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Posted: 5/4/2022 6:44:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ajacobs: I am sure each situation is unique and there are people who advocate for each like Sage Dynamics tends to be the turn it on and leave it on type instructor, and others are momentary. It is probably just a big mental jerk off for me anyway as the likelihood I will ever have to use it is next to none, but still I would venture to guess you can ditch the concept of momentary when it gets to the point that it is hot. I am sure though scenarios can be what ifed to no end. |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 7:40:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swampvol: For all those saying the x300u doesn't have enough throw for rifle duty, then that would suggest that the only surefire light out there that is sufficient is the DF while using the 18650 batteries and not the 123s. The Surefire M600V has roughly 20,000 LUX, ironically. |
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Posted: 6/19/2022 8:43:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/2/2022 9:51:16 PM EDT
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I was here looking around for ideas to switch up the light on my 10.5" to something a little more compact. It's got an ALG rail so I can't remember 100% if I can bolt a second rail at 12oclock. It's already got dd fixed sights on it.
I'm going to check when I get home. I've got an old x300 laying around not getting used so this might be a free solution 
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KS, USA
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Posted: 7/3/2022 8:19:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gunner-g]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UnaStamus: We had a lot of officers running pistol WMLs on issued patrol rifles, and beyond CQB or vehicle take-down range (inside 35yds), they were garbage. Pistol WMLs are floodlights, and generally for longer range capabilities that you find with rifles, long range illumination is desirable. As such, a lot of officers eventually got rid of the pistol WMLs for mounted handheld flashlights or dedicated rifle WMLs that had better throw. I’ve attended, as well as instructor in, low light shooting courses where we put people onto targets at 100yds and further. It becomes very apparently very quickly that positive target identification beyond about 75yds gets incredibly difficult and inconsistent with pistol WMLs because of their design. If the rifle is strictly a HD gun, a pistol WML works just fine so long as you can operate it with both hands under stress. And if you run a Streamlight TLR, do yourself a favor and deactivate the strobe function. It’s useless garbage. If it works for you, then have at it. That said, every guy I’ve ever known seen that ran an Inforce on a LE duty gun (rifle or pistol) has gotten rid of it. For pistol WMLs they’ve gone to SureFire, and for the rifle lights everyone has gone to various options ranging from SureFire to Cloud Defensive and Modlite. Inforce lights have subpar performance. Lower lumens, lower candela, spotty durability, no modularity and overall inferior to competitors. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UnaStamus: We had a lot of officers running pistol WMLs on issued patrol rifles, and beyond CQB or vehicle take-down range (inside 35yds), they were garbage. Pistol WMLs are floodlights, and generally for longer range capabilities that you find with rifles, long range illumination is desirable. As such, a lot of officers eventually got rid of the pistol WMLs for mounted handheld flashlights or dedicated rifle WMLs that had better throw. I’ve attended, as well as instructor in, low light shooting courses where we put people onto targets at 100yds and further. It becomes very apparently very quickly that positive target identification beyond about 75yds gets incredibly difficult and inconsistent with pistol WMLs because of their design. If the rifle is strictly a HD gun, a pistol WML works just fine so long as you can operate it with both hands under stress. And if you run a Streamlight TLR, do yourself a favor and deactivate the strobe function. It’s useless garbage. Originally Posted By takdriver: I have considered the inforce wml at 12 o’clock. Does anyone have an opinion of that light? My hope is that it would be low enough profile that it would work with a lpvo and also offset irons. If it works for you, then have at it. That said, every guy I’ve ever known seen that ran an Inforce on a LE duty gun (rifle or pistol) has gotten rid of it. For pistol WMLs they’ve gone to SureFire, and for the rifle lights everyone has gone to various options ranging from SureFire to Cloud Defensive and Modlite. Inforce lights have subpar performance. Lower lumens, lower candela, spotty durability, no modularity and overall inferior to competitors. I used to use the 12 o’clock mount position and if a company made an actual rifle WM to use at the twelve this would be great! I really really like this configuration! But this light doesn’t exist. I run my WMLs in the 1 o’clock position (orientated from looking down the rifle) and I train with this set up and the learning curve was very short switching from 12 to 1 o’clock. This is very natural for me now. I live in a rural area and a pistol light just doesn’t have the horsepower hat I need in a rual country setting. |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 8:41:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: I was here looking around for ideas to switch up the light on my 10.5" to something a little more compact. It's got an ALG rail so I can't remember 100% if I can bolt a second rail at 12oclock. It's already got dd fixed sights on it. I'm going to check when I get home. I've got an old x300 laying around not getting used so this might be a free solution Work? |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 8:51:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: @03RN Work? