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Posted: 9/5/2018 9:22:00 AM EDT
Hey guys, we have been building a TON of Micro AR Pistols for clients lately and haven't really posted much about these. Figured I would drop some photos here and answer any questions you have about ultra short AR Pistols. We are talking 5" barrels in 300blk and 5.56. These shoot about a 4" group at 100 yards and are Ultra reliable suppressed or unsuppressed, semi or full auto. Barrels are .936 diameter gas block journal and a chopped gas tube from Veritas.
If you are looking to build an AR for your bugout bag, throw a Law Tactical Folding Adapter on one of these with a SBA3 or Shockwave blade and we get them down to 14" folded roughly. If you are interested in building one of these bad boys email me! 
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Posted: 9/5/2018 9:29:42 AM EDT
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My wife has actually said out loud she hates you.
But she can't wait to meet you in January! |
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Posted: 9/5/2018 9:31:51 AM EDT
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Woah Woah Woah
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Posted: 9/5/2018 10:00:05 AM EDT
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One of your micro 22lr is on deck next. Just saying....
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Posted: 9/5/2018 10:59:33 AM EDT
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It looks good to me.
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Posted: 9/5/2018 1:04:40 PM EDT
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The only thing that sucks about these micros is how hot they get. Gas block right where you grip. Gets a little toasty even unter controlled fire, and I have a binary trigger as well! I'm probably going to form 1 mine just so I can put a vert grip on the thing.
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Posted: 9/5/2018 1:47:40 PM EDT
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The only thing that sucks about these micros is how hot they get. Gas block right where you grip. Gets a little toasty even unter controlled fire, and I have a binary trigger as well! I'm probably going to form 1 mine just so I can put a vert grip on the thing. |
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Posted: 9/5/2018 1:54:39 PM EDT
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Why .936 at the gas block? Seems like a lot of extra barrel weight that's not needed.
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Posted: 9/5/2018 2:30:44 PM EDT
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Why .936 at the gas block? Seems like a lot of extra barrel weight that's not needed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why .936 at the gas block? Seems like a lot of extra barrel weight that's not needed.  Attached FileQuoted: What about the magpul afg or whatever it's called? |
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Posted: 9/5/2018 2:38:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66797/MBT455-500x500-662230.JPG The AFG is too long to fit on a 5" rail. 
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Posted: 9/5/2018 3:03:27 PM EDT
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Weight, I just see weight
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Posted: 9/5/2018 3:52:25 PM EDT
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What bullet weight/ length stabilizes best and is most accurate in these? Is the 4 MOA due to the bullet having trouble stabilizing with such short rifling?
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Posted: 9/5/2018 6:50:33 PM EDT
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Why .936 at the gas block? Seems like a lot of extra barrel weight that's not needed. I'm guessing an AR with such a short barrel will be unbalanced and heavier at the rear end so the little bit of extra weight is probably a benefit also. |
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Posted: 9/6/2018 6:15:50 PM EDT
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Oh guck. Looks like this is my next .300 build I’ve been himming and hawing over....
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Posted: 9/7/2018 1:34:03 AM EDT
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Here's some inspiration if you guys want to add some dedicated .22 super shorty uppers to your product line. This one sports a 4 inch barrel. So a 5 inch barreled 5.56? That has to be an insane fireball out of the muzzle. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 2:01:56 AM EDT
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Here is what I did.
I filed the AFG to fit over the Barrel Nut portion of my SLR,while the rest was on a rail. I hate MAKO for what they did, but the PTK is very comfortable. |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 1:25:31 PM EDT
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Where did you get the rail covers?
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Posted: 9/7/2018 6:16:27 PM EDT
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Where did you get the rail covers? |
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Posted: 9/7/2018 11:24:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/7/2018 11:53:55 PM EDT
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damn I am not a fan of short gas systems but that's just fucking sexy as hell.
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Posted: 9/8/2018 12:52:43 AM EDT
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Why can't it use a .750 gas block? Honestly, if you could make one that would use a front sight base I'd be seriously interested. I've already got ideas for a build.
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Posted: 9/8/2018 1:15:41 AM EDT
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Well I just found a .936 fsb, so if the gas block journal was longer, like maybe if the end just wasn't threaded, I could use this front sight.
