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You should give higher priority to the 30GPC over the 28 in my opinion. 30 cal is so popular in any form, it just makes sense.
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You should give higher priority to the 30GPC over the 28 in my opinion. 30 cal is so popular in any form, it just makes sense. View Quote |
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Thanks for doing the giveaway the 27 & 24 look very interesting considering I have a ton of various pills for each and quite a bit of 6.8 brass
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I got one of those special Sulzer Arms receiver sets that uses the Magpul 6.8 mags made for LWRC. I just got notification it shipped.
As soon as the 25 GPC releases, it will have a home in this receiver set! Then the 22GPC will go into a remington build since i happened to catch a custom 6.8 bolt in the EE section. Just need an action to pair it with! Love it when gun plans work out, all thanks to MDWS and their gun geniuses! ?? |
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I know it’s not in this family of cartridges but what’s the ETA on 30 sabercat barrels and bolts.
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Starline brass officially on order.
It will have the *-* across the top for Starline, than MDWS GPC along the bottom. The brass will be in 27 GPC configuration as it is the parent case for all the other GPC cartridges in the family. So, no mater which one you go with there will be factory brass that just needs to be resized and trimmed to the specific member of the family. |
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OP getting updated with these photos. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401879/20_GPC_Noted-808306.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401879/22_GPC_Noted-808308.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401879/24_GPC_Noted-808309.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401879/25_GPC_Noted-808310.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401879/26_GPC_Noted-808311.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401879/27_GPC_Noted-808313.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401879/28_GPC_Noted-808314.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401879/30_GPC_Noted-808316.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/401879/GPC_Lineup_2-808318.jpg View Quote What COAL is the 6.8 at in the photos? I *think* I am loading my 6.8 to 2.280 which is my mags length. All your rounds look a good bit longer then the 6.8. Also, I can't wait to order something from you guys. I just don't know what it will be yet! |
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Quoted: Stupid question time!!!!! What COAL is the 6.8 at in the photos? I *think* I am loading my 6.8 to 2.280 which is my mags length. All your rounds look a good bit longer then the 6.8. Also, I can't wait to order something from you guys. I just don't know what it will be yet! View Quote |
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Very curious to know how the 24 GPC is expected to perform out of 16" barrels when loaded to the 2.38-2.39" of the new MDWS / Six8 metal mag.
Especially how it would perform with the Cutting Edge 88gr MTH, which expands down to 1600fps and has a .445 G1 BC. https://cuttingedgebullets.com/243-6mm-88gr-mth-match-tactical-hunting Bullet length is 1.036", with a projection length of .655". |
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Very curious to know how the 24 GPC is expected to perform out of 16" barrels when loaded to the 2.38-2.39" of the new MDWS / Six8 metal mag. Especially how it would perform with the Cutting Edge 88gr MTH, which expands down to 1600fps and has a .445 G1 BC. https://cuttingedgebullets.com/243-6mm-88gr-mth-match-tactical-hunting Bullet length is 1.036", with a projection length of .655". View Quote |
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Very curious to know how the 24 GPC is expected to perform out of 16" barrels when loaded to the 2.38-2.39" of the new MDWS / Six8 metal mag. Especially how it would perform with the Cutting Edge 88gr MTH, which expands down to 1600fps and has a .445 G1 BC. https://cuttingedgebullets.com/243-6mm-88gr-mth-match-tactical-hunting Bullet length is 1.036", with a projection length of .655". View Quote |
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Quoted: here are estimates for the 88 CEB from a 16 on top and a 24 on bottom View Quote Running the numbers through a ballistics calculator, that cartridge + bullet combo will be hard to beat: 6mm 88gr 0.445 G1 BC @ 2750fps = 1600fps expansion range / 500 ft/lbs @ 650 yards. |
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What type of performance can we expect from the 26 GPC with 123gr projectiles out of a 16" barrel when loaded to the same 2.38"?