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By 03RN: I was here looking around for ideas to switch up the light on my 10.5" to something a little more compact. It's got an ALG rail so I can't remember 100% if I can bolt a second rail at 12oclock. It's already got dd fixed sights on it. I'm going to check when I get home. I've got an old x300 laying around not getting used so this might be a free solution Work? @fooboy No, the rail on my 10.5 is the budget ALG rail and only has holes at the very end. I suppose I could drill some more... |
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Posted: 7/3/2022 9:04:21 AM EDT
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Since the barrel that is the same maybe you'll get lucky and find a V3 9 or 10 inch somewhere
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Posted: 7/3/2022 11:02:34 AM EDT
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Does Unity still make the Exo? I can’t find a black one in stock anywhere. It’s also only compatible with the A model?
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Posted: 7/12/2022 10:43:28 AM EDT
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Easy peasy
 Attached File Attached FileThe 300u fits perfectly. My older 300 has the universal key mounted and I'm not sure where the P key is.  @fooboy |
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Posted: 7/12/2022 11:11:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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That came out awesome. I like momentary-on in this setup by pushing the paddle forward (toward muzzle). The rocker action is too stiff to be useful IMO.
also - if you end up with any wiggle in x300 connection to rail you can trim a rail cover to shim between the DD sight and x300. See first pic in OP ETA: I think Surefire will send you a replacement key. 1-800-828-8809 @03RN |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 10:00:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Easy peasy https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20220712_103403_jpg-2450013.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20220712_103858_jpg-2450014.JPG The 300u fits perfectly. My older 300 has the universal key mounted and I'm not sure where the P key is. @fooboy You still got this setup? How's it holding up? |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 11:35:39 AM EDT
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After seeing an X300 Turbo in a store last week, I think it brings more viability to this application.
I was looking for another pistol light and new they were new and the candela was really high compared to other Surefires. It has one big hot spot and that's it. Very little spill. I think you'd be retarded to put one on a pistol, but I immediately thought it would be perfect for this application. I chose the standard x300u for pistol application because the immense spill fits carry gun stuff better. |
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Posted: 11/19/2022 12:28:08 PM EDT
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Didn't know about X300T. I'll have to check it out.
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Posted: 11/19/2022 1:03:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: @03RN You still got this setup? How's it holding up? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By 03RN: Easy peasy https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20220712_103403_jpg-2450013.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/433221/IMG_20220712_103858_jpg-2450014.JPG The 300u fits perfectly. My older 300 has the universal key mounted and I'm not sure where the P key is. @fooboy You still got this setup? How's it holding up? I think I just shot it once to zero. I'm probably going to sell it just because it's a spare upper at this point. |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 2:11:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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Well, I wanted to put a light on my suppressed gun and I really wanted to give a scout series a try but ended up back with the X300U.
I wanted easy ambi activation but the added cost of tape switches and wire management puts a light package at like $400-500 dollars. I got another Ultra. I did consider trying the new X300B-Turbo but I want to handle one first... I am more wanting this for 0-50 vs 100+Y.  Attached FileT2, SSA, Turbo K, DD 16 inch LW barrel, old school Mega upper/lower, X300U |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 2:29:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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X300T - 650 Lumens - 66,000 candela (Intense spot, thrower)
X300U - 1000 Lumens - 11,000 candela (Floody) From a video. 3 targets at 50 Y. Hard to see flanking targets with Turbo but the Turbo easily pushes past 100Y target. I suppose it's really a question of do you want more of an inside/close quarters light or an outside light? Ultra  Attached FileTurbo  Attached FileTurbo @ 100Y  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 5:01:54 AM EDT
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What about an X400V @ 12:00? I have this on my general purpose/shtf gun.