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Posted: 9/8/2018 2:41:35 AM EDT
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Why can't it use a .750 gas block? Honestly, if you could make one that would use a front sight base I'd be seriously interested. I've already got ideas for a build. 6.25" Barrel 4.75" Barrel |
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Posted: 9/8/2018 3:24:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66797/MBT455-500x500-662230.JPG The AFG is too long to fit on a 5" rail. |
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Posted: 9/8/2018 11:22:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAfter hot you forgot loud and concussive. At this size and based on groups mentioned, subguns are the name of the game. The guns look awesome though,and I'm sure there is a solid market.
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Posted: 9/9/2018 5:45:53 AM EDT
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I built a 5" 300blk pistol with a Veritas barrel specifically for backpack carry. I'm so happy with it I'm going to build another with a folder.
Attached FileSurprisingly accurate and seems quieter than a similar 5.56. |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 3:30:10 PM EDT
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I built a 5" 300blk pistol with a Veritas barrel specifically for backpack carry. I'm so happy with it I'm going to build another with a folder. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/177643/IMG_20180307_143156_290~01~01-666101.JPG Surprisingly accurate and seems quieter than a similar 5.56. |
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Posted: 9/9/2018 3:34:56 PM EDT
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Tell me about that angled foregrip. Thanks! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I built a 5" 300blk pistol with a Veritas barrel specifically for backpack carry. I'm so happy with it I'm going to build another with a folder. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/177643/IMG_20180307_143156_290~01~01-666101.JPG Surprisingly accurate and seems quieter than a similar 5.56.
You might notice the grip is tilted a little, that's from the mods. After I took the pic I fixed it so it sits level with rail. The next one I build will use a different angled grip, this was way too much hassle. |
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Posted: 9/10/2018 9:19:19 AM EDT
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The AFG is too long to fit on a 5" rail. 
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Posted: 9/10/2018 11:22:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNice! The rear portion is unmodified? I may have to pick one of those up.
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Posted: 9/10/2018 11:31:56 AM EDT
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Quoted:
Hey guys, we have been building a TON of Micro AR Pistols for clients lately and haven't really posted much about these. Figured I would drop some photos here and answer any questions you have about ultra short AR Pistols. We are talking 5" barrels in 300blk and 5.56. These shoot about a 4" group at 100 yards and are Ultra reliable suppressed or unsuppressed, semi or full auto. Barrels are .936 diameter gas block journal and a chopped gas tube from Veritas. If you are looking to build an AR for your bugout bag, throw a Law Tactical Folding Adapter on one of these with a SBA3 or Shockwave blade and we get them down to 14" folded roughly. If you are interested in building one of these bad boys email me! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/133596/IMG-0556_JPG-661987.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/133596/IMG-0175_JPG-661989.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/133596/IMG-9668_JPG-661990.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/133596/IMG-9127_JPG-661991.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/133596/IMG-9033_JPG-661992.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/133596/IMG-9057_JPG-661993.jpg Thanks |
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Posted: 9/10/2018 11:38:38 AM EDT
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I can see 300 Blackout with 6" barrels doing a good job. But 5.56 with a 4-5" barrel won't be any better off than a 9mm PDW with the same barrel length. Especially with +P 9mm ammo. I am willing to bet the 9mm with +P coming out a 5" barrel would have more energy than 5.56 coming out a 5" barrel. While it looks cool, I would go 300 BLK or 9mm. 5.56 needs at least 7.5" to maintain effective energy at 100 yards.
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Posted: 9/10/2018 11:41:48 AM EDT
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Took my 7.5 out for a function test yesterday. Ran a couple mags through it without any issues.
It has a PA micro in LT mount on it now. 
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Posted: 9/10/2018 11:45:55 AM EDT
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Fuck, I want one.
Why is 300 BLK ammo so expensive?? Or, why have I not won the lottery yet??? |
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Posted: 9/10/2018 11:48:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you don’t mind, does anyone know what muzzle device that is in the last picture? Thanks comes in matte or anodized. |
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Posted: 9/10/2018 11:56:21 AM EDT
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Nice! The rear portion is unmodified? I may have to pick one of those up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/10/2018 12:43:13 PM EDT
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Unmodified. And it fits over the mounting screws on the bottom of the handguard no problem. https://www.livefreearmory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/4.5in-handguard1-748x374.jpg |
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Posted: 9/10/2018 1:46:57 PM EDT
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Unmodified. And it fits over the mounting screws on the bottom of the handguard no problem. https://www.livefreearmory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/4.5in-handguard1-748x374.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.livefreearmory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/4.5in-handguard1-748x374.jpg |
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Posted: 9/10/2018 5:15:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SLR linear hybrid comp. comes in matte or anodized. |
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Posted: 9/10/2018 8:50:28 PM EDT
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I’m having a “blast” with mine with binary trigger.
