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Posted: 1/6/2021 11:28:27 PM EST
Does anyone have any real world differences between these two? I have a considerable amount of the federal, I was wondering if it’d be worth selling for 262. For the record, the guns it’ll be shot in will be a Kac rifle and Kac pistol.
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Posted: 1/6/2021 11:52:17 PM EST
I wouldn’t go through the effort of that. It’s not quite six of one, half a dozen of the other, but it’s close enough. Your gun may prefer one over the other, but as a generality 262 shoots warmer, and Federal 77’s (is this FGMM, or?) shoots more precisely. I’d let your rifle and priorities decide what you stick with, but I’d probably buy a box or two of the other stuff and see how it goes, and if it shot better I’d probably just shoot what I had and replace instead of trading out.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 1/6/2021 11:57:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/7/2021 12:00:35 AM EST by TGH456E]
I've shot both......
If you mean FGMM Federal 77's....... sortta slow but accurate. mk262 can run hotter and so not as precise..... But to be honest, unless you are shooting out to 600+yds..... shoot what you have and be done with this. I'm not sure what KAC rifle you have but you are splitting hairs in any pistol.... And right now, trying to buy mk262 is a HUGE PITA and you'll pay up WAY TOO much than it's worth. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 11:53:10 AM EST
Yeah I was just wondering if anyone had any experience with either of them in a comparison and yes, it’s GMM
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Posted: 1/7/2021 5:08:21 PM EST
If memory suits me.... the 77gr FGMM is quite a bit slower then the Mk262.
So, dependent on what you are using the 77gr bullet for... self defense ? or target shooting ? |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/7/2021 6:59:14 PM EST
There’s no reason to dump one for the other right now unless one is not shooting well. This would be a decent discussion to have in normal times, but right now it’s not prudent because resupplying with the intended ammo would be difficult and not cost effective due to outrageous ammo costs.
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Posted: 1/7/2021 9:33:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/18/2021 2:36:37 PM EST by bfoosh06]
............................................................... 16" V-Seven barrel 5.56 Chamber.................20" CHF SS .223 Wylde Chamber
Beck Ammo. 5.56 77gr SMK ...............................................Av. 2469, ES 34.....................Av. 2734, ES 8........... Black Hills 77gr 5.56 OTM .........LC 14 ( NATO Cross )............Av. 2592 , ES 21................Av. 2675 , ES 82..............Very accurate Black Hills 77gr 5.56 TMK .........WCC 14 ( NATO Cross )...........Av. 2636 , ES 54................Av. 2753 , ES 63..............Outstanding Accuracy. CBC 77gr 5.56.............................5.56 CBC 14..........................Av. 2577, ES 60..................Av. 2752, ES 75 CBC 77gr 5.56 PR 844 SMK ......5.56 CBC 12..........................Av. 2620 , ES 36.................Av. 2729 , ES 34...........These last two are labeled with different powders. CBC 77gr 5.56 WC732 SMK ......5.56 CBC 14..........................Av. 2640 , ES 52.................Av. 2712 , ES 50............ Creedmoor .223 77gr TMK............................................................................. Creedmoor .223 77gr OTM............................................................................. Corbon 77gr .223 MPR.................................................................................. Federal 77gr 5.56 "FC262"................................................................................. Numerous Popped Primers FGMM 77gr .223 SMK FGMM....F C 223 REM..........................Av. 2340 , ES 25................Av. 2411 , ES 33.............. Very good accuracy Fiocchi 77gr .223 SMK ..............G.F.L. 223 REM......................Av. 2390 , ES 96................Av. 2488 , ES 53............. about average accuracy for 77gr IMI 77gr 5.56 OTM..................IMI 13 variety of 2 digits.........Av. 2726 , ES 39..................Av. 2810 , ES 41........... Not the most accurate, but certainly a good value. Norma 77gr .223 TAC ...............norma 223 REM....................Av. 2430 , ES 75...................Av. 2550 , ES 68...........Average 77gr accuracy Nosler 77gr.223 CC...................NOSLER 223 REM................Av. 2440 , ES 28...................Av. 2569 , ES 36.......... I need more trigger time with this ammo PMC XTAC 77gr .223 SMK .......PMC 223 REM........................Av. 2350 , ES 62................Av. 2427 , ES 31............... Rem. 77gr .223 SMK .................R-P 223 REM..........................Av. 2468 , ES 73.................Av. 2563 , ES 39............. Sig Sauer 77gr SMK .223.................................................................................. Winc. 77gr 5.56.........................WCC 14 5.56MM....................Av 2566... ES 36..................Av 2676.... ES 20.............Decent speed, but there is faster. Winc. 77gr Match 5.56 _ _ _ .... WCC 14 5.56 MM...................Av. 2364 , ES 47................Av. 2468 , ES 54..............For a 5.56 round, this is very low velocity. |