The optic sight picture isn't obstructed because it's so high to begin with. But the front sight post is blocked by the laser. I installed a blitzkreig chevron post, and as a backup sight, it allows reasonable accuracy at reasonably close distances via both eyes open shooting if the optic were to die. and I really only use it in IR mode with the OKW on the side for white light. But it's nice to have a redundant white light on board if needed. I hope they come out with a Turbo vampire.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 6:45:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Marksman14]
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It’s barely a 25m light. Can it light up stuff farther? Sure. Positive ID something in a hand at those distances? IMHO no.
It doesn’t belong on a rifle, any light that can’t get you to an acceptable zero distance doesn’t. The new turbo would be a better fit, unless it’s a dedicated home defense rifle. |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 7:34:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marksman14: It's barely a 25m light. Can it light up stuff farther? Sure. Positive ID something in a hand at those distances? IMHO no. It doesn't belong on a rifle, any light that can't get you to an acceptable zero distance doesn't. The new turbo would be a better fit, unless it's a dedicated home defense rifle. |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 7:38:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Daggertt: "it" being...? I think the X300U is a fit for me (home, around home). I think it's acceptable at 50Y |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 10:09:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Marksman14]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: I assume he means X300U. He's making a fair point that it's not a long distance light but neither are most of the Surefire scout series (the X300U is basically the same as the M600U 2 cell scout). I think the X300U is a fit for me (home, around home). I think it's acceptable at 50Y Yep this. I concur 50y for a known threat it will do the job. For an unknown where you may have to see a small object in someone’s hands, I personally need something with a little more throw. You may be able to see better or that may not be as big of a concern for you as it is to me, so your light choice may not be the same as mine. YMMV as they say. I got spoiled with the PLHV2 and then the Rein 3.0. Just got a M640 turbo, and I’ve realized I am a candela guy, and really don’t care about the lumens. Personal preference along with personal requirements. I’m appreciating the throw, and don’t feel I’m giving anything up going with candela over lumens. |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 11:12:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marksman14: Yep this. I concur 50y for a known threat it will do the job. For an unknown where you may have to see a small object in someone's hands, I personally need something with a little more throw. You may be able to see better or that may not be as big of a concern for you as it is to me, so your light choice may not be the same as mine. YMMV as they say. I got spoiled with the PLHV2 and then the Rein 3.0. Just got a M640 turbo, and I've realized I am a candela guy, and really don't care about the lumens. Personal preference along with personal requirements. I'm appreciating the throw, and don't feel I'm giving anything up going with candela over lumens. The "known threat" is an interesting concept. YMMV if you're LEO or have a diff set of concerns. |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 11:14:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marksman14: … I got spoiled with the PLHV2 and then the Rein 3.0. Just got a M640 turbo… The X300 Turbo that OP changed the thread title to has more candela at 66,000 than the PLHV2 (54k candela). It does lag behind the REIN 3.0 and M640DFT (both 100k candela). For reference, the previous generation x300u is 11,300 candela and the M640DF is 16k candela. |
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Posted: 4/9/2023 11:49:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kx250ryder: The X300 Turbo that OP changed the thread title to has more candela at 66,000 than the PLHV2 (54k candela). It does lag behind the REIN 3.0 and M640DFT (both 100k candela). For reference, the previous generation x300u is 11,300 candela and the M640DF is 16k candela. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 9:44:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Didn't know about X300T. I'll have to check it out. The X300T is quite a bit better in the long gun application.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 4:43:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kx250ryder: The X300 Turbo that OP changed the thread title to has more candela at 66,000 than the PLHV2 (54k candela). It does lag behind the REIN 3.0 and M640DFT (both 100k candela). For reference, the previous generation x300u is 11,300 candela and the M640DF is 16k candela. Tracking on that, I own (or owned) every light you listed. The new turbo's are quite impressive. Even with a drop in lumens, I was shocked how evenly matched the 640 Turbo is compared to my 3.0's. The X300 Turbo, outdoors, seems really really close to my PLHV2's, but with a tighter hot spot and not as much light outside of the hotspot. They will all, however, do the job outdoors for 95% of users. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 9:32:23 AM EDT
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I just ditched my Modlites for X300 turbos at the 12 o'clock. I've done chasing "best" and am adopting a "good enough and train" mentality. the X300s are cross compatible with all of my pistols and are lightweight, share batteries with everything and durable.