For example, the 123gr Lapua Scenar? |
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Quoted: the 16 nuders it but here is 16 then 24 with the 123 scenar View Quote That is a bit hotter then 6.5 grendel, but not super compelling. I think the 6mm / 24 GPC is where this is likely to really shine in terms of the "AR12" intermediate weapon between the 5.56 AR15 and 6.5 Creedmoor AR10. The 6mm bullets have good BC's, while remaining light enough to get a good velocity out of a 16" barrel with the 6.8 powder charge. If I may impose one more time, could you run the QL for the 24 GPC 16" 2.38" with the Berger 95gr? http://bergerbullets.com/product/6-mm-95-gr-vld-hunting/ |
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Quoted: Awesome, thank you for that. That is a bit hotter then 6.5 grendel, but not super compelling. I think the 6mm / 24 GPC is where this is likely to really shine in terms of the "AR12" intermediate weapon between the 5.56 AR15 and 6.5 Creedmoor AR10. The 6mm bullets have good BC's, while remaining light enough to get a good velocity out of a 16" barrel with the 6.8 powder charge. If I may impose one more time, could you run the QL for the 24 GPC 16" 2.38" with the Berger 95gr? http://bergerbullets.com/product/6-mm-95-gr-vld-hunting/ View Quote |
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I was just looking at .264 projectiles, and I was really surprised by how high the BC is on the 108gr Lapua is .467. That seems like it would be a good mix of velocity and bc out of shorter barrels.
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I was just looking at .264 projectiles, and I was really surprised by how high the BC is on the 108gr Lapua is .467. That seems like it would be a good mix of velocity and bc out of shorter barrels. What would the velocity be for the 26 GPC with the 108gr out of a 16" barrel when loaded to 2.38? View Quote hat is a very promising bullet though, agreed. |
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Lol, call me a stick in the mud but like 10 different cartridges is more of a case of special purposes than general purpose.
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Speaking of the 27 GPC, what type of velocity is possible with the 130gr Berger VLD from 2.38" out of a 16" barrel?
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Speaking of the 27 GPC, what type of velocity is possible with the 130gr Berger VLD from 2.38" out of a 16" barrel? View Quote Yamaraja, a member here says he can get to 2800fps from a 22 or 24" with his 6.8SPC... but won't post the load. We used CFE223 and Lever. |
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We were doing over 2700 from a 24" loaded to 2.35", but didn't keep pushing. Dont have short barrel numbers on that one sorry. It will suffer a bit going from 24-16". Yamaraja, a member here says he can get to 2800fps from a 22 or 24" with his 6.8SPC... but won't post the load. We used CFE223 and Lever. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Speaking of the 27 GPC, what type of velocity is possible with the 130gr Berger VLD from 2.38" out of a 16" barrel? Yamaraja, a member here says he can get to 2800fps from a 22 or 24" with his 6.8SPC... but won't post the load. We used CFE223 and Lever. A lightweight, 30rd magazine weapon system doesn't really doesn't make sense with a 24" barrel. You loose the weight / bulk advantage of the AR12, and still end up with performance bellow that of a 16" AR10. One of the big letdowns with the 6.5 Grendel was that all of the velocities that were posted upon its release sounded so good (I think 123gr @ 2650fps was the spec.) Only it turns out that was from 24" barrels that no one was ever going to have. From a 16" barrel that people actually wanted for an AR15 based weapon, the velocity was more in the 2350-2400fps range - essentially a low drag 7.62x39. Better to undersell and overdeliver velocity wise and use the 16" numbers. |
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24" barrels were and still are very common in 6.5 Grendel. There were a lot of 28" originally as well. 20" is also very common, as are 18". For hunting, in our ongoing game survey, 18" is featured more than any other barrel length, but not such to stick out dramatically. The spread covers 10.5" to 24". Muzzle velocity is not the be-all, end-all, so when 6.5 Grendel was introduced, almost the entire market of prospective customers were in a mv-centered mindset collectively, not fully understanding the reality of how ballistic coefficient affects energy and performance at distance. If you're only looking at muzzle velocity and not BC - even for closer range hunting, you're not getting the important part of the picture for what it is you are trying to do if you care about energy on-target. