set of KAC rails?
Sign up for a notification at operations parts. They also pop up in the EE from time to time.
They have 14 in stock for $350. Guess I’m not eating a full meal this week....
Food is temporary but cloneyness is forever.
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In on 1
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Attachment Attached File


@eMc9001 This one is airsoft
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CAG Colt M4A1 MRE clone + KAC QDSS-NT4 suppressor ??
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I like it!  BUIS optional.
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They have 14 in stock for $350. Guess I'm not eating a full meal this week....
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Attaboy.
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They have 14 in stock for $350. Guess I’m not eating a full meal this week....
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It's cool, it's called the clone diet
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They have 14 in stock for $350. Guess I’m not eating a full meal this week....
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Where are you guys finding your KAC 12” rails?

ETA: and how bad would I get shunned for using Larue 12” rails if I can’t find a set of KAC rails?
Sign up for a notification at operations parts. They also pop up in the EE from time to time.
They have 14 in stock for $350. Guess I’m not eating a full meal this week....
I already posted this in another thread, but I figured over here would help as well.  They don't come up very often.
Link Posted: 6/11/2018 9:35:20 AM EST
In on 1
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn:
Branching off from the normal Recce Rifle Thread for just  legit clones. These have the most varying setups of all the clones I believe.

Trying to keep this to the AR platform. But HK is kosher since it is the newer variant.

Here is a quick run down. Can add more items as they get brought up.

RAILS: KAC FF RAS Medium/Long and KAC MRE

OPTICS: Nightforce 2.5-10x24/32, Leupold MK4 Series, S&B Short Dot, and Doctor/T1 Piggybacked

OPTIC MOUNTS: NF Rings, ARMS Rings, NF Unimount, LaRue LT104, LaRue Riser/Ring Combo’s

BARRELS: 16/15.x Ops Cut Barrel, 16in Lilja, or 14.5 M4

BIPODS: Harris 6-9 and Atlas BT10

STOCK: SOPMOD, CAR, or CTR.

MUZZLE DEVICES: Ops/AE,  BE Myers, or KAC NT4

SUPPRESSORS: Ops 12th/AEM5 and KAC NT4


A few to get us started of in the wild and a few of the favorites I’ve collected.

https://i.imgur.com/eQsW54w.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/96efWyH.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/gDCE7Tj.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Su3iHMR.png

https://i.imgur.com/D8jzOnk.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RnSjqeV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ts9Kivo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/QTA7OyW.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/OVEqo9Y.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/agsuTyF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZLDhhMo.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lrgGcuB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5j54vFl.jpg

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Can I get the barrel length on the rifle in that last pic?
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Can I get the barrel length on the rifle in that last pic?
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Scroll through the RECCE thread usnguns and MTxtwelve have had to awsner quite a few times on it. Pretty sure you can tell ADCO and they will handle it but it is SBR length.
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Can I get the barrel length on the rifle in that last pic?
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It's 15", the step has to be moved rearward to accommodate the 1" chop. Doing this allows the taper to sit in a position that allows the aem5 to sit flush with the long ff ras.
Link Posted: 6/11/2018 12:17:51 PM EST
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15.1 supposedly. Just send to adco and explain what you want. I did. Should be back any day now.
Link Posted: 6/11/2018 12:25:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn:

15.1 supposedly. Just send to adco and explain what you want. I did. Should be back any day now.
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I couldn't remember if it was 15" even or 15.1", 15.1" sounds right though.

On another note, my dual switch remote just came in. Now I'm down to needing a peq-15 and a knurled aem5.


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Originally Posted By Dobs013:

It's 15", the step has to be moved rearward to accommodate the 1" chop. Doing this allows the taper to sit in a position that allows the aem5 to sit flush with the long ff ras.
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15.1 supposedly. Just send to adco and explain what you want. I did. Should be back any day now.
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Thanks guys! Might have to come back to this post and ETA some pics in the distant future.
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