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Posted: 7/19/2023 10:59:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Primetime_1: I just ditched my Modlites for X300 turbos at the 12 o'clock. I've done chasing "best" and am adopting a "good enough and train" mentality. the X300s are cross compatible with all of my pistols and are lightweight, share batteries with everything and durable.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/23/2023 3:41:27 AM EDT
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Has anyone tried using a Modlite pl350 or their pdw350 like this?
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Posted: 8/13/2023 9:26:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kilpat28: Has anyone tried using a Modlite pl350 or their pdw350 like this? Lack of momentary killed the PL350 for me, but I suppose the PDW350 would work well with the right head and switching option. I'm a fan of the X300T 
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Posted: 8/13/2023 7:48:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 0gilthorpe]
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The new turbos are what the last generation of x300s *should* have been after the 600 lumen model.
Really simultaniously sad and hilarious that modlite shot themselves in the foot with no momentary during that period and lost an easy takeover. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 8:00:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0gilthorpe: The new turbos are what the last generation of x300s *should* have been after the 600 lumen model. Really simultaniously sad and hilarious that modlite shot themselves in the foot with no momentary during that period and lost an easy takeover. The shitfit they threw over reviewers' complaints about no momentary didn't help their case. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 8:29:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 0gilthorpe]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AK-12: The shitfit they threw over reviewers' complaints about no momentary didn't help their case. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AK-12: Originally Posted By 0gilthorpe: The new turbos are what the last generation of x300s *should* have been after the 600 lumen model. Really simultaniously sad and hilarious that modlite shot themselves in the foot with no momentary during that period and lost an easy takeover. The shitfit they threw over reviewers' complaints about no momentary didn't help their case. They really need to channel their inner Joe Monday and just put out products and facts, skip social media altogether. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 8:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 0gilthorpe: They really need to channel their inner Joe Monday and just put out products and facts, skip social media altogether. Maybe accept honest criticism with humility, and implement customer requested changes. Instead of severing business relationships with dealers and cutting off customers' warranty service. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 9:01:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AK-12: Maybe accept honest criticism with humility, and implement customer requested changes. Instead of severing business relationships with dealers and cutting off customers' warranty service. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AK-12: Originally Posted By 0gilthorpe: They really need to channel their inner Joe Monday and just put out products and facts, skip social media altogether. Maybe accept honest criticism with humility, and implement customer requested changes. Instead of severing business relationships with dealers and cutting off customers' warranty service. Oh i agree, was just rying to be a bit more cordial about it. Stick to be being a business. Let your work speak for itself and all. |
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Posted: 8/13/2023 10:01:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MONGO45]
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A few months back a reconfigured my work rifle
Geissele 11.5 with T2 and 3x both in Larue mounts and X300 Turbo at 12 o’clock. Slick setup that does everything I need from 0-200y Around 3k through it now and it handles great. Sub MOA from our issued 75gr Gold Dot ammo.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/14/2023 1:05:02 PM EDT
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I don't have any Surefires, but I do have some two TLR-RM2's, two TLR-HL's, and a TLR-RM2 Laser. (I just swapped out a TLR-RM2 for a green laser version).