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Speaking of the 27 GPC, what type of velocity is possible with the 130gr Berger VLD from 2.38" out of a 16" barrel? Yamaraja, a member here says he can get to 2800fps from a 22 or 24" with his 6.8SPC... but won't post the load. We used CFE223 and Lever. A lightweight, 30rd magazine weapon system doesn't really doesn't make sense with a 24" barrel. You loose the weight / bulk advantage of the AR12, and still end up with performance bellow that of a 16" AR10. One of the big letdowns with the 6.5 Grendel was that all of the velocities that were posted upon its release sounded so good (I think 123gr @ 2650fps was the spec.) Only it turns out that was from 24" barrels that no one was ever going to have. From a 16" barrel that people actually wanted for an AR15 based weapon, the velocity was more in the 2350-2400fps range - essentially a low drag 7.62x39. Better to undersell and overdeliver velocity wise and use the 16" numbers. 20" is also very common, as are 18". For hunting, in our ongoing game survey, 18" is featured more than any other barrel length, but not such to stick out dramatically. The spread covers 10.5" to 24". Muzzle velocity is not the be-all, end-all, so when 6.5 Grendel was introduced, almost the entire market of prospective customers were in a mv-centered mindset collectively, not fully understanding the reality of how ballistic coefficient affects energy and performance at distance. If you're only looking at muzzle velocity and not BC - even for closer range hunting, you're not getting the important part of the picture for what it is you are trying to do if you care about energy on-target. However, velocity retention is more important then energy retention when it comes to the "effective range" of bullets, and comparisons between calibers. Namely, manufacturers list a "minimum expansion/fragmentation velocity" - not energy - for their bullets. This velocity is anywhere from 2100 fps for a SMK, to 1900fps for a Tipped match king, 1800fps for Berger, to 1600fps for a Cutting Edge Copper, to 1350fps for the Nosler ABLR. And when it comes to velocity retention, starting velocity is very important. In that way, a lower BC, higher velocity projectile can actually have a longer expansion/fragmentation range. Using a Berger 1800fps range: 6.5g 16" 130gr VLD 0.562 G1 @ 2350fps = 1800fps expansion @ 400 yards 6mm GPC 16" 95gr VLD 0.467 G1 @ 2660fps = 1800fps expansion @ 500 yards Likewise, trajectory/ drop is effected quite a bit by starting velocity: 6.5g 16" 130gr VLD 0.562 G1 @ 2350fps = -123" @ 600 yards / -261" @ 800 yards 6mm GPC 16" 95gr VLD 0.467 G1 @ 2660fps = -100" @ 600 yards / -218" @ 800 yards |
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Am I missing something? My old eyes may be skimming across it but I have not seen any mention of reloading dies. What cartridges are available today with dies?
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Am I missing something? My old eyes may be skimming across it but I have not seen any mention of reloading dies. What cartridges are available today with dies? View Quote Final tooling for all the others is inbound, as well as blanks, and we will be making the first batches of dies. Blanks are due in the next couple weeks or so, tooling in 3-4 weeks I think at this point. When we go full production we use Hornady die sets. Thanks! |
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Have y'all shot the 30?
I would like to see a 16" muzzle velocity table comparing 300bo, 300hamr, 30gpc w/same 125gr & 150gr bullets. Please no 6.5 grendel replies. |
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Quoted: here are estimates for a 16 and 24 inch with the 108 scenar https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261615/108_scenar_16_inch_JPG-857836.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261615/108_scenar_24_inch_JPG-857837.jpg View Quote Still looks like the 24 GPC 88/95gr has the furthest expansion range / least drop out of 16" barrels. If real world velocity holds true to the quickload estimates, I think thats going to be the real winner. |
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Awesome, thank you. Still looks like the 24 GPC 88/95gr has the furthest expansion range / least drop out of 16" barrels. If real world velocity holds true to the quickload estimates, I think thats going to be the real winner. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: here are estimates for a 16 and 24 inch with the 108 scenar https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261615/108_scenar_16_inch_JPG-857836.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261615/108_scenar_24_inch_JPG-857837.jpg Still looks like the 24 GPC 88/95gr has the furthest expansion range / least drop out of 16" barrels. If real world velocity holds true to the quickload estimates, I think thats going to be the real winner. Same for projectile weight and penetration, in addition to expansion. None of them will deliver the payload, expansion, and penetration like that bullet does. Once you start shooting past your PBZ, you're going to apply some type of hold or dial for elevation, so we don't really care about elevation and the differences within intermediate hunting distances are negligible. Once you start getting past 200-300yds, we care more about wind drift, which is where BC really matters. 129gr ABLR has it all, and kills across the range from close-in to distances that most people will never shoot at, but still has plenty of capability to do so and do it well. |
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How would the 20 compare to a .204Ruger? Sorry if I missed it above..