It’s a 6.25 - 300 BO barrel but I’m most likely going to swap in a 5 inch 5.56 barrel to help with cost of ammo. It functions flawless in this configuration. 
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Posted: 9/10/2018 11:57:43 PM EDT
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Here is my Micro 65.56, it is a 6.5" Stainless steel barrel in 5.56 with 7" handguard and a KVP Linear comp. Just added a Laws folding adapter. 24" long and 17" folded.
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Posted: 9/11/2018 8:08:52 AM EDT
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I’m having a “blast” with mine with binary trigger. It’s a 6.25 - 300 BO barrel but I’m most likely going to swap in a 5 inch 5.56 barrel to help with cost of ammo. It functions flawless in this configuration. https://www.dropbox.com/s/d3j42dfgthv6iiu/Photo%20Mar%2012%2C%208%2012%2035%20PM.jpg?raw=1
Since it's my truck gun, I'm building a 300blk upper to keep on it, and gonna just use the 5.56 upper as a range toy. |
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Posted: 9/11/2018 2:30:10 PM EDT
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Is the IMI mounted on a picatinny rail, or is it M LOK/key Mod? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.livefreearmory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/4.5in-handguard1-748x374.jpg |
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Posted: 9/11/2018 2:53:39 PM EDT
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Why did I click on this thread? I ordered one of the 5" 5.56 pistols on Monday and it shipped the same day. I will post pics when it arrives.
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Posted: 9/11/2018 8:09:47 PM EDT
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Where are you guys getting your side charging uppers?
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Posted: 9/12/2018 8:24:56 AM EDT
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Where are you guys getting your side charging uppers? |
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Posted: 9/12/2018 1:08:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted:
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Where are you guys getting your side charging uppers? |
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Posted: 9/15/2018 4:27:59 PM EDT
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Here's my 5 inches.
I went with a 6" handgaurd for a little additional grip. The mini afg from Odin Works handles pretty well. Just waiting on a maxin brace to come in and it'll be complete.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/15/2018 5:55:46 PM EDT
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And right after that I changed it up. I just can't leave shit alone.
The Odin Works B1 handstop uses 2 keymod slots and covers most of the third one forward. In the picture above you can see that there is only room for my index finger in front of the afg. Leaves my pinky hanging off the back of the grip. So, since the keymod nut is on the front of the afg, I ground the rear keymod post down flat, took a bit of material off the back of the afg, and then was able to move it back and secure the front into the rearmost slot in the handgard. I can now grip properly with all my fingers. Index finger is still quite close to the end of the rail, and closer to the muzzle than I prefer, but I now have a free keymod slot. I need to see about modifying a basic handstop to fit flush with the front of the handguard.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/17/2018 11:35:04 PM EDT
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Hey guys, we have been building a TON of Micro AR Pistols for clients lately and haven't really posted much about these. Figured I would drop some photos here and answer any questions you have about ultra short AR Pistols. We are talking 5" barrels in 300blk and 5.56. These shoot about a 4" group at 100 yards and are Ultra reliable suppressed or unsuppressed, semi or full auto. Barrels are .936 diameter gas block journal and a chopped gas tube from Veritas. If you are looking to build an AR for your bugout bag, throw a Law Tactical Folding Adapter on one of these with a SBA3 or Shockwave blade and we get them down to 14" folded roughly. If you are interested in building one of these bad boys email me! https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/133596/IMG-0556_JPG-661987.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/133596/IMG-0175_JPG-661989.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/133596/IMG-9668_JPG-661990.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/133596/IMG-9127_JPG-661991.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/133596/IMG-9033_JPG-661992.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/133596/IMG-9057_JPG-661993.jpg What is the twist rate on the barrel and what is the most effective load you have used so far? |
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Posted: 9/18/2018 8:42:14 AM EDT
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