So far, my favorite position without a doubt is 12:00. Easy to use with either hand, no worries about blocking the light on a barrier (like at the 6:00 spot). Equally useful around corners. With the TLR-RM2's, I'm tempted to get rid of the tape switch since there is a push button on the back of the lights.    The only potential downfall I see with 12:00 (for me) is that I don't have back-up irons with this set-up. Looks like Surefires have a way around this. I've started the process of mitigating that by slowly moving over to a Romeo 4T and 4S (both have solar back-up, so they run in the light without batters), AND a TLR-RM2 with Laser. That way if the optic fails, I still have the laser (hopefully) as a back-up...or I'm looking through the tube at the top of the laser itself. That OD green/black 9" has a 4S for it now (instead of the 4H shown), and will eventually get a laser version of the TLR-RM2 it currently has. Another big benefit of going with 12:00 is that with a laser on top, both the optic and laser are zeroed and co-witnessed at 50 yards vertically. So there is no left to right paralax. With the laser sitting up high, it is actually closer to the sight height of the optic, and makes more sense when bullet rise and drop is considered. |
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Posted: 8/14/2023 1:07:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: I don't have any Surefires, but I do have some two TLR-RM2's, two TLR-HL's, and a TLR-RM2 Laser. (I just swapped out a TLR-RM2 for a green laser version). So far, my favorite position without a doubt is 12:00. Easy to use with either hand, no worries about blocking the light on a barrier (like at the 6:00 spot). Equally useful around corners. With the TLR-RM2's, I'm tempted to get rid of the tape switch since there is a push button on the back of the lights. https://i.imgur.com/GdpnqcO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2bMd15x.jpg https://i.imgur.com/glOj1sp.jpg The only potential downfall I see with 12:00 (for me) is that I don't have back-up irons with this set-up. Looks like Surefires have a way around this. I've started the process of mitigating that by slowly moving over to a Romeo 4T and 4S (both have solar back-up, so they run in the light without batters), AND a TLR-RM2 with Laser. That way if the optic fails, I still have the laser (hopefully) as a back-up...or I'm looking through the tube at the top of the laser itself. That OD green/black 9" has a 4S for it now (instead of the 4H shown), and will eventually get a laser version of the TLR-RM2 it currently has. Another big benefit of going with 12:00 is that with a laser on top, both the optic and laser are zeroed and co-witnessed at 50 yards vertically. So there is no left to right paralax. With the laser sitting up high, it is actually closer to the sight height of the optic, and makes more sense when bullet rise and drop is considered. |
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Posted: 8/14/2023 1:56:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: I like those streamlight RM2s for a slick setup. |
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Posted: 8/15/2023 5:31:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 03RN]
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Posted: 8/15/2023 6:30:10 PM EDT
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What in the world
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Posted: 8/15/2023 7:46:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: What in the world Pinned flash hider so I don't have to deal with shenanigans. Also fits in my rifle rack better  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/15/2023 8:51:03 PM EDT
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Haha I know you can shoot but it's like you go out of your way to be a Luddite
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Posted: 8/15/2023 9:33:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 03RN]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Haha I know you can shoot but it's like you go out of your way to be a Luddite Yeah I know. But before I was into "tactical" shit in the military I was a hunter and spent every minute in the woods. I dislike tactical rifles beyond their use/need in defending the Homeland. Give me woodstocked bolt actions or levers. John Taffin and Jack O'Connor or Elmer Keith. And with that preference and experience I've learned it's really the Indian, not the arrow. ETA ironic since it's a free floated AR with a wml and in the second pic there's 3 ARs with wmls and 2 or 3 with optics. |
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Posted: 8/15/2023 10:11:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 03RN: Yeah I know. But before I was into "tactical" shit in the military I was a hunter and spent every minute in the woods. I dislike tactical rifles beyond their use/need in defending the Homeland. Give me woodstocked bolt actions or levers. John Taffin and Jack O'Connor or Elmer Keith. And with that preference and experience I've learned it's really the Indian, not the arrow. ETA ironic since it's a free floated AR with a wml and in the second pic there's 3 ARs with wmls and 2 or 3 with optics. |