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Would be interesting to see a TTSX/GMX comparison. Of those less than 1.2", in order of best Litz form factor:
TTSX 100 .264 TTSX 80 .257 TTSX 110 .277 TTSX 100 .257 TTSX 80 .243 Curious which ones retain ~2k impact velocity the farthest. Of those the first two look the most interesting to compare. The 80 quarterbore in particular... out an of ~18" barrel.. |
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None of them will compare well to 129gr ABLR in the 6.5 GPC when looking at its expansion threshold of 1300fps. Same for projectile weight and penetration, in addition to expansion. None of them will deliver the payload, expansion, and penetration like that bullet does. Once you start shooting past your PBZ, you're going to apply some type of hold or dial for elevation, so we don't really care about elevation and the differences within intermediate hunting distances are negligible. Once you start getting past 200-300yds, we care more about wind drift, which is where BC really matters. 129gr ABLR has it all, and kills across the range from close-in to distances that most people will never shoot at, but still has plenty of capability to do so and do it well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: here are estimates for a 16 and 24 inch with the 108 scenar https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261615/108_scenar_16_inch_JPG-857836.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261615/108_scenar_24_inch_JPG-857837.jpg Still looks like the 24 GPC 88/95gr has the furthest expansion range / least drop out of 16" barrels. If real world velocity holds true to the quickload estimates, I think thats going to be the real winner. Same for projectile weight and penetration, in addition to expansion. None of them will deliver the payload, expansion, and penetration like that bullet does. Once you start shooting past your PBZ, you're going to apply some type of hold or dial for elevation, so we don't really care about elevation and the differences within intermediate hunting distances are negligible. Once you start getting past 200-300yds, we care more about wind drift, which is where BC really matters. 129gr ABLR has it all, and kills across the range from close-in to distances that most people will never shoot at, but still has plenty of capability to do so and do it well. Its got a 300fps expansion advantage over any other projectile - and it's not available in .224, 6mm, 6.35, or 6.8 (well, spc weight). To compare cartridges, they really have to be firing the same brand projectile. Ie 6 vs 6.5mm TMK, 6 vs 6.5 MTH, etc. |
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Quoted: fairly close to the 204 i think here is some estimates and there is also some data out there too we are testing it now i just dont' have the data with me on vacation. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261615/40_nbt_24_JPG-859356.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261615/32_vmax_JPG-859359.jpg View Quote |
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Would be interesting to see a TTSX/GMX comparison. Of those less than 1.2", in order of best Litz form factor: TTSX 100 .264 TTSX 80 .257 TTSX 110 .277 TTSX 100 .257 TTSX 80 .243 Curious which ones retain ~2k impact velocity the farthest. Of those the first two look the most interesting to compare. The 80 quarterbore in particular... out an of ~18" barrel.. View Quote so you want quick load predictions for those bullets in the 24, 25, 26 and 27 GPC's ?? we won't have any actual data till the reamers get here on the 24,25 and 26. I will see if i have some data on the 110 ttsx in the 27 GPC |
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Quoted: @Heavy655 so you want quick load predictions for those bullets in the 24, 25, 26 and 27 GPC's ?? we won't have any actual data till the reamers get here on the 24,25 and 26. I will see if i have some data on the 110 ttsx in the 27 GPC View Quote |
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From AB: (2k@ means 2k fps impact velocity at given range)
Speed: BC: Cal Gr Imp.Vel@yds drop"/drift"@400yds 3203fps .159G7 .243 80 TTSX 2k@415yds -24"/16.92" 3286fps .146G7 .257 80 TTSX 2k@405yds -23.3"/18.1" 2923fps .181G7 .257 100 TTSX 2k@375yds -28.7"/16.5" 2916fps .175G7 .264 100 TTSX 2k@360yds -29.2"/17.2" 2819fps .172G7 .277 110 TTSX 2k@320yds -32"/18.5" As with all things .277, the 110TTSX is a disappointment. The .257 80TTSX is the flattest shooting, and still hits like a point blank 10mm at 415yds. The extra diameter would help it a bit in shorter barrels over the 243. The .257 100TTSX is the most accurate in wind. Assuming 30fps per inch loss, 18" would make 3100fps with .257 80gr. 2k impact velocity at 350yds. MPBR zero at 300yds out to 375yds with 8 inch vitals. I'm liking the modern quarterbore.. |
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Here is some 18” 25x6.8 data. Temps at 4 degrees so it will be faster in normal temps. A lot of the data was experimental but you can see when loads were figured out.
Not my data. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1Qr2nzNOTotZE5NUGU4ODdfV00/view I have a 25x68 barrel and dies, but haven’t gotten around to building it yet. |
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Maybe I missed it, but what are the expected velocities for the GPC 30?
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Maybe I missed it, but what are the expected velocities for the GPC 30? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261615/125_tnt_18_JPG-868046.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261615/125nbt_JPG-868049.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/261615/135smk_JPG-868050.jpg |
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