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Posted: 1/17/2021 1:35:36 PM EST
Damn, ^ that’s helpful
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Posted: 1/17/2021 10:58:45 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By bfoosh06: Beck Ammo. 5.56 77gr SMK ...............................................Av. 2469, ES 34.....................Av. 2734, ES 8........... Black Hills 77gr 5.56 OTM .........LC 14 ( NATO Cross )............Av. 2592 , ES 21................Av. 2675 , ES 82..............Very accurate Black Hills 77gr 5.56 TMK .........WCC 14 ( NATO Cross )...........Av. 2636 , ES 54................Av. 2753 , ES 63..............Outstanding Accuracy. CBC 77gr 5.56.............................5.56 CBC 14..........................Av. 2577, ES 60..................Av. 2752, ES 75 CBC 77gr 5.56 PR 844 SMK ......5.56 CBC 12..........................Av. 2620 , ES 36.................Av. 2729 , ES 34...........These last two are labeled with different powders. CBC 77gr 5.56 WC732 SMK ......5.56 CBC 14..........................Av. 2640 , ES 52.................Av. 2712 , ES 50............ Creedmoor .223 77gr TMK............................................................................. Creedmoor .223 77gr OTM............................................................................. Corbon 77gr .223 MPR.................................................................................. Federal 77gr 5.56 "FC262"................................................................................. Numerous Popped Primers FGMM 77gr .223 SMK FGMM....F C 223 REM..........................Av. 2340 , ES 25................Av. 2411 , ES 33.............. Very good accuracy Fiocchi 77gr .223 SMK ..............G.F.L. 223 REM......................Av. 2390 , ES 96................Av. 2488 , ES 53............. about average accuracy for 77gr IMI 77gr 5.56 OTM..................IMI 13 variety of 2 digits.........Av. 2726 , ES 39..................Av. 2810 , ES 41........... Not the most accurate, but certainly a good value. Norma 77gr .223 TAC ...............norma 223 REM....................Av. 2430 , ES 75...................Av. 2550 , ES 68...........Average 77gr accuracy Nosler 77gr.223 CC...................NOSLER 223 REM................Av. 2440 , ES 28...................Av. 2569 , ES 36.......... I need more trigger time with this ammo PMC XTAC 77gr .223 SMK .......PMC 223 REM........................Av. 2350 , ES 62................Av. 2427 , ES 31............... Rem. 77gr .223 SMK .................R-P 223 REM..........................Av. 2468 , ES 73.................Av. 2563 , ES 39............. Sig Sauer 77gr SMK .223.................................................................................. Winc. 77gr 5.56.........................WCC 14 5.56MM....................Av 2566... ES 36..................Av 2676.... ES 20.............Decent speed, but there is faster. Winc. 77gr Match 5.56 _ _ _ .... WCC 14 5.56 MM...................Av. 2364 , ES 47................Av. 2468 , ES 54..............For a 5.56 round, this is very low velocity. Barrel length? |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 2:33:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/18/2021 2:37:09 PM EST by bfoosh06]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eric802: Barrel length? Sorry ... I am a dummy at times.... Added a quick edit to the original post. First figures are 16" , second are 20" |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 2:48:09 PM EST
Thanks. I have some Sierra 77's inbound and will be starting load development once I find some powder.
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Posted: 1/18/2021 2:49:25 PM EST
IMI 77 OTM LR Mod 1 (262 clone?) is silly accurate in my aug. Like >1 moa. Black hills 77gr in the same gun on the same day is maybe 3 moa iirc. Barely better than cheap blasting ammo.
I should fit a scope to my ar and try each but just don’t have much. Maybe terminal ballistics make up for it with more velocity though I thought it was optimized for shorter barrels? It’s all so tiresome. |
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Posted: 1/18/2021 5:43:29 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By HSimpson: IMI 77 OTM LR Mod 1 (262 clone?) is silly accurate in my aug. Like >1 moa. Black hills 77gr in the same gun on the same day is maybe 3 moa iirc. Barely better than cheap blasting ammo. I should fit a scope to my ar and try each but just don’t have much. Maybe terminal ballistics make up for it with more velocity though I thought it was optimized for shorter barrels? It’s all so tiresome. YMMV... I have one 1n7 twist barrel that pretty much hates all 77gr ... except the no longer available Sierra 77gr .223 load from Creedmoor Sports... and all 75gr Hornady.... so yeah,Lol.. YMMV. |
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