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Posted: 8/15/2023 10:35:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: True the lack of light weight red dot though Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fooboy: Originally Posted By 03RN: Yeah I know. But before I was into "tactical" shit in the military I was a hunter and spent every minute in the woods. I dislike tactical rifles beyond their use/need in defending the Homeland. Give me woodstocked bolt actions or levers. John Taffin and Jack O'Connor or Elmer Keith. And with that preference and experience I've learned it's really the Indian, not the arrow. ETA ironic since it's a free floated AR with a wml and in the second pic there's 3 ARs with wmls and 2 or 3 with optics. That's a backup to a backup If I'm grabbing a carbine then it has a PRO on it  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/21/2023 4:54:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fooboy: This post is for the newer guys. I like this setup for the following reasons. But - should be done in conjunction with the Daniel Defense Front BUIS which helps protect the light battery door from hard impacts and shield against accidental activation. Feel free to add any cons I missed. Pros. + Ambi switches - Press forward (towards muzzle) on rocker for temp activation + Integrated mount - No extra cost / weight to purchase separate mount + Lightweight: 4 oz (including mount and batteries) + Low Profile: Doesn't add any bulk to profile and no chance of light backsplash off barrier + Bright: 1000 lumens + Barrel Shadow: at 6:00 so doesn't cast a shadow in field of view + Bonus: Can be used on a pistol also + Cost: $220ish from some Arf vendors Cons. - No go if you use 12:00 mounted IR laser - Rocker switch sucks for constant on (very stiff). I don't use constant on but still ... - Must remove light to change batteries - No lockout mode - I don't like sight picture using this setup with LPVO at lower magnification levels. No issues with 1x RDS (light bezel is out of sight / below buis ... see bottom pic) Pinned 14.7 with 13 inch rail https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/113559/FCC67716-C710-4827-9BCF-96A0EAB6DAC8_png-1750331.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/113559/1BB41514-D2DF-4BF3-B646-C5B7F771650A_jpe-1750332.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/113559/48432AE1-5566-4A90-8134-E7DBBF33FCA2_jpe-1750334.JPG And one more Pro. If you shoot from behind cover, or off a barricade, if the muzzle clears the light clears. If your light is mounted on one side or the other, it may be obstructed by your cover / barricade. If the light is on top, it is not obstructed no matter which way you lean out. Some people I know are running the TLR1-HL on top, and are having good luck with it, since they can't afford a Surefire. And now, Holosun is making weapon mounted lights that would fit this application too. The have one that is rated as high candela. We'll see how the reviews look when its had time to get reviewed. |
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Posted: 10/24/2023 9:45:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Fooboy]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MONGO45: A few months back a reconfigured my work rifle Geissele 11.5 with T2 and 3x both in Larue mounts and X300 Turbo at 12 o'clock. Slick setup that does everything I need from 0-200y Around 3k through it now and it handles great. Sub MOA from our issued 75gr Gold Dot ammo. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/86935/IMG_0792_jpeg-2918980.JPG Should I get an x300T? Is that an A or B? I like the quick removal of the A but B seems better for AR rail. Seems like X300U is better @ closer ranges, Turbo at longer. Seems like a defensive gun benefits from the Ultra?  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/24/2023 9:58:00 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By King_Mud: I've used some Inforce stuff and it has been OK. I owned a super early APL that had the mount dissolved by Loctite, they replaced it with another part and it was A-OK. My brother has a WML-X and it seems to work fine as we haven't broken it yet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By King_Mud: Originally Posted By takdriver: I have considered the inforce wml at 12 o’clock. Does anyone have an opinion of that light? My hope is that it would be low enough profile that it would work with a lpvo and also offset irons. I've used some Inforce stuff and it has been OK. I owned a super early APL that had the mount dissolved by Loctite, they replaced it with another part and it was A-OK. My brother has a WML-X and it seems to work fine as we haven't broken it yet. Since this thread is back I'll update this too, the WML-X just quit in his safe. It was fine then it wouldn't work. |
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